First Cycle - 10,000mg Primo on hand

[websy21]

Got on hand thus far...
5 - 10cc bottles 200mg/ml Primo = 10, 000mg
3 - 100/10mg Anavar = 3000mg

I've researched the crap out of this but haven't got the exact asnswer I'm looking for. Mostly everyone says to add Test. I know that there are some out there that have had great results with these though. My plan was 800mg-1g a week for 10-12 and 60mg Var for 1-8. It seems that people find it mild when alone which poses the larger dose. I know I may have Libido problems but can't that be avoided with HCG?

I'm 25, just under 6' and 210lb about 10% BF. Been lifting fairly hard the last 5-6 years on and off. I've always wanted to run a cycle but knew it was wise to wait it out. I want to make sure I have it right and everything on hand before I start too.

Not sure exactly what all my source can supply yet since this will be my virgin run. I've done that M1T crap a good half dozen times with a solid 10lb to keep each time over the years. I don't have to get into the sides of that shit, you all know LOL I got one 4 week cycle left but I think that it will be in the garbage soon since thats exactly what it is if you ask me! Lately I've been pointed in the direction of running 400-600mg/weekly primo with 200-250mg Test E/weekly. I was certain I'd never do a 'Test' cycle and wanted something safe, hence the Primo/Var. I know nothing is perfect and have to give somewhere though. Can I just retrofit my Primo/Var with appropriate PCT? Is it 'that' necessary to add the test. Seems like some newbs have seen some solid gains off of both low dosages of primo/test.

I was certian of my cycle but now the more I research I kept getting pulled in different directions. All help is much appreciated guys, after all most of you have the first hand experience. Just keep in mind, I'm not out for 30 lbs. Especially water weight associated with the sides and higher risks of gyno, etc. I want to get leaned out with some acceptable gains. I'd love a good 10-15 slab to my frame, I wouldn't complain about 20lb too much either LOL. After all, lean looks mean! I neither want to be on the gear year round. Maybe a cycle a year and go on maintenance thereafter. I eat as clean as it gets and train hard, most importantly smart! All opinions much appreciated, within reason of course LOL Thx again!!!!

Webs

 

[future]

Just use that. Sound, clean and simple. Gains should be lasting if done correctly.

 

[thebigoz]

Primo/Var are typically targeted at cutting cycles. They are great at adding the hard/dry muscle appearance that so many people want. For putting on muscle mass, I would run with Test.

I also wouldn't run Test with Primo/Var for a first cycle. Running 3 compounds for a first cycle is not a good idea. Too many foreign compounds that you aren't used to. It would be hell determining the cause of sides and would mess your cycle.

I would recommend running Test (Maybe with Primo OR Var...) if you are aiming to add 10-15lbs of relatively lean mass. You could save the Primo/Var to cut back down.

If you want to add a few lbs and/or maintain your body weight while dropping some BF%, then run the Primo/Var alone.

 

[websy21]

Just use that. Sound, clean and simple. Gains should be lasting if done correctly.

Awesome, that was the answer I was looking for. Thx bud, one more question. What should I run for PCT? My friend said his buddys that ran this gear never had libido problems, not saying I won't but do you think I should be ok without HCG? Or run 500iu a week for the last 8? I've heard NOT to run Nolva for PCT but this I don't understand why? It blocks E while letting the LH rebound. I'm more stock on the secondary drugs and PCT than anyting!

Thx again!

 

[thebigoz]

Running Nolva can result in estrogen rebound. In other words, you can get the estrogen related sides AFTER the cycle.

I would run PP's TRS/Unleashed/Post-Cycle for your PCT.

Also, HCG should be used for any cycle that is suppresive.

 

[websy21]

Primo/Var are typically targeted at cutting cycles. They are great at adding the hard/dry muscle appearance that so many people want. For putting on muscle mass, I would run with Test.

I also wouldn't run Test with Primo/Var for a first cycle. Running 3 compounds for a first cycle is not a good idea. Too many foreign compounds that you aren't used to. It would be hell determining the cause of sides and would mess your cycle.

I would recommend running Test (Maybe with Primo OR Var...) if you are aiming to add 10-15lbs of relatively lean mass. You could save the Primo/Var to cut back down.

If you want to add a few lbs and/or maintain your body weight while dropping some BF%, then run the Primo/Var alone.

I completely understand and agree with everything you stated but.... I've read of many having great gains of a sold 10-12 lbs lean mass for newbs. I'm not a monster and don't want to be one. I wouldn't have bought the primo if so, EQ and test for sure imo. If I added test I'd definately save the Var for a rainy day. I'd just rather formulate a cycle with what I got, to lean out rock hard and add some quality gains running 800-1g. I'd eat super clean and lots of protein like a horse. I got an unreal price on this stuff and not afraid to buy more if its what the Primo lovers say it is. Just not excited for the pinning is all LOL No pain no gain!!!!

