First Cycle Back, have a few questions

[PSU12]

So this is my first cycle in a while and just wanted to ask you guys a few questions.

My cycle is going to be as follows.
wks 1-10 - Test Prop 400/wk
wks 1-14 - Deca 300+/wk (still deciding)
wks 1-14 - Nolva 20/day

My question is, is the deca at the right dosage a week seeing that im looking to gain around 20lbs this cycle; and do you think its a good idea to run the nolva 20/day for the whole cycle or just wait to week 10 and start running the nolva at 50/day? I'm only planning on nolva for pct this cycle. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
PSU

 

[sweed]

how long has it been since you last cycled??
Do not run nolva with deca, it could induce gyno.

 

[eClenbuterol]

So this is my first cycle in a while and just wanted to ask you guys a few questions.

My cycle is going to be as follows.
wks 1-10 - Test Prop 400/wk
wks 1-14 - Deca 300+/wk (still deciding)
wks 1-14 - Nolva 20/day

My question is, is the deca at the right dosage a week seeing that im looking to gain around 20lbs this cycle; and do you think its a good idea to run the nolva 20/day for the whole cycle or just wait to week 10 and start running the nolva at 50/day? I'm only planning on nolva for pct this cycle. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
PSU

You're not running an AI with your cycle, that's a sure way to get gyno (bitch tits) and high blood pressure.

Revise:
My cycle is going to be as follows.
wks 1-12 - Test Prop 400/wk
wks 1-12 - Deca 300+/wk
wks 1-12 - arimidex 1mg/day

For PCT, you can run clomid/nolvadex and reduced dosage of arimidex.

 

[PSU12]

Thanks for answering, it has been about 16 months since my last cycle

 

[PSU12]

You're not running an AI with your cycle, that's a sure way to get gyno (bitch tits) and high blood pressure.

Revise:
My cycle is going to be as follows.
wks 1-12 - Test Prop 400/wk
wks 1-12 - Deca 300+/wk
wks 1-12 - arimidex 1mg/day

For PCT, you can run clomid/nolvadex and reduced dosage of arimidex.

So running an AI with this cycle is a must? and what should i reduce the Arimidex to when i start either clomid/nolva for pct?

Thanks,
PSU

 

[Ezekiel]

So running an AI with this cycle is a must? and what should i reduce the Arimidex to when i start either clomid/nolva for pct?

Thanks,
PSU

Yes it's a must... It's like guns & condoms! Better to have one and not need it then to need one and not have it!

You don't need 1.mg of adex every day though. .5 eod will be fine imo. That's all I've ever run. SAme amount for PCT as well.

You really should take alook at the PCT thread. The sticky will lay it all out for you..


Blessings,

 

[PSU12]

Sorry for the third post, but I was under the impression that Arimidex and Nolva could be used in place of each other because the ultimately do the same thing, just Arimidex is stronger because it completely blocks any estrogen being produced and nolva just kinda "stops/prevents" it? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
PSU

 

[Ezekiel]

Sorry for the third post, but I was under the impression that Arimidex and Nolva could be used in place of each other because the ultimately do the same thing, just Arimidex is stronger because it completely blocks any estrogen being produced and nolva just kinda "stops/prevents" it? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
PSU

not sure what your question is here?

They are similar indeed. Adex is better yes.

Nolv. and Deca together are a no no, as it can actually cause gyno.

Does that help?

 

[PSU12]

Yes that was what i was trying to get at just to clarify it for myself.
Thanks guys. Should i replace the novla with clomid for pct then?

 

[PSU12]

Ok so here is what i am planning now after some rethinking.
wks 1-12 Test P 400/wk
wks 1-14 Deca 400/wk
wks 1-14 Arimidex 1/eod (so 3 times a week, most likely 1mg MWF)
wk 15 nolva 50/day
wk 16 nolva 40/day
wk 17 nolva 20/day

How does this look and should i switch the nolva to clomid, or is the nolva fine for pct since i am not running it throughout the whole cycle anymore at 20/day.

Thanks,
PSU

 

[PSU12]

bump

 

[Ezekiel]

Ok so here is what i am planning now after some rethinking.
wks 1-12 Test P 400/wk
wks 1-14 Deca 400/wk
wks 1-14 Arimidex 1/eod (so 3 times a week, most likely 1mg MWF)
wk 15 nolva 50/day
wk 16 nolva 40/day
wk 17 nolva 20/day

How does this look and should i switch the nolva to clomid, or is the nolva fine for pct since i am not running it throughout the whole cycle anymore at 20/day.

Thanks,
PSU

Some would argue that Nolv shouldn't be used at all if you use Deca. NOt even for PCT

Take a look at the PCT forum. THe sticky will outline everything you should do.

I am currantly on PCT righ tnow that look slike this: (keep in mind I wasn't on Deca)

Started one wk after last shot of test.

