First cycle... need a few questions answered

[Tryan]

About myself:
25yo
173lbs
5'-9"
about 10-12% bodyfat

I am at the point I am wanting to start my first cycle as I have done everything natural for a few years. I am not looking to bulk huge and would like to be able to keep 180 after cycle. My biggest fears of a cycle are blowing up super fast and wanting to avoid any that could do a number on aggressive actions. After talking to a friend of mine he mentioned to stay away from ones like dboll as it would make me really puffy and blow up fast. His thought are

HGH daily
Deca and t3 every 3-4 days

Run in cycles of six weeks on 6 off. He thought I may b able to achieve what I want with just one cycle BC of my body type though.

I have done a ton of reading that I really may not need the t3 and may want to add a test of some kind in to boost gains. Guess I'm looking for a little advise. I want to gain but do not want to put shit loads of water weight on either.

Little help would b nice. As well, dosing advise would b sweet too.

Thanks all

 

[RADAR]

you don't need hgh at your age, all you need is lots of good food and some test.

 

[dylangemelli]

About myself:
25yo
173lbs
5'-9"
about 10-12% bodyfat

I am at the point I am wanting to start my first cycle as I have done everything natural for a few years. I am not looking to bulk huge and would like to be able to keep 180 after cycle. My biggest fears of a cycle are blowing up super fast and wanting to avoid any that could do a number on aggressive actions. After talking to a friend of mine he mentioned to stay away from ones like dboll as it would make me really puffy and blow up fast. His thought are

HGH daily
Deca and t3 every 3-4 days

Run in cycles of six weeks on 6 off. He thought I may b able to achieve what I want with just one cycle BC of my body type though.

I have done a ton of reading that I really may not need the t3 and may want to add a test of some kind in to boost gains. Guess I'm looking for a little advise. I want to gain but do not want to put shit loads of water weight on either.

Little help would b nice. As well, dosing advise would b sweet too.

Thanks all

i must say that every fucking thing your friend told you to do is just terrible advice... hgh at your age is completely unecessary... t3 is going to eat away at your muscle and deca is just a whole other ball game... deca is going to make you blow up too man... You do not need to take any of the things that you have listed... all 3 of them are just terrible choices... if you want to run a real cycle then run test with a kickstart...

 

[Krazie Apparel]

Ya or just man up and train harder and eat better and more. Ur only looking for 8 lbs. thats doable the natural way.

 

[C0LUMB0]

the guy that told you deca and T3 are a good combo is completely retarded and guilty of giving shit advice.

HGH will do nothing for you right now.

do plenty of reading here on EF , use the search buton and look at beginner/first time cycles.
you will see that a TEST only cycle is a good way to go and you should also learn why.

pct
hpta
hcg
serm
gyno
aromatose inhibitors
side effects and how to control them

^^^^^^^^^at a bare minimum you need to understand about these things ^^^^^^^^

after you have researched ,post up a proposed cycle including PCT and ancillaries.
ask questions on the forum or via PM.
Good bunch of fellas here in EF and they will help you if you put the effort in first...RADAR and Dylan are two of the most knowledgeable .

I cant tell you how important PCT is ...but IMO its nearly worse to do a bad pct than a bad cycle.
dont take anymore advice from your friend regarding AAS .

 

[anonymity]

i must say that every fucking thing your friend told you to do is just terrible advice... hgh at your age is completely unecessary... t3 is going to eat away at your muscle and deca is just a whole other ball game... deca is going to make you blow up too man... You do not need to take any of the things that you have listed... all 3 of them are just terrible choices... if you want to run a real cycle then run test with a kickstart...

Damn right.

 

[RADAR]

I have over 41 yrs expierence in the field so when i say something you can bet on it as gold, seen it all done it all ,i'll never steer you wrong, but your friemd in the gym needs his ass kicked good!

 

[stevesmi]

lol everything said above is true.. and your friend is a double moron cause he said to run deca for 6 weeks. tell him it takes deca 6 weeks to even build to peak levels in the body and then takes 6 weeks to clear your body.. so all you are doing is ramping it up and ramping it down nonstop. so you are staying on deca that whole time.. your progesterone levels are gonna go up and down as well but stay elevated above normal. progesterone is a FEMALE hormone.. and lets not even get into the estrogen problems.

