Fina for first cycle??

[stub]

Well, this is my first post.

I've read (and used the search button) quite a bit over the last several weeks and decided it was time to stop lurking. I've tried to read all the posts for Newbs that I could find and I've really learned a lot so far.

One question that I've not seen an answer to is why someone should not do fina/winny followed by clomid for a first cycle? Is it that the potential sides are just more difficult to deal with?

btw I've laughed my ass off over some of these threads... seems like mostly a good group here at Elite!

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[Bar Room Hero]

Most people don't reccomend fina for a first cycle because the injections are very frequent (every day or every other day). If you get someone to educate you on injections and you are comfortable doing frequent pokings, it's one of the best drugs you can use.

 

[CJsnipe]

totally wrong you need to run winny with fina, if you do not want to get gyno. fina does not convert to estorgen but to progesteren, which will cause gyno at the extreme for some people anyways, winny counteracts the progesterone sides assotied with fina and it would be a very wise choice to add to it . from experence.. take it as you will

 

[HappyScrappy]

totally wrong you need to run winny with fina, if you do not want to get gyno. fina does not convert to estorgen but to progesteren, which will cause gyno at the extreme for some people anyways, winny counteracts the progesterone sides assotied with fina and it would be a very wise choice to add to it . from experence.. take it as you will

do a search

while we all thought this was true - it isn't.

the gods have spoken - winny doesn't matter when doing it

 

[milkbone]

Ditto. There was a thread about a guy that was using Fina/Winny/Armi too I think. He was still getting nip issues. I think RU-486 is the only counter to the PR gyno issue personally. I tried finasol for 1 week and had to bail because of the nip issues. I'll try again with RU-486. Some also recommended Vitex (OTC supplement), but it did not have any noticeable effect on decreasing my nip issues. Just for kicks and to prove it to myself, I did another 75 sprays one morning and popped some Nolvadex and took the vitex in heavy dosage and was still getting nip sensitivity the same day. Thus proving to myself that nothing will help me except RU-486. I'm afraid to do Winny because of the bad hair reports and for that matter I don't think it will help me. Anyway, can't wait to finish this stuff without the PR sides. I was up 14 pounds in 1 week. This was my first AAS experience, allbeit a short-lived one, with 4 straight years of natural training behind me.

 

[smokinghawk]

Vitex in high doses might be the problem. I've read that it's not a "more is better" drug, but can actually make things worse when it's overdosed.

 

[Behemoth]

fina demands that you run test

test helps with the sides of fina....especially agression and lack of sex drive.....

 

[genarr3]

Ditto. There was a thread about a guy that was using Fina/Winny/Armi too I think. He was still getting nip issues. I think RU-486 is the only counter to the PR gyno issue personally. I tried finasol for 1 week and had to bail because of the nip issues. I'll try again with RU-486. Some also recommended Vitex (OTC supplement), but it did not have any noticeable effect on decreasing my nip issues. Just for kicks and to prove it to myself, I did another 75 sprays one morning and popped some Nolvadex and took the vitex in heavy dosage and was still getting nip sensitivity the same day. Thus proving to myself that nothing will help me except RU-486. I'm afraid to do Winny because of the bad hair reports and for that matter I don't think it will help me. Anyway, can't wait to finish this stuff without the PR sides. I was up 14 pounds in 1 week. This was my first AAS experience, allbeit a short-lived one, with 4 straight years of natural training behind me.

This is in question also. I read a thread on Tredia posted by IP in which he says RU486 doesn't work for this purpose.