Final Cycle

[JKurz1]

1-4 dbol 20-40mg
1-16 test 400-500mg (Sust/t400)
6-16 eq 500mg (will build into cutting stage)
14-18 winny 25-50mg ed
16-18 test prop 100mg eod

wk 6 hcg 500mg m,w,f

pct:
wk 1-2 500mg m, w,f
wk 1-4 50mg clomid ed and 20mg nolved

anyone know how I should incorporate 6-oxo, tribex and macka into my pct?
how about milk thistle? and liver tabs? With the dbol?

 

[SuperDawgy]

The cycle looks good. I'd run the Thistle at 1000mg ed throughout. I've read mixed reviews on Tribex, so i decided to go with Tribestan or Trib Fuel extreme myself (both are standardized to >20% protodioscin). On either, go with 3 tabs 3-4x a day. Not sure on the 6-oxo or Maca.

 

[bike]

I have reed a lot about HCG, and i come to that conclusion that you never use HCG clomid/nolva at the same time.You shoud be finish with the HCG minimum 3 days before Clomid/Nolva terapy start.If not you wont totaly recover,HCG can mimic the same as AAS.And you are risking that you have to do another pct if you not doing it the right way...GOOD Luck to you bro.

Otherwise the cycle is fine

 

[macdaddy-1]

I have reed a lot about HCG, and i come to that conclusion that you never use HCG clomid/nolva at the same time.You shoud be finish with the HCG minimum 3 days before Clomid/Nolva terapy start.If not you wont totaly recover,HCG can mimic the same as AAS.And you are risking that you have to do another pct if you not doing it the right way...GOOD Luck to you bro.

Otherwise the cycle is fine

i think you might need to do a little more research into HCG mate. (no offence)

 

[bike]

I say no more,reed this and say its all wrong way to do it??

Testosterone production is a chain reaction where the hypothalamus produces gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GRH) which signals the pituitary to produce luteinizing hormone (LH) which signals the testes to produce testosterone.

After about 3 weeks of AAS use (at body building dosages) this entire system is shut down. During recovery, the hypothalamus recovers first, then the pituitary, and finally the testes. Basically it takes about 3 weeks for the pituitary to recover and produce the normal amount of LH. If the testes have atrophied, they can take another 3-4 weeks to recover after LH levels have returned.

HCG can mimic LH and stimulate the testes to produce testosterone, but it will suppress the hypothalamus and pituitary just the same as AAS. So there are two proper uses of HCG:

During cycle to keep the testes from atrophying in the first place

or

The last 2 or three weeks that AAS are in your system, to recover testicular function in preparation for clomid/nolvadex to recover the hypothalamus/pituitary.

 

[JKurz1]

so Ill use it during wk 6-7 only???

 

[bike]

I will recomend week 6-7 -11-12 and 17-18. Or you might consider do 250iu-500iu twise a week from week 6 and all the way.

 

[JKurz1]

Here's an edit I got.....too much crap???
or do u like better?

1-4 dbol 20-40mg40mg ED will yield desired results, any less (20mg) will be a complete waste.



1-16 test 400-500mg (Sust/t400)Test week 1-17 (by then, once you stop the test, EQ and test will clear system at the same time (test 2 weeks)


6-16 eq 500mg (will build into cutting stage)EQ takes 3 weeks to leave your system---Also start it with the test since week 1, there is no logic to go from week 6 is there?? So EQ week 1-16 at 500mg

14-18 winny 25-50mg ed50 mg ED is the recommended dose, and go week 15-19 RIGHT into PCT

16-18 test prop 100mg eodI think the prop can be ommitted here, but if you still decide to go at it, week 15-19 is the correct time.

wk 6 hcg 500mg m,w,fHCG is meassured in ius and not mgs!!!! 500ius e4ds is sufficient, up 48 hours before PCT

pct:
wk 1-2 500mg m, w,fSpecify what this is, I don't like guessing games, specially for PCT!!

wk 1-4 50mg clomid ed and 20mg nolvedPCT starts on week 19 (48hours after your last winstrol or pop or HCG shot) week 19-21 nolva 60mg ed, clomid 100mg ed week 19-21----nolva week 21-23 at 40mg, clomid week 21-23 50mg.

