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Fast Twitch Muscle Steroids

scoot538

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I am a pitcher with very sound mechanics already, and need to quickly increase my velocity for certain reasons i would like to keep private. I was reading that winstrol is awesome for increasing velocity, but can cause lots of joint paint and it sounded like damage resulting from it. Now the thought of fucking up my arm where I could perform due to injuries scares the hell out of me. I heard that an alternate to winny is Anavar. Is this just true for people looking for the strict strength and lean mass benefits or will it also help build fast twitch muscles?

I really need some advice so I appreciate anyone who responds.
 
There is some evidence that there is some plasticity to the muscle fibre type, and this adaptation occurs due to the work the muscle is doing, so a lot of endurance work, more slow twitch, fast, explosive work, more fast twitch.

That steroids increase the amount of fast twitch sounds like bodybuilding forum mis-information and myth.
 
Steroids is the last thing a pitcher needs ... maybe some GH once your approaching 30 to keep that rotator cuff in shape, but otherwise the aquired strength you get from AAS thats visible in the wwightroom probably wont translate into ptching power at all.

MY best freind who plays Div 1 has become an injury tree after fucking around with dbol, winny, etc over the course of a couple years. @ 22 he cant throw as fast as when he was 16 because of injuries and excess bulk.

With respect to speed in general theres 2 often overlooked drugs, only 1 of which id recomend period.

1) Halo ... super duper androgenic, and proven to actually improve neural recruitment in muscle - doesnt add size, but makes what you have super efficient basically. Unfortunatley aggressiveness, liver stress, and blood pressure make it undesirable unless your a combat athlete IMO.

2) Turinabol ... imo this is the pot of gold speed AAS. **assuming your getting real tbol** IMO gains are leaner than var, but synvovial dehyrdation doesnt occur - ths no associated joint pain. This is the drug the east Germans force fed their athletes with great success. Guess what? Winstrol, Anavar, Dianabol were all circulating at the tme and readily available ---> If tbol was inferior the east German athletes would have been on them, not Tbol.
 
I am a pitcher with very sound mechanics already, and need to quickly increase my velocity for certain reasons i would like to keep private. I was reading that winstrol is awesome for increasing velocity, but can cause lots of joint paint and it sounded like damage resulting from it. Now the thought of fucking up my arm where I could perform due to injuries scares the hell out of me. I heard that an alternate to winny is Anavar. Is this just true for people looking for the strict strength and lean mass benefits or will it also help build fast twitch muscles?

I really need some advice so I appreciate anyone who responds.


Bro, I pitched in the minors (AA). Good to see another pitcher around.

Enhancing recovery is the only real benefit for you taking juice as a pitcher. A little winny is fine 25-50mg after you throw long toss. Do not take it daily.

Honestly, the best way to improve fast twitch muscle for pitching is just doing long-toss and throwing bullpens.


Taking something that gives significant bulk is out of the question. Flexibility and limberness become compromised. That leads to injury. No Dbol, and anadrol for this reason.


Shoot test prop (even better is test suspension) 50mg after your game days to help recovery, and winny on long toss days to aid in fast twitch muscle repair. No more than that/ you don't to be puting on mass. your rotator cuff will get fucked.


Also, on a side note, do not ever take cortisone shots or prednasone. they are estremely damaging to your joints and weaken ligaments.
 
*but yeah bro ... ive seen it first hand, and ill repeat dont use AAS.

If you hurt yourself and fuck your entire career think of the mental anguish that will follow you for the rest of your life... if you think youve maxed out naturally Ill gurantee you havent- and even you can probably admit that you could make improvements in diet, training, lifestyle habits, and more practice that could probably make the difference for you.

If you really really want to use AAS bro stick with something simple thats not gona blow you up and keep dosages low. (Tbol, anavar, or Eq)Do bandwork for your shoulders, stretch, and rest ... and do a good pct. Most AAS induced injuries occur after a cycle when your natty test production is nill, and your lifting the weights of a gorilla.
 
*but yeah bro ... ive seen it first hand, and ill repeat dont use AAS.

If you hurt yourself and fuck your entire career think of the mental anguish that will follow you for the rest of your life... if you think youve maxed out naturally Ill gurantee you havent- and even you can probably admit that you could make improvements in diet, training, lifestyle habits, and more practice that could probably make the difference for you.