Wk. one
1000 /mg HCG Every day for the 1st 5 days
20 mg/ Nolv. Every day
.5 mg Adex EOD
TRS stack from Primordial Performance

Wk 2-4
10 mg/ Nolv. Every day
.5 mg Adex EOD
TRS stack from Primordial Performance

 

[PSU12]

Thanks for getting back to me, I cant really find anything about nolva and deca but if you suggest running clomid instead i will do that. Im have pregnyl on hand from my last cycle 16 months ago so i will add that. I wasnt aware of not running nolva with deca at all, so thanks for that.

thanks,
psu

Some would argue that Nolv shouldn't be used at all if you use Deca. NOt even for PCT

Take a look at the PCT forum. THe sticky will outline everything you should do.

I am currantly on PCT righ tnow that look slike this: (keep in mind I wasn't on Deca)

Started one wk after last shot of test.

Wk. one
1000 /mg HCG Every day for the 1st 5 days
20 mg/ Nolv. Every day
.5 mg Adex EOD
TRS stack from Primordial Performance

Wk 2-4
10 mg/ Nolv. Every day
.5 mg Adex EOD
TRS stack from Primordial Performance

 

[sweed]

ya, dont run nolva with the deca.

 

[Ezekiel]

Thanks for getting back to me, I cant really find anything about nolva and deca but if you suggest running clomid instead i will do that. Im have pregnyl on hand from my last cycle 16 months ago so i will add that. I wasnt aware of not running nolva with deca at all, so thanks for that.

thanks,
psu

Read This:

Good Luck

 

[PSU12]

Thanks for the help guys, i just have one more question i think, so since im not running nolva i will be running clomid, my last cycle i ran clomid starting two weeks after last injection day, (i ended with deca) and i ran it as follows

wks 1-4 50/day
wks 4-6 25/day

My question is when should i start running clomid because i will be ending week 10 with Test prop, and continuing Deca to week 14, so should i start two weeks after my last injection of Deca or immediately after Deca because my last Test inject would have been a month prior.

Thanks again and i apologize for all the questions, first cycle back in a while.

PSU

 

[Ezekiel]

Thanks for the help guys, i just have one more question i think, so since im not running nolva i will be running clomid, my last cycle i ran clomid starting two weeks after last injection day, (i ended with deca) and i ran it as follows

wks 1-4 50/day
wks 4-6 25/day

My question is when should i start running clomid because i will be ending week 10 with Test prop, and continuing Deca to week 14, so should i start two weeks after my last injection of Deca or immediately after Deca because my last Test inject would have been a month prior.

Thanks again and i apologize for all the questions, first cycle back in a while.

PSU

lol...

You should always run Test longer then the Deca.

ie. drop the deca at week 10 and run the test till wk 14.

read the post on the link I provided before and it will tell you everything you just asked me bro..

Blessings,

 

[PSU12]

lol...

You should always run Test longer then the Deca.

ie. drop the deca at week 10 and run the test till wk 14.

read the post on the link I provided before and it will tell you everything you just asked me bro..

Blessings,

I was under the impression that it doesnt matter if i ended with deca or test, but i do know that its somtimes harder to come off with ending deca later, so thats why i really want to get my pct correct cause i was planning on ending with deca. Im kinda curious on why i should run Test longer than Deca. And what if i just decided to run both together for a solid 10 weeks, would that be a smarter move, ending both at week 10 and then starting pct a week or two later?

Thanks again for all your help.

PSU

 

[PSU12]

I also thought that you should always try to run Deca for a min of 12 weeks, again thanks for all your help guys.

PSU

 

[Ezekiel]

I was under the impression that it doesnt matter if i ended with deca or test, but i do know that its somtimes harder to come off with ending deca later, so thats why i really want to get my pct correct cause i was planning on ending with deca. Im kinda curious on why i should run Test longer than Deca. And what if i just decided to run both together for a solid 10 weeks, would that be a smarter move, ending both at week 10 and then starting pct a week or two later?

Thanks again for all your help.

PSU

Look. you're going to do what ever you want. But, i don't think you'll find anyone on here that thnks you should run deca longer then test.

If you don't believe me then do some research. You have all the answers you need. You can either heed the advice or do whatever your bros in the gym say.

 

[PSU12]

No i understand what your saying but i was just asking some questions of what i thought in the past, you seem to know what your talking about and im going to take your advice, i just like to learn along the way if im unsure of something. When i first started doin my research with my first cycle a few years ago i found vaious pieces of information stating you should run deca for a min of 12 weeks to get the best gains, granted that could be just different peoples opinion. Sorry if i have been bothering you, so thanks for your help.

thanks again,
PSU

 

[Ezekiel]

No i understand what your saying but i was just asking some questions of what i thought in the past, you seem to know what your talking about and im going to take your advice, i just like to learn along the way if im unsure of something. When i first started doin my research with my first cycle a few years ago i found vaious pieces of information stating you should run deca for a min of 12 weeks to get the best gains, granted that could be just different peoples opinion. Sorry if i have been bothering you, so thanks for your help.

thanks again,
PSU

It's not a bother bro..

if you run the deca for 12 weeks then you need to run the test for 14.. That's a long cycle. Certainly not unheard of, but longer none the less.

I would stick w/ the deca for 10 and the test for 12 7 days after last shot start PCT.