Extending 10 week cycle by 5 weeks-- feedback.

[steel10]

I am in the 7th week of my 2nd ever cycle. I am 22 years old, 5'8'' and started this cycle at 195lbs @13% bf. I up 10 lbs, to 205, at same bf.

My cycle is this (I have not yet done the last 3 weeks):
weeks 1-10: tkk cyp @ 400mg/week
weeks 1-9: tkk deca @ 300mg/week
weeks 2-7: ref-b @ 50mg (with some changing of dosages)-- I started at week 2 because of probs getting tabs.

Anyway, this is going to by my last cyle for the forseeable future, as I am beginning my job as an Investment Banker in September and lifting/nutrition will have to take the back burner for some time. I am strongly considering extending my current cycle another 5 weeks in order to, obviously, extend its results throughout the summer. I know most cycles we talk about here are around 10 weeks, but would this be a really bad idea? My dosages have been rather moderate and I have made solid, but not huge, gains.

If extending the cycle, I was planning on doing the tkk cyp at the same dosage (400mg/week) for the final 5 weeks (weeks 10-15), but possibly switching to tkk eq @ 500mg/week for weeks 10-14-- instead of staying with the deca. Would such a change be a bad idea? Anyway, I appreciate the feedback. Thank you.

 

[Silent Method]

I read one study abstract that looked at cycle length and results. It suggested that 15 weeks is no better than 8 weeks. Just food for thought...

 

[kingc_79]

dont think eq will do much for ya in 5wks

 

[champion]

stick with the deca

 

[Nathan]

Hard to say. If gains stop or slow to a crawl, come off. I fnot, go for it IMO. Congratulations on the job but I'd like to see an attitude adjustement mister. There is always a way to find solid and regular training into one's lifestyle.

 

[Nathan]

Oh, but I'd up the test, and throw in an oral instead of eq since it takes too long to kick in.

 

[SofaGeorge]

I've done many extended cycles and have no problem staying on for a year at a time... but I have found it is important to switch drugs. If you want to run longer grab some EQ and run it with the deca for another 10-12 weeks... or with primo.

 

[steel10]

Thanks for the feedback. Why wouldn't the eq do anything if just running 5 weeks? I will all ready have the deca in my system and, by the time that starts to wear off, the eq should be kicking in, no?

Champion-- What is the main reason I should stick with the deca? Is it just a preference thing between deca or eq or is there another reason?

Nathan-- why would u throw in an oral? I will already be on the 10th week of my cycle when starting eq. While waiting for it to kick in, the test and deca will still be in my system and then when it kicks in, the deca should be out and the eq should be in my system until starting clomid.

Anyway, thanks for the feeback and keep it coming, please.

 

[kingc_79]

Thanks for the feedback. Why wouldn't the eq do anything if just running 5 weeks? I will all ready have the deca in my system and, by the time that starts to wear off, the eq should be kicking in, no?

no, because eq takes around 4wks to kick in, stick w/deca or add winny or something short lived

 

[strong island]

If you can get some HCG. Do 500 iu everday for a week or two. This will keep your little guys from falling into a deep sleep.

 

[Nathan]

Because an oral would give you the benefit of adding a NEW drug as well as one that you don't have to wait to kick in. Fina would be another good option. The thing about eq is that it will be kicking in at about week 15 if you start it in week 10, which is when you want to stop the cycle.

 

[BlackJack]

Personally, don't do it. For one you should be up more than 10lbs with those doses.#1 Your diet is probably bad, by bad I mean not enough calories/protien. #2 your going to basically stop lifting and eating like you should so your gonna lose it all anyway, why put your body through the stress of another 5 wks for nothing.

If you do stay on stick with what you were doing but eat a lot more. The EQ is a really bad idea, don't do it. Winny wouldn't be a bad idea either, either by itself or with deca/test.

 

[MadCow1]

Personally, don't do it. For one you should be up more than 10lbs with those doses.#1 Your diet is probably bad, by bad I mean not enough calories/protien. #2 your going to basically stop lifting and eating like you should so your gonna lose it all anyway, why put your body through the stress of another 5 wks for nothing.

If you do stay on stick with what you were doing but eat a lot more. The EQ is a really bad idea, don't do it. Winny wouldn't be a bad idea either, either by itself or with deca/test.

I have to agree - this sounds like the classic "I'm not going to do it anymore so I'd just like to get as much as possible out of this one" idea.

This is generally an undisciplined approach resulting from trying to convince oneself that indulging is okay. Mental gymnastics.

I could write a book on the mental games and excuses newbs use to extend cycles and use more juice. I'd assume going into IBanking (probably from Wharton given Phila and an overachiever) you'd have more sense of yourself and better discipline - don't get drawn in on this one, easy trap just step to the side and finish.