If you really really want to use AAS bro stick with something simple thats not gona blow you up and keep dosages low. (Tbol, anavar, or Eq)Do bandwork for your shoulders, stretch, and rest ... and do a good pct. Most AAS induced injuries occur after a cycle when your natty test production is nill, and your lifting the weights of a gorilla.

I made some edits in my post^^^



You make some good points.

tbol gives too much mass though. anavar is a good choice

Really, if anything, use test suspension after you throw to get your recovery at max right of the bat. That's it. don't cycle it daily, you don't need hormone suppression. If you can't get test suspension, use anavar at 30 mg.

A post game diet & routine is extremely important. Get in some solid protein and carbs after the game. the first few hours make of recovery a huge difference. Ice the gun, get some food.
 
Steroids is the last thing a pitcher needs ... maybe some GH once your approaching 30 to keep that rotator cuff in shape, but otherwise the aquired strength you get from AAS thats visible in the wwightroom probably wont translate into ptching power at all.

MY best freind who plays Div 1 has become an injury tree after fucking around with dbol, winny, etc over the course of a couple years. @ 22 he cant throw as fast as when he was 16 because of injuries and excess bulk.

With respect to speed in general theres 2 often overlooked drugs, only 1 of which id recomend period.

1) Halo ... super duper androgenic, and proven to actually improve neural recruitment in muscle - doesnt add size, but makes what you have super efficient basically. Unfortunatley aggressiveness, liver stress, and blood pressure make it undesirable unless your a combat athlete IMO.

2) Turinabol ... imo this is the pot of gold speed AAS. **assuming your getting real tbol** IMO gains are leaner than var, but synvovial dehyrdation doesnt occur - ths no associated joint pain. This is the drug the east Germans force fed their athletes with great success. Guess what? Winstrol, Anavar, Dianabol were all circulating at the tme and readily available ---> If tbol was inferior the east German athletes would have been on them, not Tbol.

halo isn't that androgenic at all, it's almost a pure anti-glucocorticoid.

to the TS: Some research articles speculate some steroids can transform slow-twitch fibers into fast-twitch. Look for those studies first before taking action.
 
well it sounds like juicing might not be the best idea for me as a pitcher then with the whole risk of injury. a lot of people on elitefitness say good things about dermacrine. How do yall thing that would help for my situation? is it good for building just strength and not bulk?
 
creatine and proper nutrition perhaps. Give the muscles the fuel they need to explode and they will. forget AAS

Just my ignurant .02
 
halo isn't that androgenic at all, it's almost a pure anti-glucocorticoid.

To the ts: Some research articles speculate some steroids can transform slow-twitch fibers into fast-twitch. Look for those studies first before taking action.

halo has an androgenic rating of 1900. It is the most androgenic steriod available. Do not give out any more idiot advice
 
Scoot, your other posts say you ar 18years old, others say you are 20. some say you weigh 180, some say you are 200.

Don't lie, it doesn't help you.

You are too young. Don't take steroids. Stay away from the aas board.
 
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i'm about to be 20 and i'm in college. if i said i was 28 it was unintentional.
The only ways I am aware of that you can make quick velocity gains are thru machanics. If your machanics are as good as they can possibly be, work the elastic bands, the weighted balls and long toss. Leave the juice for the big swingers. I played in the Reds organization for three plus years, pitchers have to work twice as hard as position players, even though they do not play everyday. Its a tuff spot up there on that mound. Good Luck Bro.
 
i'm about to be 20 and i'm in college. if i said i was 28 it was unintentional.

typo, I meant to type 18.

you say you're 18, then a couple weeks later you're 20?

doesn't matter cuz either way, you should stay away from steroids bro.
 
halo isn't that androgenic at all, it's almost a pure anti-glucocorticoid.

to the TS: Some research articles speculate some steroids can transform slow-twitch fibers into fast-twitch. Look for those studies first before taking action.

