First Cycle Help Please!

[smann]

Hi, Im 24 yrs old, and have just started me first cycle 2 days ago: 45 mg tren ace. eod first 4 weeks; 60 mg eod last 4 weeks/ 25 mg winny ed/ 20 mg proviron ed/ 8 weeks
I didn't go to high on the dosing as it is my first cycle, but was wandering if this would get the job done? I am looking to shed bf while adding quality lean mass.

Questions:
-How long until everything starts working?
-Also, should I up my protein intake from 1 g per pound bw to more to compensate for accelerated growth? If so, should I start this immediately, or when everything starts working?
-What are the chances of developing gyno from prolactin? And what to do if this happens??

Any advice or suggestion would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

 

[DaBangEm]

It sounds like you just bought some stuff and did no research? You have no diet, no PCT set up and you already started and now you want advice? Mine. Stop immediately, fine tune your diet. Carbs, sugars, proteins, macros, calories.

What's your goal? What's the cycle length and when were you gonna start PCT? You have no emergency plan in case of gyno. Not trying to be a downer but this is exactly how and why guys get into trouble.

 

[conundrum]

It sounds like you just bought some stuff and did no research? You have no diet, no PCT set up and you already started and now you want advice? Mine. Stop immediately, fine tune your diet. Carbs, sugars, proteins, macros, calories.

What's your goal? What's the cycle length and when were you gonna start PCT? You have no emergency plan in case of gyno. Not trying to be a downer but this is exactly how and why guys get into trouble.

Well said....listen to this advice

 

[smann]

It sounds like you just bought some stuff and did no research? You have no diet, no PCT set up and you already started and now you want advice? Mine. Stop immediately, fine tune your diet. Carbs, sugars, proteins, macros, calories.

What's your goal? What's the cycle length and when were you gonna start PCT? You have no emergency plan in case of gyno. Not trying to be a downer but this is exactly how and why guys get into trouble.

Thanks for your response, I had my goals and cycle length on the original post. I have been researching this for a while now, but am not at all claiming to be any kind of expert, or anything even close. I have been reading the book Anabolics for a while now, and was planning on doing hcg, nolva, and clomid...starting day after last tren injection. My diet is very clean. Lean protein only, and only healthy fats and complex carbs. There seems to be theory after theory about tren gyno. I am staying at a low dose, 45 mg eod.

 

[EarthRider]

Problem with your cycle is your using lots of different things, so you won't know how your body reacts to any of it. If you have sides, it's a crap-shoot quess as to what is going on. I am sure more guys will chime in here, but I would listen to the second post.

 

[Arabian]

Balboa is dead on..... You need to add Test to this cycle. You are using Tren/Winny without Test and your going to be suffering some side effects like Balboa stated. IMO ,Your first cycle should be a Test/ Anavar cycle, which would cut and add lean mass as you want. Tren is one of the most powerful compounds out there and It is a MUST that you have all your PCT in order, before starting. Best of luck to you...go up top and read Nelson Montana's sticky on PCT. Its all you need to know and what you need to use to recover from your cycle.

 

[RADAR]

Heres my comment......"THAT CYCLE SUCKS" No way would i do TREN as a first cycle.not even for a 3rd cycle.

 

[Arabian]

Heres my comment......"THAT CYCLE SUCKS" No way would i do TREN as a first cycle.not even for a 3rd cycle.

I was trying to be nice.. lololol however Im with you. It needs to be Test/ Var or Dbol... classic stack for first time.

 

[RADAR]

I was trying to be nice.. lololol however Im with you. It needs to be Test/ Var or Dbol... classic stack for first time.

Yeah! he said he was being careful and doing a low dose ,so i'm being carefull and only lighting a 1/2 stick of dynamite

 

[Arabian]

Yeah! he said he was being careful and doing a low dose ,so i'm being carefull and only lighting a 1/2 stick of dynamite

lol, I hope he takes our advice. He just barely made your age requirements , or he would have had the wrath of GOD upon him from you. lolololol .......