 

[thebigoz]

A Primo/Var cycle will give you some solid gains and keep you lean, if you train/diet correctly.

I would say you can add a few lbs or maintain your weight while dropping your BF%. In other words, you would be adding roughly 10lbs or thereabouts of LBM.

 

[websy21]

Running Nolva can result in estrogen rebound. In other words, you can get the estrogen related sides AFTER the cycle.

I would run PP's TRS/Unleashed/Post-Cycle for your PCT.

Also, HCG should be used for any cycle that is suppresive.

Informative, thx again. That leads me to another question than, I thought that HCG was suppose to be used in conjunction with nolva. Ceize HCG usage right before administering nolva PCT. I'm shocked at this but glad that I haven't bought the nolva yet. So I take it that small doses should be had throughtout the cycle instead of the norm large dosages at the end.

 

[sonicwaste]

Testosterone is pretty safe my bro.

What's the max time you want to go on?

I'd run 12 weeks of primo at 600mg/wk.
Run the var at 50-60mg/day for as long as you got it.

You could throw in some test, if you want, but no necessary. You could run 350-400mg test along side.

HCG would be a good idea to run during cycle. But it can cause gyno, so whenever running HCG have an AI on hand. You won't need much with primo/var/HCG... If you add in the test, you may need a hair bigger dose... Just depends on how sensitive you are.

If you're training and diet are right, you could gain 12-15lbs over 12 weeks if you are lean bulking. You could possibly gain 10lbs while dropping down to 8% if going for cut... Maybe you could even get down to 6%.

PCT- HCG-arimidex/aromasin-post cycle-sustain-unleashed is a start. Add in forged post cycle if you need it. Or you can just run a SERM afterwards, but I;m not a fan of that protocol any more.

 

[Unit 2005]

Primo/Var are typically targeted at cutting cycles. They are great at adding the hard/dry muscle appearance that so many people want. For putting on muscle mass, I would run with Test.

I also wouldn't run Test with Primo/Var for a first cycle. Running 3 compounds for a first cycle is not a good idea. Too many foreign compounds that you aren't used to. It would be hell determining the cause of sides and would mess your cycle.

I would recommend running Test (Maybe with Primo OR Var...) if you are aiming to add 10-15lbs of relatively lean mass. You could save the Primo/Var to cut back down.

If you want to add a few lbs and/or maintain your body weight while dropping some BF%, then run the Primo/Var alone.

Good advice!

 

[iron_matt-CB]

Ya if it were me i would lower the dose of primo to about 600mgs a week, run that an a small dose of test, maybe 300-400 mgs for 14 weeks not 12.. The var u could run for 8

 

[websy21]

Testosterone is pretty safe my bro.

What's the max time you want to go on?

I'd run 12 weeks of primo at 600mg/wk.
Run the var at 50-60mg/day for as long as you got it.

You could throw in some test, if you want, but no necessary. You could run 350-400mg test along side.

HCG would be a good idea to run during cycle. But it can cause gyno, so whenever running HCG have an AI on hand. You won't need much with primo/var/HCG... If you add in the test, you may need a hair bigger dose... Just depends on how sensitive you are.

If you're training and diet are right, you could gain 12-15lbs over 12 weeks if you are lean bulking. You could possibly gain 10lbs while dropping down to 8% if going for cut... Maybe you could even get down to 6%.

PCT- HCG-arimidex/aromasin-post cycle-sustain-unleashed is a start. Add in forged post cycle if you need it. Or you can just run a SERM afterwards, but I;m not a fan of that protocol any more.

Advice just keeps getting better and better, you guys rock!

Ya, I planned on atleast a 12 week cycle. Buddy is gonna run along side me with 600mg/week but I thought of uping it to atleast 800mg and maybe 1g.... I'm still leaning towards leaving test out for my first cycle atlest but its just seems to be calling my name, maybe lol

I think what I'm really after, this will give me. I want to be able to maintain my gains via diet, hard training and natural supplementation instead of having to continually cycle on and off. I'm not competing here, just love the iron!

So no serm, thats cool with me. I can get some arimadex no prob. So how much HCG? 5000iu enough at 500iu a week? I should also run this post cycle too? As well as arimadex ? It seems like a serm is so much easier than all of these LOL but I want to do it right and will do what it takes! I want to be 100% sure on the dosages of each and exactly when to run em Sorry if I'm beating an old horse to death but it seems like the PCT is slightly different with this cycle compared to an average test, etc, etc. Thx again guys

 

[timtim]

1st cycle doesnt need to be a gram, i dont care how light the gear is. youd get the same results with 50mg var and 500mg primo a week. no need to go crazy.