Compound:------------------------------Androgenic------Anabolic
1-Testosterone--------------------------100------200
Anabolicum Vister(Quinbolone)(oral Boldenone)--50------100
Anadrol 50(Oxymetholone)-------------45------320
Anadur(Nandrolone Hexyloxyphenylpropionate)--37-----125
Anatrofin(Stenbolone Acetate)---------107-144-----267-332
Anavar(Oxandrolone)-------------------24------322-630
Andractim(Dihydrotestosteron)--------30-260-----60-220
Andriol(Testosterone Undecanoate)----100------100
Androderm(Testosterone)---------------100------100
Androgel(Testosterone)------------------100------100
Boldabol(Boldenone Acetate)------------50------100
Cheque Drops(Mibolerone)--------------1,800------4,100
Danocrine(Danazol)----------------------37------125
Deca-Durabolin(Nandrolone Decanoate)--37------125
Deposterona(Testosterone Blend)-------100------100
Dianabol(Methandrostenolone)-----------40-60------90-210
Dimethyltrienolone------------------------10,000+-----10,000+
Dinandrol(Nandrolone Blend)------------37------125
Durabolin(NPP)----------------------------37------125
Dynabol(Nandrolone Cypionate)---------37------125
Equipoise(Boldenone Undecylenate)-----50------100
Esiclene(Formebolone)-------------------No Data Available
Genabol(Norbolethone)-------------------17------350
Halotestin(Fluoxymesterone)------------850------1,900Hydroxytestosterone---------------------25------65
Laurabolin(Nandrolone Laurate)---------37------125
Madol(Desoxymethyltestosterone)------187------1,200
Masteron(Drostanolone Propionate)-----25-40------62-130
Megagrisevit-Mono(Clostebol Acetate)--25------46
MENT(Methylnortestosterone Acetate)-------650------2,300
Mestanolone--------------------------------78-254------107
Methandriol(Mythelandrostenediol)-------30-60------20-60
Methyl-1-Testosterone---------------------100-220------910-1,600
Methyldienolone----------------------------200-300------1,000
Methylhydroxynandrolone(MHN)----------281------1304
Methyltestosterone-------------------------94-130------115-150
Metribolone(Methyltrienolone)-------------6,000-7,000------12,000-30,000
Miotolan(Furazabol)-------------------------73-94------270-330
Myagen(Bolasterone)-----------------------300------575
Nilevar(Norethandrolone)------------------22-55------100-200
Omnadren(Testosterone Blend)-----------100------100
Orabolin(Ethylestrenol)--------------------20-400------200-400
Oral Turinabol------------------------------None------100+
Oranabol(Oxymesterone)------------------50------330
Orgasteron(Normethandrolone)-----------325-580------110-125
Parabolan(Tren Hexahydrobenzycarbonate)-500------500
Primobolan(Methenolone Acetate)----------44-57------88
Primobolan Depot(Methenolone Enanthate)-44-57------88
Prostanozol------------------------------------n/a------n/a
Protabol(Thiomesterone)--------------------61------456
Proviron(Mesterolone)-----------------------30-40------100-150
Sanabolicum(Nandrolone Cyclohexylpropionate)-37------125
Steranabol Ritardo(Oxabolone Cypionate)--20-60------50-90
Superdrol(Methyldrostanolone)-------------400------20
Sustanon 100 & 250--------------------------100------100
Synovex(Testosterone Propionate & Estradiol)-100------100
Test 400---------------------------------------100------100
Test Enanthate/Cypionate/Propionate/Susp & Blends-100------100
THG(Tetrahydrogestrinone)-------------------No Data Available
Tren Acetate/Enanthate & Blends------------500------500
Winstrol(Stanozolol)---------------------------30------320

Excluding cheque drops you really cant get any more androgenic than halo bro, period. Androgenic = secondary sexual characteristics ... halo gives aggression, strength, crazy sex drive, and can increase body/facial hair like fucking crazy. If the #s and the results of halo dont deem it androgenic, I dont know what would.
 
I found this on Pubmed:

