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Explain Persian to me

Lestat

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I mean, what the fuck is it? There is no country called Persia. Is it people from Iran and Sudan and shit like that who don't want to tell people that their grandparents back home are likely terrorists? Do people still say they are "Mongolian" or "Roman" because their ancentors were part of those empires? Why don't Persians just own up to what they really are?
 
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Lestat said:
I mean, what the fuck is it? There is no country called Persia. Is it people from Iran and Sudan and shit like that who don't want to tell people that their grandparents back home are likely terrorists? Do people still say they are "Mongolian" or "Roman" because their ancentors were part of those empires? Why don't Persians just own up to what they really are?
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Since a long time, I have not been frequenting this board very often.
I remember you used to be the dickhead who was the head-vermin of 'bombs up your asses squad'. When too many bombs went up your ass, you put your tail between your legs, and started licking your ass.

Sorry to say, but nothing has changed; you are the same shithead you have always been. Something is still stuck up in your ass that is not letting you sit still, and you have to keep on jumping and barking at people for no reason. Have a proctologist have a look at your ass.

You think that almost a billion and a half people in this world are terrorists?
It may be news to you, but they really don't give it a shit what people like you think about them.

Yes, there is country called Mongolia and those people call themselves Mongolians. They destroyed The Abbasid caliphate in Baghdad, but soon afterwards, many mongol tribes settled in nearby turkey and established their own (Ottoman) empire in Turkey.
The area you are talking about used to be called 'Faras' in oriental languages and 'Persia' in Latin or European alphabets. Similarly, the language is called 'Farsi' or 'Persian'. It is an old indo-germanic language that is very close to many European languages.
Farsi or Persin is the perfect language of poetry. Probably word's best romantic poetry (Hafiz) has been written in that languauge. English translations of 12th centry sufi poet Rumi are the largest selling books of poetry in America.
 
LoneTree said:
Since a long time, I have not been frequenting this board very often.
I remember you used to be the dickhead who was the head-vermin of 'bombs up your asses squad'. When too many bombs went up your ass, you put your tail between your legs, and started licking your ass.

Sorry to say, but nothing has changed; you are the same shithead you have always been. Something is still stuck up in your ass that is not letting you sit still, and you have to keep on jumping and barking at people for no reason. Have a proctologist have a look at your ass.

You think that almost a billion and a half people in this world are terrorists?
It may be news to you, but they really don't give it a shit what people like you think about them.

Yes, there is country called Mongolia and those people call themselves Mongolians. They destroyed The Abbasid caliphate in Baghdad, but soon afterwards, many mongol tribes settled in nearby turkey and established their own (Ottoman) empire in Turkey.
The area you are talking about used to be called 'Faras' in oriental languages and 'Persia' in Latin or European alphabets. Similarly, the language is called 'Farsi' or 'Persian'. It is an old indo-germanic language that is very close to many European languages.
Farsi or Persin is the perfect language of poetry. Probably word's best romantic poetry (Hafiz) has been written in that languauge. English translations of 12th centry sufi poet Rumi are the largest selling books of poetry in America.
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i could have done with just the explanation and not the insults, but if you feel the need to vent and release hate and anger in that way be my guest.
 
i wish lonetree was non plat, the bombs would fly.
 
Lestat said:
I mean, what the fuck is it? There is no country called Persia. Is it people from Iran and Sudan and shit like that who don't want to tell people that their grandparents back home are likely terrorists? Do people still say they are "Mongolian" or "Roman" because their ancentors were part of those empires? Why don't Persians just own up to what they really are?
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Its a cat!!!!!
 
LoneTree said:
You think that almost a billion and a half people in this world are terrorists?
It may be news to you, but they really don't give it a shit what people like you think about them.
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Then they need to rise up and get rid of their leaders, because the path their present leaders are taking them on is leading them into a rain of annihilation from The West.
 
LoneTree said:
Since a long time, I have not been frequenting this board very often.
I remember you used to be the dickhead who was the head-vermin of 'bombs up your asses squad'. When too many bombs went up your ass, you put your tail between your legs, and started licking your ass.

Sorry to say, but nothing has changed; you are the same shithead you have always been. Something is still stuck up in your ass that is not letting you sit still, and you have to keep on jumping and barking at people for no reason. Have a proctologist have a look at your ass.
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This should have been sent in a PM.