 

[websy21]

1st cycle doesnt need to be a gram, i dont care how light the gear is. youd get the same results with 50mg var and 500mg primo a week. no need to go crazy.

LMAO that sounded funny but I know you didn't intend that, great point tho. I agree with ya now after thinking about it more.

 

[timtim]

LMAO that sounded funny but I know you didn't intend that, great point tho. I agree with ya now after thinking about it more.

you know, youre right. that was funny but with no intention. good pick up.

 

[thebigoz]

I would highly suggest you read the 'Official PCT of 2009' thread'

It will answer you PCT questions.

In short though - run HCG on cycle and not during PCT. HCG itself is suppressive, so you want to run it only when you need it. If you run it during cycle, you won't need it during PCT.

 

[sonicwaste]

I would highly suggest you read the 'Official PCT of 2009' thread'

It will answer you PCT questions.

In short though - run HCG on cycle and not during PCT. HCG itself is suppressive, so you want to run it only when you need it. If you run it during cycle, you won't need it during PCT.

There are many different protocols for running HCG... If you do it from the beginning of the cycle, start out with 250iu/week. If that is not enough, you will know it... Then up the dose to 500iu/week. No need to take more than you need.

If you start HCG administration after you've atrophied already... 500iu e5d for 3 shots... Then 250iu-500iu/wk as needed.

Sometimes you do need HCG during the initial phase of your PCT, even if you've run it throughout the cycle. I typically run it during the first week to 10 days, sometimes 2 weeks into PCT. Then drop it.

I am also interested in HMG, as it not only stimulates LH, but FSH also. I am still researching this, but the benefits over HCG look potentially promising.

500-600mg primo is definitely enough for your first cycle bro. Absolutely no need to go over that... You could even run it for 15-16 weeks at that dose. You could spilt your cycle in 2, lean bulk then cut... Or cut, rebounding in to a lean bulk. 8 weeks of each.

I've become a fan of longer cycles these days. The extra time allows your body to get used to the new LBM that you've gained. Plus you gain a little more over 16 weeks than you would over 10-12, of course.

I'll take the longer recovery time and less cycles per year, over multiple short cycles with shorter recovery time, more frequently.

I may be alone in that regard, but it works much better for me in the scheme of things. It has always helped me hold on to everything I've gained.

 

[websy21]

I would highly suggest you read the 'Official PCT of 2009' thread'

It will answer you PCT questions.

In short though - run HCG on cycle and not during PCT. HCG itself is suppressive, so you want to run it only when you need it. If you run it during cycle, you won't need it during PCT.

Thx for the link, I will definately read that! In short that makes sense to me and will shoot for that!

 

[websy21]

There are many different protocols for running HCG... If you do it from the beginning of the cycle, start out with 250iu/week. If that is not enough, you will know it... Then up the dose to 500iu/week. No need to take more than you need.

If you start HCG administration after you've atrophied already... 500iu e5d for 3 shots... Then 250iu-500iu/wk as needed.

Sometimes you do need HCG during the initial phase of your PCT, even if you've run it throughout the cycle. I typically run it during the first week to 10 days, sometimes 2 weeks into PCT. Then drop it.

I am also interested in HMG, as it not only stimulates LH, but FSH also. I am still researching this, but the benefits over HCG look potentially promising.

500-600mg primo is definitely enough for your first cycle bro. Absolutely no need to go over that... You could even run it for 15-16 weeks at that dose. You could spilt your cycle in 2, lean bulk then cut... Or cut, rebounding in to a lean bulk. 8 weeks of each.

I've become a fan of longer cycles these days. The extra time allows your body to get used to the new LBM that you've gained. Plus you gain a little more over 16 weeks than you would over 10-12, of course.

I'll take the longer recovery time and less cycles per year, over multiple short cycles with shorter recovery time, more frequently.

I may be alone in that regard, but it works much better for me in the scheme of things. It has always helped me hold on to everything I've gained.

Thank you so much for taking the time to lay it all out for me like that. I am so glad I joined this site, I've learned more in 2 days than 2 months of research! LOL I think I will start out with 600mg/week for sure. I got enough to run that for 16 weeks and from what I have read about Primo I don't think it worries me one lil bit to run it that long, especially at that dosage.

I also love your idea of splitting up the cycle, 8weeks/8weeks, lean bulk/cut of visa versa. The only problem I might see with that is Primo takes about 6 weeks to really kick in not? Maybe cut first than lean bulk thereafter is a good idea. In saying that, should I run the var the first 8 weeks or the last than? Its almost tempting to add some test but I think that this should give me a nice solid virgin baseline run. Than I can go from there...