Run 10mg ed of nolva to be on the safe side against gyno.
Don't worry about liver pills (B52) you are not intaking anyhwere near what is considered heavy enough dosages.
Trib and macka can be run during cycle safely as well 6-oxo can be ommitted

 

[JKurz1]

Would I see beter results if I went 8 weeks on bulking hard, took 8 weeks off, and then 8 weeks hard cut? WOuld I have to run 2 pcts?

 

[Judo Tom]

didnt you have a thread talking about your liver?

didnt you have a thread about keeping cycles simple?

im just a firm believer in those too principles (safety/simplicity)

i wouldnt 'stack' the orals like that.. im not saying its not effective but i wouldnt do it.. even though its 10 weeks apart.. if your on a cycle and by week 14 you are not as cut as you want winny is not going to help much.. diet and training will

i would also plan on a longer pct than just 4 weeks.. in my experience a longer cycle takes ME around 6 weeks to recover regardless of what protocol i use.


i just dont see a big difference between a stack like that and a stack like this
1-16 test 500mg
1-16 eq 500mg
16-18 prop
18-24 nolva

and if you want 1-4 dbol .... but i prefer to 'frontload' with the test

again i think the cycles you have outlined above are all very solid and probably 'more effective' then what i just posted..

 

[JKurz1]

ok.........so this is my final go......I want to make it a little shorter.........

I'm going to use up the 2 full boxes of androderm patch up until my cycle on Feb 1.....cool?

1-4 30 mgs of d-bol
1-10 500 mgs of test
1-12 EQ to 400 mgs per week
10-12 winny 50 mgs
10-12 test prop EOD

wk 6 500 mgs of HCG. M-W-F

6-oxo, start 2 weeks after last injection at 6 caps per day. 3 caps upon awakening and 3 caps 1 hour before bedtime.
5 grams of tribulus
5 grams of maca.
milk thistle, take between 1.2 to 2 grams a day during your whole cycle

 

[JKurz1]

430 20 min hiit elliptical
530 1/2 cup oats, pc of toast w/ /2 can tuna (approx), scoop of whey

830 1/2 cup oats, 1/2 tub cottage cheese, half a banana, 1 cup egg whites

11:30 6oz of beef/6oz yam, large salad, steamed veggies

230 (pre)
1/2 cup oats, scoop whey, 1/2 can tuna on pc of toast, 1/2 tub cottage cheese

train

530 pw shake - dext/whey (maybe switch to oats or a myoplex)

830 - 4-5 handfulls of nuts, 1/2 tub cottage cheese, large casein shake
8:35 crash..........
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[JKurz1]

So is this good to go? Wanted to make sure everything was in line..........sweet and simple.

 

[patsfan1379]

I have reed a lot about HCG, and i come to that conclusion that you never use HCG clomid/nolva at the same time.You shoud be finish with the HCG minimum 3 days before Clomid/Nolva terapy start.If not you wont totaly recover,HCG can mimic the same as AAS.And you are risking that you have to do another pct if you not doing it the right way...GOOD Luck to you bro.

Otherwise the cycle is fine

Another seemingly much more popular opinion. The dosages you would use post cycle arent enough to significantly affect your nuts. Running HCG throught the cycle will.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=330386

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327882

 

[slat1]

I like the cycle and diet. You obviously put the appropriate amount of time into planning it. Nice job!!!

 

[JKurz1]

Thanks to all..............think I should use the myoplex I have (like 3 boxes) as my PW shake to get the calories up???

 

[JKurz1]

ok.........so this is my final go......I want to make it a little shorter.........

I'm going to use up the 2 full boxes of androderm patch up until my cycle on Feb 1.....cool?

1-4 30 mgs of d-bol
1-10 500 mgs of test
1-12 EQ to 400 mgs per week
10-12 winny 50 mgs
10-12 test prop EOD

wk 6 500 mgs of HCG. M-W-F
Nolva and clomid for 5 weeks, 20mg and 50mg respectively
6-oxo, start 2 weeks after last injection at 6 caps per day. 3 caps upon awakening and 3 caps 1 hour before bedtime.
5 grams of tribulus
5 grams of maca.
milk thistle, take between 1.2 to 2 grams a day during your whole cycle

Got it all in line and sitting in the drawer.....Feb.1 this is it...thanks for the help....last note, anyone think my cals are too light for someone 6'2, 185 and about 8-9%bf????