LoneTree said:
Yes, there is country called Mongolia and those people call themselves Mongolians. They destroyed The Abbasid caliphate in Baghdad, but soon afterwards, many mongol tribes settled in nearby turkey and established their own (Ottoman) empire in Turkey.
The area you are talking about used to be called 'Faras' in oriental languages and 'Persia' in Latin or European alphabets. Similarly, the language is called 'Farsi' or 'Persian'. It is an old indo-germanic language that is very close to many European languages.
Farsi or Persin is the perfect language of poetry. Probably word's best romantic poetry (Hafiz) has been written in that languauge. English translations of 12th centry sufi poet Rumi are the largest selling books of poetry in America.
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This is the info that was requested. Thank you, very informative.
 
Go back and re-read LoneTree's post again. How many times does he mention "ass," go ahead, count them. He's obviously obsessed with man ass and this was a veiled attempt at hitting on me. fucking homo.
 
The Wikipedia response notwithstanding, it's still a fact that Americans of Iranian origin and immigrants from Iran use "Persian" as a euphemism to conceal or at least downplay the fact that they're Iranians. I doubt that very many of them call themselves "Persians" to honor Darius II or to show their pride for the glories of the Persian Empire.
 
Mr. dB said:
The Wikipedia response notwithstanding, it's still a fact that Americans of Iranian origin and immigrants from Iran use "Persian" as a euphemism to conceal or at least downplay the fact that they're Iranians. I doubt that very many of them call themselves "Persians" to honor Darius II or to show their pride for the glories of the Persian Empire.
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that is what I always assumed, but thought that made me racist.
 
seriously which sounds cooler? persian' or iranian"? see if i was iranian, id rather call myself persian...
 
LoneTree said:
Since a long time, I have not been frequenting this board very often.
I remember you used to be the dickhead who was the head-vermin of 'bombs up your asses squad'. When too many bombs went up your ass, you put your tail between your legs, and started licking your ass.

Sorry to say, but nothing has changed; you are the same shithead you have always been. Something is still stuck up in your ass that is not letting you sit still, and you have to keep on jumping and barking at people for no reason. Have a proctologist have a look at your ass.
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post of 2006.
 
LoneTree said:
Since a long time, I have not been frequenting this board very often.
I remember you used to be the dickhead who was the head-vermin of 'bombs up your asses squad'. When too many bombs went up your ass, you put your tail between your legs, and started licking your ass.

Sorry to say, but nothing has changed; you are the same shithead you have always been. Something is still stuck up in your ass that is not letting you sit still, and you have to keep on jumping and barking at people for no reason. Have a proctologist have a look at your ass.

You think that almost a billion and a half people in this world are terrorists?
It may be news to you, but they really don't give it a shit what people like you think about them.

Yes, there is country called Mongolia and those people call themselves Mongolians. They destroyed The Abbasid caliphate in Baghdad, but soon afterwards, many mongol tribes settled in nearby turkey and established their own (Ottoman) empire in Turkey.
The area you are talking about used to be called 'Faras' in oriental languages and 'Persia' in Latin or European alphabets. Similarly, the language is called 'Farsi' or 'Persian'. It is an old indo-germanic language that is very close to many European languages.
Farsi or Persin is the perfect language of poetry. Probably word's best romantic poetry (Hafiz) has been written in that languauge. English translations of 12th centry sufi poet Rumi are the largest selling books of poetry in America.
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HOLY SHIT! That was my favorite pwnage on here of all time! Dead on!
 
I just saw a thing on the history channel that covered Iran's whole nuke program (scary within itself) and it touched on the Persian empire. Really impressive. Huge empire, very advanced as far as their military went. I think they were the first army to use archers in battle? Anyhoo. Very dominant, proud people. Iran still seems to be the same way, only living in poverty.

BTW. Lestat got pwooned.
 
well, I guess it would be the same reason I call myself Southern when asked... Not that I'm not American... I dunno... shit... hell... fuck... Lighten up you are giving me a headache ;)
 
Once we all figure out this ploy of them calling themselves Persians,
I bet they will switch over to calling it the Fertile Crescent.
 
Frisky said:
well, I guess it would be the same reason I call myself Southern when asked...
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Or maybe you do it to set peoples expectations that what you are going to say is totally tard..
 
Y_lifter said:
Once we all figure out this ploy of them calling themselves Persians,
I bet they will switch over to calling it the Fertile Crescent.
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That would be the Iraqis, not Iranians.
 
