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Fake Sust??????

This is strange, because if you surf around to sites looking for "legit" pics of the various sustanons, the portuguese ones listed as such are dead ringers for the ones being called out as fakes in the recent threads. You can find these info sites as referenced by people from this forum.

You'll note that in the first pic I provided, it uses the "old style" Sustenon typeface, which, if I am correct, was used by Organon until relatively recently. However, it has a lot number of 488823 and the legit Susts in the other thread are 488826. Given the closeness in lot numbers, it seems impossible that the pic I've included could be of real sustenon, but the pic came right off of an information site which was posted by a member on this forum or MFW in response to previous questions about legitimacy of product. Compounding the confusion, those sites *do* show pictures of various products which match exactly those posted by members in this forum. For instance, Norma Man has posted pictures of Norma's Nandro which are identical to those shown on the various sites, and he bought them in Greece himself.
 
liftshard said:
This is strange, because if you surf around to sites looking for "legit" pics of the various sustanons, the portuguese ones listed as such are dead ringers for the ones being called out as fakes in the recent threads. You can find these info sites as referenced by people from this forum.

You'll note that in the first pic I provided, it uses the "old style" Sustenon typeface, which, if I am correct, was used by Organon until relatively recently. However, it has a lot number of 488823 and the legit Susts in the other thread are 488826. Given the closeness in lot numbers, it seems impossible that the pic I've included could be of real sustenon, but the pic came right off of an information site which was posted by a member on this forum or MFW in response to previous questions about legitimacy of product. Compounding the confusion, those sites *do* show pictures of various products which match exactly those posted by members in this forum. For instance, Norma Man has posted pictures of Norma's Nandro which are identical to those shown on the various sites, and he bought them in Greece himself.
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The pics you attached dont look the same to me as the ones in the link at the top of this post. The pics you attached look real to me, but its hard to tell from those pics. Look at the rings on the amps at the top of the post. I've never seen portuguese sust with rings like that. Unless organon has changed something, those are fake.
 
I dunno; the pics I posted and the link at the top appear to look the same. What differences do you see between them?
 
OuttLaw said:
The pics you attached dont look the same to me as the ones in the link at the top of this post. The pics you attached look real to me, but its hard to tell from those pics. Look at the rings on the amps at the top of the post. I've never seen portuguese sust with rings like that. Unless organon has changed something, those are fake.
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Yeah, but you posted a pic of Sust250 over on the "real deal" thread and those pics look NOTHING like the ones I posted. The typeface is completely different. I expect that yours are real; I'm assuming that they are. However, there are all these ones floating around that look like the pic I posted and the links at the top.

To me, the ones at the top and the pics I posted look pretty much identical. However, neither of them look like the pic you posted on the "Real Deal" thread.
 
liftshard said:
Yeah, but you posted a pic of Sust250 over on the "real deal" thread and those pics look NOTHING like the ones I posted. The typeface is completely different. I expect that yours are real; I'm assuming that they are. However, there are all these ones floating around that look like the pic I posted and the links at the top.

To me, the ones at the top and the pics I posted look pretty much identical. However, neither of them look like the pic you posted on the "Real Deal" thread.
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Well, I can assure you that the pics I posted are real. Granted, its been about a year since I've gotten my hands on any portuguese sust, so it is possible that the amps have changed, although I doubt this to be very likely. You cant honestly tell me you dont see a difference in the pics you posted from the ones at the top. The rings on the amps at the top are much thinner, and then they're not even painted on straight. Plus that is the poorest quality labeling I've ever seen.

And come to think of it, the more I look at your pics, the more I'm starting to question their legitamacy. I dont suppose you have any of the origional packaging for your amps either?
 
OuttLaw said:
And come to think of it, the more I look at your pics, the more I'm starting to question their legitamacy. I dont suppose you have any of the origional packaging for your amps either?
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As I said, those were cribbed off of sites which were suggested by members of this forum that supposedly hosted legitimate pics of various products.
 
They look exactly like some I bought a while back from a source in East Europe, and they were awesome, and legit. Good luck; I hope they prove to be as good as mine were.
 
The amps in the original pic are not all the same size. So, if they all bear the same lot #, I would be suspicious. I can wager that I know where these amps came from, off of the internet. I put a small test order through this place for DBol, Norma Deca and Sust. The Dbol that came was spitting image of thais and BD. If it's fake, it's a very good counterfeit. The Norma Deca is indistinguishable from the real amps, replete with silkscreened blue label and everything. Norma_Man put several pics of the newer Norma Decas, that he picked up in Greece himself, on here a few months back and the amps I got were identical to those. The sustenon, however, has been spotty. Different sized amps, lot numbers which don't jibe with what I would expect, label typefaces which resemble the links above and whatnot. Unless Organon has poor QC in Portugal, these have got to be counterfeit, however, they may still contain the sust 250 compound. I guess if you hit one and your butt hurts for a couple days, they probably have test prop in them. As I said, the DB and deca from this vendor are physically identical to legitimate. If they are, in fact, the real goods, then it would be strange for a legit dealer to sell fake stuff right next to real stuff. Why not just scam, send nothing at all and then flip the email or domain registration or at least send all fake stuff?

Assuming that Organon uses sequential lot numbers like every other manufacturer, the newer typeface is what they have been using for some time now and lot #564104 bearing that font style would be too high. The legit susts in the other thread have lot #488826. I assume that Organon is not mixing and matching their labels.
 
liftshard said:
If they are, in fact, the real goods, then it would be strange for a legit dealer to sell fake stuff right next to real stuff. Why not just scam, send nothing at all and then flip the email or domain registration or at least send all fake stuff?
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Sometimes a legit dealer may buy from a supplier, and the supplier sends him fake gear. Maybe the supplier knew the gear was fake, maybe he didnt. Either way, now the dealer is stuck with all this fake gear. So he's either gotta take a loss (which could be big depending on how much he bought), or turn around and sell the gear anyway. Unfortunately, people dont always do the morally correct thing to do in this situation.
 
Came across these pics by accident. These have the same lot# as the pics you attached, but they look exactly like the pics in the link at the top of the post. This proves to me that both these and the ones at the top are fake. You'll just have to make your own decision.
 
I've talked with a few people about this, and so far everyone I talked to has never seen portuguese sust with rounded corners. That would mean that everything on this thread is fake. (which would confirm my origional thoughts.) Here is what the real ones should look like.
 
The ones in the link and the first pic I posted must be counterfeit.

The 2nd pic I posted, I believe, is the older style Suste 250. Your pics, on the 2nd post above this one, are what real Suste 250 should look like now.

So, I think it's safe to conclude that this place is selling counterfeit suste 250.

While this means that it is not legitimate Organon Suste 250, it may still contain the sust compound or some other anabolic gear.

To the original poster: send a mod a message about this and tell him where you got them.

The rub here is that I am certain I know where these came from and I know that the 1st pic I posted came from a gallery of supposedly "legit" pics of Sust 250. This would indicate that there is a member or members on these boards, here and the other known ones, who are participating in the sale of counterfeits and the people doing it are probably respected contributors with lots of posts. Whoever you are, you should be goddamned ashamed of yourself.

I have seen repeated pics of suste 250 from this vendor over the last 6 or more months, meaning that they are moving quite a bit of product, yet they show up on no scammer lists, forum searches here and elsewhere yield no hits. You just cain't trust nobody these days.

If somebody has access to a lab, I'll send them an amp of this Suste 250, lot #488823 or 564104 if they will have it tested and post the results of its contents.
 
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