Finally, here is my complete setup for 2nd cycle. comments plz

[satyricon1]

I have trained for 20 years on and off. Aged 35. Currently weighing in at 225 pounds, 6'3 in height. Previous cycle was Trenbolone Ace at 75mg/eod for 8 weeks, with hcg and clomid for pct. Significant mass and strenght gains that I have kept, this was back in 2004.

I have been doing a HST program for the last 5 years, I have had great progression over the years, just sticking to diciplined diet and natural supps. In january I started going about 500kcal in negative to lose bodyweight, i was closing in at 280 pounds at the time. I have the last couple of months been focusing on leangains, by following a 8/16 eating plan, as explained here: Intermittent fasting diet for fat loss, muscle gain and health.

My upcoming cycle looks like this:
1-4 Dianabol 20mg/ed
1-10 testo cyp 500mg/wk
6-11 winstrol 100mg ed
11-12 winstrol 50mg ed

12-14 500iu hcg ed
13-14 40mg nolva ed
14-16 20mg nolva ed.

Most likely will I use Aromasin 20mg eod during the cycle, in addition to 250ui HCG e3d. I also have Arimidex on hand.

My goal is to gain as much mass as I can, but try to limit the bloat and estrogen sides. I will increase my workout load to 6 times pr week, doing a 2 split hst program. I will increase my kcal significantly, but I will still eat in a 8/16 system.

My current BF is around 16%, my goal for june 1st is to weigh in at about 230 pounds with about 11% bodyfat.

I am basicly writing all of this down to get some last minute input from you guys on this cycle. Because i reside in the EU, everything that has to do with mrsupps is unavailable to me, therefore I have to stick to the PCT regime of the past.

Please give constructive criticism or advice as you see fit, most appreciated!!

Satyricon#1

 

[satyricon1]

As I have not received any comments on this setup, i take it that it looks ok.

Looking forward to start this cycle, feeling my impatience tells me to start like right now.. hehe.

Thanks guys. =9

 

[hesnobradpitt]

I would stick with one or the other with you hcg .... Bang at the end before pct or during not both , I carnt run winni that high it kills my knees elbows but people can .

Pct for my liking is not enough with just nolva / hcg .

Good luck mate

Brad.

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Also I'd use adex over assassin in that cycle .


Brad.

 

[moya]

the dbol and winny only have a week apart, and that is a pretty hefty ammount of winny...
i would like to see a little more time in between the two orals... and im pretty sure it would be ok to let the winny run out a little longer while the cyp clears your system...
otherwise looks good...

 

[satyricon1]

Thanks for the feedback guys! I have Aromasin and Arimidex as well. I was thinking about running the Aromasin from week 3, eod, for about 2 weeks. Then continue again when the PCT starts. I could cut the dbol down to 3 weeks and push the winny 1 weak ahead. I am using liver protection at high dosages during the entire cycle. I was concidering frontloading the test-cyp at 1g on first injection, not sure if it is of any benefit, have seen both cons and pros.

Reason why I was thinking about running HCG throughout the cycle from week 3 or so, was to prevent my nuts from shrinking to peas. =D

 

[satyricon1]

Oh.. since my winny dosage is pretty steep, maybe i need the estrogen to prevent joint pains??? Whats your thoughts?

 

[Stocks_and_Steroids]

Or maybe, 200mg of Deca to help with joints. In theory they say it does. It didnt help me. But I love Deca for strength and size anyway

 

[thelocal]

i sau run tren again but add masteron..fuck winny

 

[satyricon1]

My plan was to run tren, test, winny, dbol, but after some thinking and consulting, i cancelled the plan. Maybe next time =D

 

[satyricon1]

Im gonna stick to this cycle for now, what i wondered about was simply to not use aromasin/adex during cycle to allow high estrogen levels to prevent joint pain from 100mg winstrol ed later on.

 

[jcb_phlps]

I dont know if I would run the Exemestan at the high of a dosage it might kill all your esto and hinder gains and dry you out. I would start off at like 12.5mg Eod and bump up as needed. Since you have both anastrozole and exemestane on hand I would run the A-dex on cycle and the Aromasin for Pct. And maybe try to get clomid instead of nolva for pct as well. Good luck man.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I think the whole thing is a disaster. 100 mgs of winny ED will kill your tendons and liver. There's no need for it.

You have no cycle support. Check out N2GUARD.

Don't the like the PCT. Nolva is garbage IMO.

I also believe that fasting is terribly unhealthy.

Sorry.

 

[satyricon1]

Being in europe, we dont have the benefit of the supplements that you guys do over in the US. So we have to stick to the old news. I have some very good liver support products, and I am very understanding of the 100mg ed Winny argument, i have never done it before, but I am currently 235 pounds, or 106.5kg with a bf of about 15%. So im thinking that im a heavy guy, may not be as hard on me as on a lighter guy. I assume I will notice pretty quickly if my joints are killing me and then just reduce dosages, or maybe drop it to 75mg, or maybe even stick to 50mg all along, without any experience with the stuff, its hard to say.

 

[chesty]

When I used winny that high years ago, I felt like I always had a low grade fever, and I ended up with some small amounts of blood in my urine. I won't run it that high again. Currently I am at 210mg/week max. I am also running hcg at 250/iu x2/week. My balls don't ache, etc. 500 iu/ed? That seems high to me.

 

[satyricon1]

Thanks for your feedback, your experience is my security! =)

 

[Deltoid_87]

I hate winny too. I don't know why people still use it, it's garbage.

 

[satyricon1]

Garbage? Elaborate please...

 

[Deltoid_87]

It makes u feel like shit. The results are mild, the side effects are harsh... Especially at doses of 100mg. Shit run Masteron at 100mg ed. u'll be glad u did

 

[C.K.]

I gained 20 lbs on a winny only cycle 100 mgs a day I felt like crap the whole cycle though tired all day achey micro tears in both my elbow tendons and my shoulders would pop and creak all day it hurt to brush my teeth lol and zero appetite I will never use it again mast is soooooooooooo smooooooooooooooooth though

 

[satyricon1]

Im concidering downing the dosage to 75mg ed or even 50mg ed for the duration. If I notice severe join pains, i will definately get my hands on some NPP to try to fix it as well as lowering the dosage. So you guys think I should run hcg at 250iu x 2 a week during my cycle? 0.25mg arimidex eod? And do this from day 1 while starting on the dbol?