You should be up more already (esp. with 50mg's of dbol ED - that's just a rediculous amount for a 2nd cycle even if not using 2 other drugs with it). I'd suggest re-evaluating your training and nutrition (eat more generally but training is key). Also when you get an Apt. buy a power rack, adjustable flat bench, and an olympic set. You can do everything you need right there - also get a bike. When you walk in the door hit it quick for 30 minutes. You can always fit it in (financing it shouldn't be a problem, although I wonder at the signing bonuses this year - probably a bit meager compared to previous years).

So in conclusion - this is a common idea, it lacks discipline and reeks of self indulgence, something is already wrong with your cycle, and you are most likely better and smarter than this. I can say this as I've talked myself into some truly stupid things over the years - makes it easier to spot.

 

[steel10]

Once again, thanks for the replies. I appreciate you guys making the effort to try to help me out.

Firstly, although 10lbs isn't a lot a weight to be up, I can assure you all that my diet/training is in check. I am ridiculously compulsive about them both and am certainly "eating to grow" and "lifting to grow." Without boring you with the details, I eat 3,500 to 4,500 calories/ed and lift 4 days a week, including heavy deads, squats and bench (my core lifts). 10lbs isn't an astronomical number, but I am pleased with how my physiqe is looking and my strength is way up. This is my second cycle and I can already tell that I am a "hard gainer," but I think it may have something to do with me already being a lot closer to my genetic potential than, let's say, an 18 year old kid that is my height, but weighs 155 lbs-- the weight I was when I was that age. Also, my dosages are rather moderate-- 400mg Tkk cyp and 300mg tkk deca. I truly believe that Mexican vet gear doesn't provide the same quality/legitimate dosages as would certain human grade gear. In reference to the d-bol, I was taking ref-b tabs and I am 100% convinced that they are severly underdosed and that they are not even entirely consistent from pill to pill. So, 50mg ed of that isn't really 50mg of d-bol. I just wanted to clarify these points.

With respects to doing a 15 week cycle, I will be the first to admit that it wasn't what I initially planned and probably not the smartest thing in the world to do. However, this is why I am inquiring. It seems to me that an extra 5 weeks, at the moderate dosages I am using, would not really be a big deal either way. Am I wrong? Also, I am not going to stop lifting in NYC, and lose all my gains, I just am not going to be able to focus on it like I do now-- therefore, I do not plan on using gear again for the forseeable future.

I do see at this point that eq is a bad idea. I will most likely stick with the deca and cyp for the 5 weeks-- unless I find out (from you guys or elsewhere) that these 5 weeks would be really detrimental. For me, if they won't be, then I will take the benefit of being on the gear another 5 weeks this summer-- when I will be really into lifting/eating-- versus the potential costs, which I haven't really seen to be too large. Anyway, I know I sound like somebody with my mind made up, but I am openminded (that is why I am here) and still want to hear your opinions so that I can make the most informed decision possible.

BTW, MadCow1, your assesments were pretty solid-- you should look into being some type of profiler!!! This year's sign-ons were about the same as they have been, but the yearly bonus will be much more dependent on the firm/market's performance.

 

[MadCow1]

BTW, MadCow1, your assesments were pretty solid-- you should look into being some type of profiler!!! This year's sign-ons were about the same as they have been, but the yearly bonus will be much more dependent on the firm/market's performance.

My own interests are closely related to the field so it wasn't terribly hard. I can occasionally make some solid observations but I've missed enough obvious one's to not take myself too seriously.

Anyway, the 5 weeks won't hurt you. In honesty you can abuse the hell out of roids and come out close to unscathed (although I have a friend who was more cautious than most on this board including a lot of newbs - and more successful sports wise - he is on permanent replacement therapy). My concern is watching guys who are new to the drugs start making decisions based on the goal of rationalizing continued use. It kills me to see some guy run his first cycle and then start planning a 2nd one for the day his time on/off minimum roles around. Pretty soon life is on and off drugs. They can be very mentally addictive (watch how many guys like to write out cycles on scratch paper - it's common to all of us - sort of a control/planning/obsessive thing - tends to cement the idea).

I'd do it if you want but I'm also of the opinion that the most important work is post cycle recovery (beyond clomid). Don't bring yourself too close to the new job window as you don't want to be depressed or have low energy when you are new on the job. Also the added hours and stress will melt muscle away if it's not already completely solidified properly post-cycle. My opinion is that 2 months is really needed to return to baseline and 4 is preferable. I also don't like being on drugs for long periods so if I use it's for 4-6 weeks and mainly for injury/therapy.

Good luck with everything - neither decision is "bad" just make sure you are 100% with it. Enjoy the long hours, hopefully the market for new issues heats up a bit and you can still get a solid bonus.

 

[steel10]

MadCow1--

Thanks bro! I appreciate your honesty. As far as the markets go, luckily I am 22 and know I will see some much improved conditions (relative to those that are currently out there) sometime soon (even if not in year 1)--so, I do have some patience... Anyway, best of luck to you bro.