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Fed Races to Rescue Bear Stearns

For those of you who wonder why the deal went for $2.00, let me explain…

Bear was worth nothing, absolutely NADA!!! The reason that the Fed and treasury went in was due to the legal implications to the entire world banking system and markets had Bear entered into bankruptcy court.

Of little explained or known consequence to many were the implications of a bankruptcy filing on the various securitized trusts Bear and it’s minor child, EMC Mortgage, were servicing and securitizing. Bear had double and triple pledged notes to various trusts.

Cash flows from EMC’s business model were not allowing excess cash to cover the investor advances of principal and interest that were necessary to keep the securitizations alive. Has there been a bankruptcy filing, Bear’s Books and it’s dealings with ALL it’s partners and counterparites and those it serviced and sold mortgages to, would have publicly opened up their books for inspection.

There would have been an attack on the “true sale” issue and some would have claimed that these assets were financed receivables, and not true sales, and as such they should rightfully come back on Bear’s balance sheet to be split up amongst creditors!

This would have wrought panic across financial markets since it could have been the death knell of the MBS/ABS markets and would have collapsed the world financial system.

This is the real story that needs to be properly investigated and told. ENRON was a carbon copy of what Bear and others were doing. They created digits out of paper [promissory notes and created a new financial market with little regulation or oversight.
 
bicep_vien said:
For those of you who wonder why the deal went for $2.00, let me explain…

Bear was worth nothing, absolutely NADA!!! The reason that the Fed and treasury went in was due to the legal implications to the entire world banking system and markets had Bear entered into bankruptcy court.

Of little explained or known consequence to many were the implications of a bankruptcy filing on the various securitized trusts Bear and it’s minor child, EMC Mortgage, were servicing and securitizing. Bear had double and triple pledged notes to various trusts.

Cash flows from EMC’s business model were not allowing excess cash to cover the investor advances of principal and interest that were necessary to keep the securitizations alive. Has there been a bankruptcy filing, Bear’s Books and it’s dealings with ALL it’s partners and counterparites and those it serviced and sold mortgages to, would have publicly opened up their books for inspection.

There would have been an attack on the “true sale” issue and some would have claimed that these assets were financed receivables, and not true sales, and as such they should rightfully come back on Bear’s balance sheet to be split up amongst creditors!

This would have wrought panic across financial markets since it could have been the death knell of the MBS/ABS markets and would have collapsed the world financial system.

This is the real story that needs to be properly investigated and told. ENRON was a carbon copy of what Bear and others were doing. They created digits out of paper [promissory notes and created a new financial market with little regulation or oversight.

Do you think BS was the escape goat?
All the other banks sold their garbage to them and they accepted it and knew exactly what was going on. They cooked the books long enough to make big ceo payouts. Then when they could fool no one anylonger they went under just like enron?
Makes sense if your a BS and to take pay offs to dispose of other people junk hedge funds and wortheless paper. You save the other banks the govt writes off 30 billion in debt and all the ceo's from every bank is happy

after it all blows over will the top execs from BS find themselves sitting in cushy jobs with the other banks who hired them as repayment for dumping their junk
 
Dial_tone said:
I'm thinking Goldman Sachs. They have 300 partners that share equity.


They will be lit for 3bill

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I knew it so well. I played it like a player this week

Sunday night the Asian market tanked, the us market followed shortly to go down (not too bad) and 10 yr treas. went through the roof bringing 30 yr mortgage rates down! I called it sunday night. Rates dropped and went back up today big time.


it was almost too easy to call :)

gold will hit 1600. Calling it right now.
 
So the fed drops a 75 pt basis point cut today
lehman and GS reports good earnings and everyone is happy now?

bullshit..its a temp fix. lehman and GS is still going to plummet IMHO
all this has come from subprime mortgage credit problems. Considering mortgage rates are due to treasuries someone tell me how a basis point cut on the prime can, in any way, help stop the bleeding
 
Wulfgar said:
So the fed drops a 75 pt basis point cut today
lehman and GS reports good earnings and everyone is happy now?

bullshit..its a temp fix. lehman and GS is still going to plummet IMHO
all this has come from subprime mortgage credit problems. Considering mortgage rates are due to treasuries someone tell me how a basis point cut on the prime can, in any way, help stop the bleeding
It doesnt, but the general public thinks it does.

Really the only thing that can drag us into a recession is consumer spending. Lower rates on credit cards, auto loans, along with a "stimulus package," the Fed's master plan is that this will get people to spend more money.

I read somewhere that even if 60% of people spend their $600, that will life the GDP a full 1%.
 
One of my clients husband works for bear...still has his job but will most likely lose it by the end of the week. Now I dont know much about it, but she told me that JP Morgan made a cut throat deal and wanted to get the deal done asap because there was no other bank that could fund the money during the weekend hours like JPM could.
Bicep vein said the rest.

I feel bad some of these people lost thousands to millions and were banking on that as there retirement......now what are those people that are in thier late 50's/60's going to do. Imagine having all this money you expect to retire with in a few years that you worked your ass of all of a sudden gone......thats some fucked up shit
 
seaking420 said:
One of my clients husband works for bear...still has his job but will most likely lose it by the end of the week. Now I dont know much about it, but she told me that JP Morgan made a cut throat deal and wanted to get the deal done asap because there was no other bank that could fund the money during the weekend hours like JPM could.
Bicep vein said the rest.

I feel bad some of these people lost thousands to millions and were banking on that as there retirement......now what are those people that are in thier late 50's/60's going to do. Imagine having all this money you expect to retire with in a few years that you worked your ass of all of a sudden gone......thats some fucked up shit
JP initially walked away from the table. The Fed pleaded with them to take it, which is why they decided to grab $30bn of the less-secure investments.

Jamie Dimon has built his career on this type of strategy, and hes extremely good at what he does.
 
seaking420 said:
One of my clients husband works for bear...still has his job but will most likely lose it by the end of the week. Now I dont know much about it, but she told me that JP Morgan made a cut throat deal and wanted to get the deal done asap because there was no other bank that could fund the money during the weekend hours like JPM could.
Bicep vein said the rest.

I feel bad some of these people lost thousands to millions and were banking on that as there retirement......now what are those people that are in thier late 50's/60's going to do. Imagine having all this money you expect to retire with in a few years that you worked your ass of all of a sudden gone......thats some fucked up shit


most banks didnt have it aval at the drop of the hat, they didnt even cut a check. it is convertible stock :D

the building on madison ave alone is worth more then 240m
 
bicep_vien said:
most banks didnt have it aval at the drop of the hat, they didnt even cut a check. it is convertible stock :D

the building on madison ave alone is worth more then 240m
Now Dimon doesnt have to build that new NY headquarters he has been thinking about.
 
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