first cycle advice(d-bol/anavar)

[togi]

Ok here are my stats I`m 5.11" 156lbs 11.5% bf
I`m 25 and I`ve been working out for 2.5 years (5-6 days a week).
Ok here are my goals,
I want to increase my strength and wanna put some lbm.(aiming around 7-8lbs), I want keepable gains and absolutaley no water retention.
Here is the plan,
I`ll go with 40mg ed Anavar between 1-8 weeks.
I`ll also take 25mg ed D-bol between week 1-4.
In order to stop water retention from d-bol I`ll take .5mg eod arimidex.
I`ll take clomid after the cycle
Even doses aren`t high , in order to stay at the safe side.
I`ll take ALA and milk thristle to protect my liver. (as far I`m taking 2 orals, let me know what you think about sides, especially on the liver)
How does my cycle look guys? I would appreciate any suggestions.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

First off, you are 5'11" and you weigh 156, I think you need to get your diet in order before you start your cycle. How many cals are you eating a day ? How much protein ? Second, Why all oral cycle ? Are you scared of needles ?

M18

 

[IronFist]

Second, Why all oral cycle ? Are you scared of needles ?

M18

Took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[Lao Tzu]

if your eyes or skin turn yellowish you are fucking up your liver.

are you afraid of injections? if so, why not try a long acting nandrolone, enanthate or sustenon.

um, i don't know if im alone in thinking this, but if you don't want to inject, then just inject about 3cc of enanthate 20 days before the cycle ends. that way your body will pyramid down and the gains should be more permanent.

it's been SAID (emphasis on said. the underground steroid world is filled with old wives tales & social stigma mislabed as science) that a cycle consisting only of orals will cause you to lose most of your gains.

1 injection of enanthate should help your body readjust. 3-4cc 21 days before the cycle ends.

if you are willing to inject, and you want 8 lbs. try a 2 week cycle fo propionate, tren & dianabol.

 

[togi]

Thanks for the reply Mustang,
I`m eating very clean around 1-1.5g of protein for each body pound again between 2500-3500kcal depending on my workout intensity. I`ve been following this diet for last 2 years.
I do cardio at least 3 days a week in order to keep my metabolism up and my bf low. Yeap I know what kinda picture you got in mind when you heard 156lbs but actualy I`m not that skinny.(around15.5" arms,52" shoulder, 31" waist)
Hehe I`m not afraid of needles. But I don`t wanna shoot Test in my fist cycle(wanna keep it on my hand as a trump card for my later cycles). The other option was EQ , first I thought to go with EQ 400mg/week. I`m still not 100% but leaning towards Dbol.
Let me know what you think.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

I would get in at least 4000 cals a day if your goal is to put on mass. Why not replace the Anavar with some Testosterone to go along with the D-Bol. With a good diet and training routine you can put on some good mass with that cycle.

M18

 

[togi]

I`ll definately increase my calorie intake when I`m on gear.
Around 4000kcal is what I had in mind.

 

[togi]

Yeah I`m sure with Test the results will be more dramatic. But on the other hand , as far as it`s my first cycle I guess I could benefit from milder AS(like Ox).

 

[togi]

I`ll bump for more comments.

 

[Trevdog]

Well I wouldn't avoid test, but if you want to, deca and dbol or eq and dbol are both great stacks.

Deca and eq are high anabolic / low androgenic steroids. Dbol is androgenic and also seems to work in mysterious ways that other steriods do not. You'll have to ask somebody else to expand on these "non AR mediated pathways" or whatever they are called.

The late Dan Duchaine said something like "If you won't grow on deca and dbol, you won't grow on anything no matter how fancy".

 

[MadCow1]

How did you arrive at a 52" shoulder measurement? What are you measuring, wingspan?

I wear a 48-50" coat (and much bigger if it's Brooks Brothers or one of those real narrow cuts). At 5'11" and 155 I just can't figure our where you have that tape measure.

 

[MadCow1]

Incidentally - if you go with the cycle - taper the dbol down from 25mg to at least 10mg ED and preferably even 5mg EOD.

The "wives tale" metioned above about losing your gains from an all oral cycle is such bullshit - who thinks this shit up anyway? Worse - who knows so little as to lend it any credence or even go so far as to give it in adivce to someone else.

 

[mlomker]

Anavar has very little impact on your liver. In my opinion you can safely take Anavar along with anything. dbol/anavar would work just fine.

Opinions differ greatly about pyramiding schemes...I've heard it every possible way and nobody agrees on anything. You could run that dbol for 6 weeks if you wanted. Running the Anavar a couple weeks past the dbol is a good idea. .25 is probably enough on the arimidex.

 

[fishstick]

i'm currently 2 weeks into a similar cycle: 30mg ED anavar/15mg ED dbol. strength is up, gained 7 pounds thus far, with just a little fat (pants a tad bit tighter). also taking proviron to keep down the bloat and control the estrogen from the dbol. i'll do the dbol for 4 weeks, then taper, then the var for 6 weeks and then taper.

so far, i'm happy with this mild cycle. only sides have been a couple of minor breakouts (not acne) and the dbol doze for the first week. other than that, no probs and no bloat.

i guess i'll see first hand about keeping gains with just orals, also, i'll be tapering rather than using clomid.

anyway, good luck togi, take your liver supps, and i would definitely recommend some before/after labs, that way, you really know what's going on.

and finally, not to bust your balls, but i remember what i looked like as a teenager weighing 156 at 6' tall. if those are accurate measurements for your upper body, i have to assume you aren't carrying much weight in your legs. are you doing squats and dead lifts? if not, you should be. you don't want to look light a lightbulb!

later.

 

[togi]

Thanks guys for all the help.
I made a poll in order to give the final shape to my cycle.

Fishstick,
I`m really glad that your going in front of me, keep me updated.
And you have a good point , my legs are not huge. It`s not that I`m not training them hard(squats leg presses) its genetic . Huh by the way I wish I was a teenager , I`m 25 and on my way to 26..