I think I got a pretty good idea of the rest of my gear I need to order, other than PP's TRS. They don't have it available for two months yet? Is that correct? Any other sponsors to get that? Prolly not hey? I'd hate to start my cycle without having it staring at me but shouldn't be a prob having it in time I suppose.

 

[Nelson Montana]

10,000 mgs of PRIMO?

Will you be my friend?

 

[websy21]

10,000 mgs of PRIMO?

Will you be my friend?

I was trying to be but you never aswered my pm regarding my cycle LOL

I just really wanted your input because I've read allot of your threads on Primo, your love for it and most importantly your experience with it

So, redemption...... just kidding, I understand. You probably had 100 of them from overnight. If you'd like to comment on my original post/thread, please do!

 

[Nelson Montana]

I was trying to be but you never aswered my pm regarding my cycle LOL

I just really wanted your input because I've read allot of your threads on Primo, your love for it and most importantly your experience with it

So, redemption...... just kidding, I understand. You probably had 100 of them from overnight. If you'd like to comment on my original post/thread, please do!

I get tons of pm's and your was kinda long, and honestly, a little scattered.

For a first run, 250 mgs of T and 400 mgs of Primo is plenty. If you want to use var, results will be subpar but you'll see some change. You need PCT no matter what you use, but you shouldn;t need an anti e on cycle with those compounds.

 

[websy21]

I get tons of pm's and your was kinda long, and honestly, a little scattered.

For a first run, 250 mgs of T and 400 mgs of Primo is plenty. If you want to use var, results will be subpar but you'll see some change. You need PCT no matter what you use, but you shouldn;t need an anti e on cycle with those compounds.

Hey man no sweat, I tend to ramble on but thx for your input tho.

I've really been putting it through my head to pin once every 4 days, 150 Test E and 300 Primo. This equates to 300T/600P every week and carrying that through for 14 weeks. I was thinking of leaving out the Var and seeing how that reacted. If need be run it the last 6 weeks or just possibly save it for next cycle. Or do you really think I should just keep the Primo at 400?

Do you think this will be too much for a first cycle? I've been able to cope with several M1T cycles without too extreme of sides. I actually never even ran AI PCT with it and kept most of it with natural supps, diet and hard work.

 

[websy21]

I get tons of pm's and your was kinda long, and honestly, a little scattered.

For a first run, 250 mgs of T and 400 mgs of Primo is plenty. If you want to use var, results will be subpar but you'll see some change. You need PCT no matter what you use, but you shouldn;t need an anti e on cycle with those compounds.

So with further thought I think I agree on the 250T but what about 500P? How long could I run this without worries, is 16 weeks too long? Thats what I was planning on doing with these lower dosages.

So no Adex on cycle needed, with a PCT of TRS/Post Cycle/Unleashed. Also, start with 250iu HCG every 4 days as well right.

I think I'm just about set on my mind..... finally! LOL

 

[79steeler]

I get tons of pm's and your was kinda long, and honestly, a little scattered.

For a first run, 250 mgs of T and 400 mgs of Primo is plenty. If you want to use var, results will be subpar but you'll see some change. You need PCT no matter what you use, but you shouldn;t need an anti e on cycle with those compounds.

This is good advice for what you are trying to achieve. If you want to up your dose of primo to 600 go ahead, but a gram is totally overkill for what you want to achieve and a waste of expensive gear.

Run the Var at 50mg/day for the last six weeks.

I would run this:

1-16 test e 250mg/week
1-14 Primo 600mg/week
8-14 Var 50mgs/day

Read the pct. sticky for your pct.

Bro Primo will still shut down your natty production of T, so that's why you should have some in there.

As far as an anti E have some on hand, but with the low dose of test and the primo, which will keep estrogen down anyway you should be fine.

Start a cycle log in the appropriate section so we can watch your progress and help you along. Post diet and workouts accordingly.

 

[websy21]

This is good advice for what you are trying to achieve. If you want to up your dose of primo to 600 go ahead, but a gram is totally overkill for what you want to achieve and a waste of expensive gear.

Run the Var at 50mg/day for the last six weeks.

I would run this:

1-16 test e 250mg/week
1-14 Primo 600mg/week
8-14 Var 50mgs/day

Read the pct. sticky for your pct.

Bro Primo will still shut down your natty production of T, so that's why you should have some in there.

As far as an anti E have some on hand, but with the low dose of test and the primo, which will keep estrogen down anyway you should be fine.

Start a cycle log in the appropriate section so we can watch your progress and help you along. Post diet and workouts accordingly.

Thanks allot bud, this made up my mind. Gonna run the above exactly, might lower Primo to 500/week. I've read over that PCT sticky a few times, I think I got it covered.

I will definately monitor results as always but now I know where to go for great feedback!

Thanks allot guys