 

[RADAR]

Balboa is dead on..... You need to add Test to this cycle. You are using Tren/Winny without Test and your going to be suffering some side effects like Balboa stated. IMO ,Your first cycle should be a Test/ Anavar cycle, which would cut and add lean mass as you want. Tren is one of the most powerful compounds out there and It is a MUST that you have all your PCT in order, before starting. Best of luck to you...go up top and read Nelson Montana's sticky on PCT. Its all you need to know and what you need to use to recover from your cycle.

He needs to stop that cycle all together,do more research. for a first timer all you need is test. Peroid.
I would like to know your training history?

 

[DaBangEm]

That's what I was getting at also. Not that you werent to the other vets posting up here bit his questions he is asking are what stood out the most to me. Those are questions that should have been asked during this extended period of "research" time he said he put in. Not after the cycle has started. By this point we should be hearing updates on how it's going but instead it's a piñata of shit slapped together.

 

[RADAR]

That's what I was getting at also. Not that you werent to the other vets posting up here bit his questions he is asking are what stood out the most to me. Those are questions that should have been asked during this extended period of "research" time he said he put in. Not after the cycle has started. By this point we should be hearing updates on how it's going but instead it's a piñata of shit slapped together.

I agree with everything you said 100% brother!

 

[smann]

I've done only two shots, is it safe to stop cold now?

 

[smann]

Thanks for the help too guys, I think I'm scared straight an wish I would've gone with test cyp now...damn I fucked up!

 

[smann]

Also, what would be a good dosing for test and var? And a safe cycle length for the first cycle. Also, The book I have recommends this for pst:
2500 iu hcg eod for 16 days; clomiphene citrate 50 mg twice a day for 30 days ; and tamoxifen citrate 20 mg Ed for 45 days...what do u guys think? All ur help is really appreciated! I'm kicking myself in the ass for not asking sooner and just going off the book!

 

[Arabian]

Also, what would be a good dosing for test and var? And a safe cycle length for the first cycle. Also, The book I have recommends this for pst:
2500 iu hcg eod for 16 days; clomiphene citrate 50 mg twice a day for 30 days ; and tamoxifen citrate 20 mg Ed for 45 days...what do u guys think? All ur help is really appreciated! I'm kicking myself in the ass for not asking sooner and just going off the book!

Smann, keep in mind that we are all here to help and assist you however we expect that the individual do there own research and we can help tweak doses and Pct etc: No one on here is mad at you , however we see this on a daily basis with people (newbies) doing the same thing. Remember : Steroids will not make you grow unless your diet and training are in check. As for your question. stop everything today. Then pick up some Test E and Anavar if you want to cut and add lean muscle mass. Do the following cycle

Week 1-12 Test E 350 to 400 per week divided into two shots ( Sunday and thursday or any two days you choose.

Week 1-6 30 to 50 mgs of Anavar every day.

You should also pick up some Hcgenerate and HCg during your cycle. Hcgenerate should be run 2 to 3 caps per day
The HCG should be done at 2500 mgs per week throughout your cycle

Then run a regular PCT after your cycle to retain your gains. Read Nelsons PCT sticky at the top for this. PCT IMO is a personal choice and everyone reacts different to this.

I want you to continue to read the board and learn all you can about the different compounds and there effects on the body and its composition, We have one of the most comprehensive search features on the net and you need to use it to research the Test E and Anavar cycle I just recommended to you.

Go to Need To Build Muscle Inc. for all your pct and Hcgenerate purchases.

 

[C0LUMB0]

Smann, keep in mind that we are all here to help and assist you however we expect that the individual do there own research and we can help tweak doses and Pct etc: No one on here is mad at you , however we see this on a daily basis with people (newbies) doing the same thing. Remember : Steroids will not make you grow unless your diet and training are in check. As for your question. stop everything today. Then pick up some Test E and Anavar if you want to cut and add lean muscle mass. Do the following cycle

Week 1-12 Test E 350 to 400 per week divided into two shots ( Sunday and thursday or any two days you choose.

Week 1-6 30 to 50 mgs of Anavar every day.