Response of human skeletal
muscle to the anabolic steroid
stanozolol


Janice L Hosegood, Antony J Franks


As part of a larger trial assessing the value of stanozolol
in preventing postoperative deep vein thrombosis' we
studied whether stanozolol increased the size of human
skeletal muscle fibres.
Patients, methods, and results
We studied 16 patients undergoing elective
abdominal surgery, eight of whom received 10 mg
stanozolol orally each day for 14-21 days before
operation as part of the larger trial.' Patients were
matched in pairs for age, sex, and body build (percentage
overweight for height was calculated from tables
giving expected weight for height). None of the
patients had a history of abdominal operations, recent
weight loss, endocrine disorder, or treatment with
corticosteroids, and none had a malignant condition.
Consent was obtained from the patients and the trial
was approved by the hospital ethical committee.
A biopsy specimen of rectus abdominis at least 1 cm
long was taken at operation (avoiding tendinous
insertions) before diathermy or retractors were used.
These were processed according to a routine protocol,
and serial cryostat sections were stained with haematoxylin
and eosin, reduced nicotinamide-adenine
dinucleotide diaphorase, Gomori's trichrome, and
adenosine triphosphatase preincubated at pH 9-4,
4-63, and 4.35.2 An image based analysis system (IBAS
1, Konitron Bildanalyse System) was used to measure
the smallest diameter of the myofibres (the greatest
distance across the lesser aspect of the fibres in the
section stained with adenosine triphosphatase and
preincubated at pH 9-4).2 At least 200 type I fibres and
200 type II fibres were measured in each sample except
one, in which only 151 type I fibres were present. All
of the fibres within fascicles chosen at random were
measured. The variability in measurements between
operators was found to be less than 3%. A paired
Wilcoxon rank test was performed on the mean
diameters of the fibres in the two groups.
The diameters of type I fibres were significantly
larger (002<p<0005) in the patients treated with
stanozolol compared with the controls (table). There
was no significant difference (p>005) between the
type II (a and b) fibres in the treated and control
groups. Type Ilc fibres were present in varying and
small numbers in the samples (0-4% of the total), but
no statistical analysis was performed on these.
Comment
These results show an increase in the bulk of type I
(oxidative) fibres in response to the anabolic steroid
stanozolol. Changes in the size of muscle fibres are
most common in type II fibres, which atrophy with
disuse, malnutrition, and excess glucocorticoids and
show hypertrophy after "strength building" exercise.
Arduous long term physical exercise leads to an
increase in the bulk of type I fibres, both by hypertrophy
of fibres and by transformation of fibre type3;
and the oxidative capacity of the muscle increases
concurrently.4 The bulk of fibres may also increase
in certain diseases such as Duchenne muscular
dystrophy, in which the composition of the hypertrophied
muscle is abnormal.
The muscle we examined is not usually used in
exercise. If, however, an increased bulk of type I fibres
in other skeletal muscle increased its aerobic potential
it might fatigue less readily. Any resulting increase in
exercise might lead to secondary hypertrophy of type II
fibres, improving performance and, incidentally,
masking a predominant direct effect on type I fibres in
Department of Pathology,
University of Leeds, Leeds
LS2 9JT
Janice L Hosegood, MB,
senior house officer
Antony J Franks, MRCPATH,
senior lecturer
Correspondence and
requests for reprints to: Dr A
J Franks, Bradford Health
Authority, Bradford, West
Yorkshire BD9 6RL.
Mean diameters oftype Ifibres
([rn) in pairs ofpatients and
controls matched for age, sex,
and body build
Patients treated
Pair no with stanozolol Controls
1 44 33
2 46 47
3 56 44
4 40 39
5 62* 57
6 51 43
7 57 43
8 41 40
*Only 151 fibres were available for
measurement in this sample.
1028 BMJ VOLUME 297 22 OCTOBER

Here is the link for this article:
Response of human skeletal muscle to the anabolic ...[BMJ. 1988] - PubMed Result
 
halo isn't that androgenic at all, it's almost a pure anti-glucocorticoid.

to the TS: Some research articles speculate some steroids can transform slow-twitch fibers into fast-twitch. Look for those studies first before taking action.

Pwned by roc86
 
halo has an androgenic rating of 1900. It is the most androgenic steriod available. Do not give out any more idiot advice

Psst, the anabolic/androgenic ratings on the website profiles are drawn from a study concerning rat prostate, completely irrelevant concerning humans and certainly human muscle. Big Cat even said it is the biggest steroid blunder ever.

So instead of being a parroting jackass do your own research.

That's because of the sheer ludicracy of trusting numbers from vida based on levator ani against ventral prostate weight in rats ... I think we've all chuckled a great deal at those numbers in the past.

The levator ani is an androgen dependent organ, with much lower threshold for androgen activity, and in no way reflects the anabolic potency of a compound in skeletal muscle. The ventral prostate in turn is no model for skin, scalp, etc. The rat AR, as well as expression levels of co-regulators differ from those in humans as well. In short, those numbers come as close to the truth as the pope to a gay convention.


Small detail, methyltrienolone is the biggest androgen available. It's cousin, it's name escapes me, is believed to even be stronger, with yet another methylation added to it. But there is no research data for it yet.
 
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Excluding cheque drops you really cant get any more androgenic than halo bro, period. Androgenic = secondary sexual characteristics ... halo gives aggression, strength, crazy sex drive, and can increase body/facial hair like fucking crazy. If the #s and the results of halo dont deem it androgenic, I dont know what would.