T3 is very dangerous and for advanced bodybuilders with experience. dangerous not just for its sides but also the risk of harming your thyroid function even if temporarily. HGH you already have plenty of it at 25, you don't need to mess with it .. if you want to increase growth then do more compound lifts

if you just want the scale to go up 7 pounds and call it a day.. run dbol for 4 weeks. and be done with it.. boom goal reached.

if you want to get serious though and bodybuild for real why don't you get to 180 naturally as was stated then jump on steroids to take you to another level and cycle responsibly. do your own research and not listen to your 'friend' who doesn't know the difference between a half life and half time.

 

[bigbassturd]

8 pounds?

drink a n2bulk every day for a month, you'll gain that and then some.

 

[maccy]

Wtf... 8lbs is all u Wana gain?? Eat n train bro

 

[dylangemelli]

i'll give you the benefit of the doubt considering your only 5'9" that it is okay to run a cycle... i see no problem with that... for only 8 pounds you don't need a big extensive cycle... dbol would be fine but you could gain that amount of weight on helladrol as well... that would be a great option for you...

1-6 helladrol 75/75/75/100/100/125
1-6 n2guard
1-6 HCGenerate
1-10 need2slin
1-10 creatine nitrate
3-10 forma stanzol

PCT
7-10 clomid 25/25/25/25
7-10 Unleashed/post cycle combo
7-10 forma stanzol
7-10 daa powerchews or powder

 

[stevesmi]

i'll give you the benefit of the doubt considering your only 5'9" that it is okay to run a cycle... i see no problem with that... for only 8 pounds you don't need a big extensive cycle... dbol would be fine but you could gain that amount of weight on helladrol as well... that would be a great option for you...

1-6 helladrol 75/75/75/100/100/125
1-6 n2guard
1-6 HCGenerate
1-10 need2slin
1-10 creatine nitrate
3-10 forma stanzol

PCT
7-10 clomid 25/25/25/25
7-10 Unleashed/post cycle combo
7-10 forma stanzol
7-10 daa powerchews or powder

^^^ this.

and he can always swap out helladrol for epistane which is a gentler option for a newb

 

[RickRock13]

Helladrol would be a great choice for meeting your goal, is very mild on sides, and recovery will be smoother with less shutdown.

 

[Tryan]

First off, thanks to most ppl for their responses. This is why I asked the question here. Reading can only do so much. I will do a bit more research into things and post up a plan for a full cycle including pct, diet and workout schedule. Hopefully can do so tonight.

Thanks again

 

[nb01741]

IMO you should gain 8 pounds naturally and then start setting up a cycle to reach 190-195 lbs. Just run a simple 12 week Test E cycle with a strong PCT.

 

[Tryan]

Alright, so after going over things a bit more, I have come up with this... Let me know what you think.

actual measures as of yesteday:
5'-9"
172.5lbs
9.2% body fat

Training and eating like mad I have never broke 175lbs so im really hoping to be able to maint 180-185 after the cycle is all said and done.

Cycle:
1-6 Test E (still trying to figure out dose exactly.. suggestion?)
1-6 HCgenerate
1-10 need2slin
3-10 forma stanzol

PCT
7-10 clomid 25/25/25/25
7-10 Unleashed/post cycle combo


Will be using BSN NO xplode and cellmass as far as sups go for pre an post workout. Protien shakes 2-3x daily with additional glutamine and strong mult vit twice daily.

Figure my diet will be roughly
3000-3500 cal a day
300-350g protien
300-350g carbs

4-5 meals a day... depending on work sched

try to keep fat to a min. as my diet is now. No fruit or dairy will be in the diet as I am lactose sensitive and try to eat little to zero sugars.

I hope to be able to keep training 6 days a week through the entire cycle and pct


Hope this all looks good, but I am open to all suggestions. Thats why i'm here

 

[bigbassturd]

Test E for six weeks is a waste.

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[Get huge or die Mirin]

Research again on test e dosage. Unless you meant test p which isn't ideal for a first cycle due to the eod pinning.

 

[dylangemelli]

bro, test e isn't even going to really start kicking in until week 5... you need to run that for 12 weeks... the entire cycle is off and it seems like there are a lot of corners cut which is not wise when running a cycle... you never cut corners on it...