You should also pick up some Hcgenerate and HCg during your cycle. Hcgenerate should be run 2 to 3 caps per day
The HCG should be done at 2500 mgs per week throughout your cycle

Then run a regular PCT after your cycle to retain your gains. Read Nelsons PCT sticky at the top for this. PCT IMO is a personal choice and everyone reacts different to this.

I want you to continue to read the board and learn all you can about the different compounds and there effects on the body and its composition, We have one of the most comprehensive search features on the net and you need to use it to research the Test E and Anavar cycle I just recommended to you.

Go to Need To Build Muscle Inc. for all your pct and Hcgenerate purchases.

Great advice right there !!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[smann]

Smann, keep in mind that we are all here to help and assist you however we expect that the individual do there own research and we can help tweak doses and Pct etc: No one on here is mad at you , however we see this on a daily basis with people (newbies) doing the same thing. Remember : Steroids will not make you grow unless your diet and training are in check. As for your question. stop everything today. Then pick up some Test E and Anavar if you want to cut and add lean muscle mass. Do the following cycle

Week 1-12 Test E 350 to 400 per week divided into two shots ( Sunday and thursday or any two days you choose.

Week 1-6 30 to 50 mgs of Anavar every day.

You should also pick up some Hcgenerate and HCg during your cycle. Hcgenerate should be run 2 to 3 caps per day
The HCG should be done at 2500 mgs per week throughout your cycle

Then run a regular PCT after your cycle to retain your gains. Read Nelsons PCT sticky at the top for this. PCT IMO is a personal choice and everyone reacts different to this.

I want you to continue to read the board and learn all you can about the different compounds and there effects on the body and its composition, We have one of the most comprehensive search features on the net and you need to use it to research the Test E and Anavar cycle I just recommended to you.

Go to Need To Build Muscle Inc. for all your pct and Hcgenerate purchases.

Thanks again! Is nolva alone enough to get rid of gyno if it flares up? If so, at what doses and for how long? If not, what do I need?

 

[smann]

Smann, keep in mind that we are all here to help and assist you however we expect that the individual do there own research and we can help tweak doses and Pct etc: No one on here is mad at you , however we see this on a daily basis with people (newbies) doing the same thing. Remember : Steroids will not make you grow unless your diet and training are in check. As for your question. stop everything today. Then pick up some Test E and Anavar if you want to cut and add lean muscle mass. Do the following cycle

Week 1-12 Test E 350 to 400 per week divided into two shots ( Sunday and thursday or any two days you choose.

Week 1-6 30 to 50 mgs of Anavar every day.

You should also pick up some Hcgenerate and HCg during your cycle. Hcgenerate should be run 2 to 3 caps per day
The HCG should be done at 2500 mgs per week throughout your cycle

Then run a regular PCT after your cycle to retain your gains. Read Nelsons PCT sticky at the top for this. PCT IMO is a personal choice and everyone reacts different to this.

I want you to continue to read the board and learn all you can about the different compounds and there effects on the body and its composition, We have one of the most comprehensive search features on the net and you need to use it to research the Test E and Anavar cycle I just recommended to you.

Go to Need To Build Muscle Inc. for all your pct and Hcgenerate purchases.

Also, I've been reading that a lot of people use anavar towards the end of their cycle to dry up some water retention. What are your thoughts on this? Is hcg really necessary throughout the whole cycle instead of just pct? If so why? And please help on what to do I gyno becomes an issue...I've read so many theories..sorry for all the questions, I'm reading so many different things! Thnx again!

 

[RADAR]

Also, I've been reading that a lot of people use anavar towards the end of their cycle to dry up some water retention. What are your thoughts on this? Is hcg really necessary throughout the whole cycle instead of just pct? If so why? And please help on what to do I gyno becomes an issue...I've read so many theories..sorry for all the questions, I'm reading so many different things! Thnx again!

Yes you can stop now without any problems, store the tren in a drawer away from heat it will be good for several years, no one is mad at you ,but we do sometimes get fustrated seeing a terrible cycle started. Anavar will harden you up but it will not combat bloat, compounds like Arimidex,aromasin,forma stanazol will handle that quite well.
as far as a cycle just test for starters,you will be really pleased with it, that was my first real cycle.