Let's take a look at the effects of glucocorticoid deprivation, which comes from an anti-glucocorticoid, which halo is.

increased neural drive : check
increased hematocrit and hemoglobin levels: check
increased agression: check
increased appetite: check

fluoxymesterone still is an androgen, but by far not such a huge one as stated so many times before.
 
Psst, the anabolic/androgenic ratings on the website profiles are drawn from a study concerning rat prostate, completely irrelevant concerning humans and certainly human muscle. Big Cat even said it is the biggest steroid blunder ever.

So instead of being a parroting jackass do your own research.

That's because of the sheer ludicracy of trusting numbers from vida based on levator ani against ventral prostate weight in rats ... I think we've all chuckled a great deal at those numbers in the past.

The levator ani is an androgen dependent organ, with much lower threshold for androgen activity, and in no way reflects the anabolic potency of a compound in skeletal muscle. The ventral prostate in turn is no model for skin, scalp, etc. The rat AR, as well as expression levels of co-regulators differ from those in humans as well. In short, those numbers come as close to the truth as the pope to a gay convention.


Small detail, methyltrienolone is the biggest androgen available. It's cousin, it's name escapes me, is believed to even be stronger, with yet another methylation added to it. But there is no research data for it yet.

Interesting info.

Do you have the links to any of these papers, like you have said, also think it is important to do your own research and go to the primary source.

This is one of the problems on BBing boards, there are smart peeps, people who are in the medical/scientific area, but they have to go under names like 'Big Cat' (just using his name, I don't have the foggiest who that is).

I am aware of the two compounds that you mentioned, one of my mates did a cycle with one of them, he was doing scary amounts of weight on leg press (600 kg+), I will have to ask him what he thought of the results.

Also, lads, let's leave all these little digs out of the discussions please (I am really tempted to edit them out of your posts) it isn't going to do anything but provoke a reaction and we don't need a forum full of geared up or clomided up lads having it out.

Ta
 
If u got access to this study, it's an eye-opener.

Saartok T, Dahlberg E, Gustafsson JA.Relative binding affinity of anabolic-androgenic steroids: comparison of the binding to the androgen receptors in skeletal muscle and in prostate, as well as to sex hormone-binding globulin.Endocrinology. 1984 Jun;114(6):2100-6.
 
i'm about to be 20 and i'm in college. if i said i was 28 it was unintentional.

Then you need a few yrs to peak, your hormones are already flooding your body -USE THEM



There's nothing like hard work!
RADAR
 
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If u got access to this study, it's an eye-opener.

Saartok T, Dahlberg E, Gustafsson JA.Relative binding affinity of anabolic-androgenic steroids: comparison of the binding to the androgen receptors in skeletal muscle and in prostate, as well as to sex hormone-binding globulin.Endocrinology. 1984 Jun;114(6):2100-6.



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Just saw your remark........

No time to retaliate now, I am taking a break, and need to catch a plane.

FYI, calling me a parroting jackass, or any other mentor or mod on EF is hazardous to your cyber health, Mr. 43 posts. :FRlol:

I'll deal with your punk ass - when I return.

Perhaps a few of the, mentors / mods, will have a word with you in my absense.... Junior.



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calyptus is totally right here. Dont be mislead by those absurd anabolic/androgenic ratios, measurement values base on 2 procedures, the weight of the prostate and the levator ani muscle in mice. What does that tell you for a human? nothing. I can guarantee you will not gain anywhere the muscles with halo compared to test, you rather build 1900% more muscle with test. Halos produced aggressiveness and strength comes from cortisol inhibition and effects on the CNS.

There are better alternatives today, halo is very harsh, thats no fiction, imo the most dramatic side effect beside the dangers for liver and especially kidneys is that behaviour towards beloved family and friends you will regret big time. halo, never again.
Just to lift 20 pounds more or being "harder" for a few days to grin like an idiot on a show.
 
Anabolic = "The phase of metabolism in which simple substances are synthesized into the complex materials of living tissue."

Androgenic = A steroid hormone that controls the development and maintenance of masculine characteristics

-Halo is androgenic in every sense of the word. Sex drive, strength, hair loss, aggression all are extremely prevalent with halo -almost IMMEDITALEY.

Not to mention it isnt very "anabolic" in that you arent going to put on noticeable mass running halo alone.

Dont listen to this meathead fellas or youll end up bald with a prostate the size of a grapefruit. Halo is very androgenic - end of thread.
 
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