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Quadsweeps Sister
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If fatalism held true, wouldn't it be a depressing life? I wouldn't want anything predetermined, I think we try to do that enough in our own lives...gotta go to college, gotta get married have kids by 30, gotta have dream house by 35. pre-determined marriages, etc.
This was a pretty sad example of fatalism right here:
If it is fated that you will recover from this illness, then, regardless of whether you consult a doctor or you do not consult a doctor you will recover.
But also, if it is fated that you will not recover from this illness, then, regardless of whether you consult a doctor or you do not consult a doctor you will not recover.
But either it is fated that you will recover from this illness or you will not recover.
Therefore it is futile to consult a doctor.
In the end, all I know is MM (Marvin the Martian) was right...Resistence is Futile!
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Mythicwrld
"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."
This was a pretty sad example of fatalism right here:
If it is fated that you will recover from this illness, then, regardless of whether you consult a doctor or you do not consult a doctor you will recover.
But also, if it is fated that you will not recover from this illness, then, regardless of whether you consult a doctor or you do not consult a doctor you will not recover.
But either it is fated that you will recover from this illness or you will not recover.
Therefore it is futile to consult a doctor.
In the end, all I know is MM (Marvin the Martian) was right...Resistence is Futile!
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Mythicwrld
"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."
blut wump
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If it's so then it doesn't matter whether I adhere to a belief in it. Nothing matters except ... nope not even that. I'd rather go solipsist than fatalist but then than wouldn't much matter either. Dead-end unprovable time-wasters. Sorry, I think I meant idle recreation.
It reminds me of a joke:
What's the difference between a philosopher and a mathematician?
A mathematician can do his work with pencil, paper and a trash can; the philosopher can dispense with the trash can.
It reminds me of a joke:
What's the difference between a philosopher and a mathematician?
A mathematician can do his work with pencil, paper and a trash can; the philosopher can dispense with the trash can.
mountain muscle
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Fatalism is horseshit and a convenient excuse for people to believe their shitty lives are not their own fault.
mountain muscle
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redguru said:
Then why do they resist when we try to light them on fire from the sky? <In his name of course>
Lady Viking
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nope
Hiatussin
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That´s determinism you´re talking about.
Fatalism is more like martyrdom from what I understand- the kamikaze attitude that personal harm is acceptable when it´s needed to reach a goal.
I´m into fencing/swordfighting but with sharp blades and minimal protection. People who are willing to take a light hit if it means they get a shot at a good hit are called fatalists...
Anyway it´s probably a language difference since you all seem to know the idea as fatalism. its determinism here. I don´t believe in it.
Fatalism is more like martyrdom from what I understand- the kamikaze attitude that personal harm is acceptable when it´s needed to reach a goal.
I´m into fencing/swordfighting but with sharp blades and minimal protection. People who are willing to take a light hit if it means they get a shot at a good hit are called fatalists...
Anyway it´s probably a language difference since you all seem to know the idea as fatalism. its determinism here. I don´t believe in it.
People confuse determinism with fatalism. They’re two completely different notions.Hiatussin said:
Fatalism is the idea that something’s going to happen no matter what you do.
Determinism is the idea that what you do depends. What happens depends on what you do, what you do depends on what you know, what you know depends on what you’re caused to know, and so forth -- but still, what you do matters. There’s a big difference between that and fatalism. Fatalism is determinism with you left out.
