fighting estrogenic fat

[Andre9]

What is the concensus here for long term usage of anti-e and anti-aromatase regarding the reduction of estrogenic fat? I tried yohimburn but didn't see any difference. probably because I'm a heavy case. Even at 8-9% BF I have alot of chest fat and belly fat. I was never ripped in my life no matter what.

I though of using 1 mg of Arimidex ED for 3 months to see what would happen. Would Nolvadex be good too?

Thank you!


Andre

 

[Andre9]

bump

someone's got to have an opinion

 

[notatrase]

Bro, long-term nolvadex therapy is your best bet. It is the only anti-estrogen proven (by university studies) to resolve gyno.
I would go with long-term tamoxifene coupled with andractim.

 

[Lift Chief]

I agree- try 20mg of nolva over a few months.

 

[Golfer18--old]

This is Hucks cutting cycle.


Summer is approaching us.Now more than ever we're thinking of shedding those unwanted lipid accumulations,as it's getting to be beach weather,and the shirts will be coming off.I thought this might serve as a little motivation for those of you getting ready to take that cutting plunge,and possibly might encourage some of you to run my little experiment as well....

Hey guys,just wanted to share my results of a cutting stack I have been running that is centered around A2/estrogen suppression.I recently completed a pretty high-dose run of test/eq/d-bol,and while I put some serious size on with this trio,I made a cardinal mistake-My estrogen management program was piss-poor(I used nolvadex only).Not only did I bloat up like a hot air baloon,but I accumulated a shit-load of estrogenically related fat-patterning all around my waist,lower chest and hip area.
After clomid therapy,I decide to wage war on my A2's/estrogen.I started running 1/4 cc(1mg) daily of liquidex religiously,which had an immediate impact on my bloating and hardened my muscles up nearly overnight.But those stubborn fat pockets were holding on for dear life-HARD CORE DIET TIME.
Three + weeks ago,I started running a Norephedrine/Yohimbine HCL/Caffeine(NYC) stack in conjunction with my liquidex,and the results have been nothing short of astounding.I have been running a keto-type diet with very low carb intake,as well as 1 hour of intense cardio every morning on an empty stomach(except for 2 tabs of NYC taken 45 minutes prior to cardio).

Results?17LBS LOST!!

Granted,I know that this is not all fat,but I have lost damn near 2 inches off my waist and only a 1/4" off my arms,and strength has pretty much stayed stagnant.

Observations-When I first started taking my NYC,I tried taking two caps at once,and this was a little to strong to begin with for me(as each cap has a whopping 2.7mgs of Yohimbine HCL).I started getting the chills from the yohimbine and feeling a little nauseated,so I backed it down to one tab and I was fine.I also noticed if I did not drink enough water with administration,I would experience some stomach irritation,mainly in the form of acid reflux.This was easily extinguished by drinking a FULL glass of water with each dosage.After a week of so,I was able to tolerate 2 tabs at once,and boy it has made a difference.During my cardio,my body heats up like a furnace,and I can literally feel the adipose tissue melting off with each session.My schedule right now is two tabs first thing in the morning upon wakening prior to cardio,two tabs 4 hours later,and 1 tab 3-1/2 hours later.I find that I take the last cap too late into the afternoon,I feel too amped in the evening(my heart rate feels sped up)so I usually cut the last tab off by no later than 2p.m.

Just wanted to share my experience with you guys on what I feel is one of the best post-cycle combinations I have ever tried for ripping up,the liquidex has kept my estrogen production down and hardened my muscles up considerably(through removal of sub-Q water retention and estrogenic fat-patterning),the NYC trio is one of the most potent thermogens for an OTC I have ever used,as well as a potent A2 interactor(due to the high dose of Yohimbine) This combo may be a very wise idea for you folks that accumulate a lot of estrogen related BF in your bulking cycles,as it has taken it off for me in dramatic fashion.

 

[Big Mac Attack]

I have a friend who has been on 1 mg ADEX/day for a year and its really helped him alot. He dosent take any AAS either. The changes showed up after 6 months. you should have your E levels checked every 3 months to see where your at.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

when using yohimburn many find that the addition of NYC or EC greatly amplifies the effect.

it cannot hurt to use an aromatase inhibitor as well as a non aromatic steroid.. like anavar or winstrol.

 

[40butpumpin]

I have a friend who has been on 1 mg ADEX/day for a year and its really helped him alot. He dosent take any AAS either. The changes showed up after 6 months. you should have your E levels checked every 3 months to see where your at.

IMO 1mg is overkill. Do you know if he's been checking his cholesterol? I'd be curious to know what happened to his cholesterol after a year at 1mg ed.

 

[Big Mac Attack]

He does check his cholesterol with every blood test and it is at about the same level as it was before. I dont know the units but his esterone level is around 28-30 where before it was around 90. He started with .5 mg EOD and worked his way up to 1 mg ED. The whole process has taken over a year and a half. He isnt a kid, he is 34 and educated and has the money and patience to do it right. I will get the exact numbers if you like.

 

[40butpumpin]

He does check his cholesterol with every blood test and it is at about the same level as it was before. I dont know the units but his esterone level is around 28-30 where before it was around 90. He started with .5 mg EOD and worked his way up to 1 mg ED. The whole process has taken over a year and a half. He isnt a kid, he is 34 and educated and has the money and patience to do it right. I will get the exact numbers if you like.

If he's kept a record of his cholesterol numbers during the time he's been on arimidex I would very much be interested in seeing them.

 

[Big Mac Attack]

Give me a couple of days and i'll get them.

 

[40butpumpin]

Cool bro, thanks.

 

[bunkka]

Dumb question maybe, here..... But, is Liquidex the same thing as Nolvadex?

"My guy" has Nolvadex, I'm not sure about liquidex, if not.

Very interesting!

What about running this with Enanthate for a cycle?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Liquidex=anastrozole(aromitase inhibitor).Prevents the creation of Estrogen.

Nolvadex=Tamoxiphen Citrate(Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator).Blocks already formed Estrogen in circulation from binding to selective tissues.

 

[nikolai_bolkov]

Yeah, liquid arimidex.

 

[bunkka]

What's the concensus of which is better?

And... with the nolvadex, what is the daily dose? 1 20 mg pill/day?

 

[bmit]

arimidex is MUCH better

 

[hitmeoff]

I think Nolva is the way to go bro.

Taking Arim for extended periods of time just does not sound like it would be healthy for the heart. Nolva actually imporves lipid profiles, so its use is actually healthy.

 

[rj420]

well

the best option here would be to run the arimidex for the start of it and then run nolvadex along side it for an extended time frame to help with lipid profiles and "possible" gyno reduction. It can also be taken post anastrozole or letrozole therapy to regulate any "rebound" effect that may occur.

 

[notatrase]

back to the basics:
nolvadex and andractim have both BEEN PROVEN effective treatments for existing gyno. You can go by speculation if you like, but I think I'd take the proven method.

 

[Andre9]

Thanks alot guys!

This is what I think I will do:

Use Nolva and Arimidex at the same time for a month, then go alone with Arimidex. I want to kill the estrogen right from the start.


Andre