fina/deca and progesterone gyno

[brama]

fina increases I

IGF-1 is a know requirement for growth of breast tissue and that's how and why Nolvadex was invented, so I don't see a need to write any more on a well known mechanism.

Now, growth still requires activation of MORE than one receptor, ie, E and I, or P, E, and I.

You can stop the gyno symptoms from just about anything with something that blocks E or I.
Nolvadex does both and Arimidex works on I induced symptoms as well as E induced symptoms.

There really are no practical P blockers and/or something would have been invented, but since Nolvadex or arimidex stops all the problems in research, there really isn't a need to explore an P mediated.

These are direct words of a well known, and respected person.
I happen to believe this, but just a tidbit for anyone who hasn't had the chance to ponder this.

 

[panerai]

What "I" stands for?
Insulin?

 

[Zyglamail]

He was refering to IGF-1. The E in the post stands for estrogen and the P for progesterone. While the post and the source have a lot of merit I am still looking for info saying that more than one element needs to be present.

I dug up abstracts and posted them earlier today in regards to the power of tren to raise IGF-1 as well as abstracts showing IGF-1 can cause gyno. I have not really been able to find a direct correlation to needing multiple elements however.

 

[panerai]

It's not that simple as author of the idea presented it. Yes, gyno can be caused by activation of ER, by activation of PR, in many cases both need to be activated, or one activated and another one being not occupied by antagonist, also there's number of unknown factors that cause gyno (unknown even for scientists) and other known factors, like Prolactin, for example.
It's almost firmly established that high level of IGF-1 is nessecery for ER gyno, but it's not a fact(may be because of lack of research) for PR, and other factors.
IMO, which is my opinion, and might be completely off, in as many cases when activation or availability of both ER and PR is nessecery for gyno, there're as many cases when it's not.

 

[Zyglamail]

Well, there definatly isnt anything cut and dry, not to easy finding a bunch of people willing to be guinea pigs and sign up for gyno I guess. It all started due to tren causing gyno.

 

[panerai]

It all started due to tren causing gyno.

I don't know about that. "Da Big Thinker" said that tren doesn't cause gyno.

 

[Zyglamail]

I don't know about that. "Da Big Thinker" said that tren doesn't cause gyno.

I added more to that thread, abstracts included showing the possible increase in IGF-1 by tren as well as one pointing out high IGF-1 level can cause gyno.

He stated he did not think it did, but there are people on this board who have done fina or fina/winny ONLY and HAVE gotten gyno. Im not trying to specifically point anything out as wrong, just shed light for all of us on what can and can not cause gyno by doing a bit of reading

 

[panerai]

Yes, he also stated that looking at Tren molecule from 3D and PR, it's obvious that "key" doesn't fit the "lock"
Excuse me, but if I've got the balls to make such a statement, I would surely have all the evidence(pictures, studies, whatever..) to back it up...because that's a lot of big words to say...

 

[da big thinker]

Yes, he also stated that looking at Tren molecule from 3D and PR, it's obvious that "key" doesn't fit the "lock"
Excuse me, but if I've got the balls to make such a statement, I would surely have all the evidence(pictures, studies, whatever..) to back it up...because that's a lot of big words to say...

yes i do have the balls panerai...now sit back and relax...reserach is presently being done and in addition,just like Zyg...i'm trying to get answers...if your "opinions" work for you then great...they don't work for me...i feel everything is set in stone w/ you...causes fina dick,causes gyno,etc...blahblahblah...i'm just not happy w/ you parrotting what a few other members just constantly repeat.just sit back and enjoy the ride...much to your dismay...you MIGHT actually learn something NEW...

 

[brama]

WHOA

I didn't intend to start a gigantic debate, I merely posted as a point to review.I really trust the source of the info and really would like to hear more on this if anyone can go further.
This is definitely not the prepackaged "run of the mill" suggestion.
I take it it would also apply to deca/ Progesterone .