I'm thinking that the fertile crescent covers enough area and is so
old of a term that I'm fairly safe with my post.
 
NSFW? you can't say hot chick from pakistan and then say NSFW.

ah fuck it, that's what the office is for.

probably blocked. yep, blocked.
 
Lestat said:
I mean, what the fuck is it? There is no country called Persia. Is it people from Iran and Sudan and shit like that who don't want to tell people that their grandparents back home are likely terrorists? Do people still say they are "Mongolian" or "Roman" because their ancentors were part of those empires? Why don't Persians just own up to what they really are?
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Many Iranians consider themselves Persian because they willingly left or fled the country prior to 1979 or shortly there after when the Shah's reign ended and the government as they knew it collapsed.

It's a Persian thing I guess - perhaps it's pride for what once was and not for what has become.
 
Besides - do you call Rugs Persian or Iranian?

You would never purchase an antique Iranian rug - *SNARF*

I do get a chuckle when people just don't know where "Persia" is.....

I also must confess when some people ask "what ARE you" - I will tell them IRANIAN (pronounced correctly) and it makes them uncomfortable.

Which of course I follow up with AND German.

:evil:
 
velvett said:
Besides - do you call Rugs Persian or Iranian?

You would never purchase an antique Iranian rug - *SNARF*

I do get a chuckle when people just don't know where "Persia" is.....

I also must confess when some people ask "what ARE you" - I will tell them IRANIAN (pronounced correctly) and it makes them uncomfortable.

Which of course I follow up with AND German.

:evil:
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that's exactly my point!

You know how you can have an Oriental Rug, but PEOPLE can't be Oriental.

Same should work with Persian right? It can refer to goods and services but it shouldn't be used when talking about people.
 
Y_lifter said:
Or maybe you do it to set peoples expectations that what you are going to say is totally tard..
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Expectations... thats the key word here... Set them up and then pwnd them with my quick wit and my smarts... not to mention my firm breastests and tight ass....

thanks
 
velvett said:
Besides - do you call Rugs Persian or Iranian?

You would never purchase an antique Iranian rug - *SNARF*

I do get a chuckle when people just don't know where "Persia" is.....

I also must confess when some people ask "what ARE you" - I will tell them IRANIAN (pronounced correctly) and it makes them uncomfortable.

Which of course I follow up with AND German.

:evil:
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I have a horse named Hitler... are you Hitler?

I love these morons, really I do... they make me feel smart and all that good stuff.. make me tingle inside. ;)
 
Lestat said:
that's exactly my point!

You know how you can have an Oriental Rug, but PEOPLE can't be Oriental.

Same should work with Persian right? It can refer to goods and services but it shouldn't be used when talking about people.
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Well no.

Oriental Rug refers to many types of rugs from different parts of the world that may be catergorized under the umbrella of Oriental. (Really out of ignorance much like we refer to people of almond eyes and yellow skin to be "Oriental" because us white people don't know their specific origin of birth or heritage.) While a Persian rugs refer to a place and time - even a new Perisian rug based on an antique is still a Persian rug. Don't ever mistake a Pakistan rug for a Persian.... (but that's another story)

Very Brief History Lesson.

The Shah (King) was overthrown in 1979 by the Islamic Revolution and Persia became the The Islamic Republic of Iran. If anyone took the time to do some reading or research on Iran (Or Persia before it became Iran) one would not have to ask why someone would proudly refer to themselevs as Persian.

People often confuse Religion and Country - which is most unfortunate.
Actually the negative aspect of many religions and their followers is more unfortunate and seems to in my mind destroy the positive.

Take Jewish people for example - being "jewish" doesn't make you from a specific country and being Iranian or Persian don't make you an Islamic following Terrorist.

Being from Isreal or from an Arab Country is like being from NY, NJ, CT or PA ... would one make the same assumptions about people from these states?

I think not.
 
Lestat, I am sorry for what I said to you. I was wrong and I shouldn't have done it, and I apologize.
I was just sick and tired of all that BS of 'my religion is better than yours' and I lost my temper.
If you believe in a God, any God, then you believe that one God created this whole universe. That one God created all human beings, no matter what our shade of skin.
Why would God the Creator hate any of His/Her creations?
Most of my life, I was athiest, a rebel against God. I couldn't understand why would God create so much injustice and misery in his world. That is exactly how a very famous rebellious Muslim poet described his feelings about God. He went even a step further and wrote:
'He takes revenge (the day of the judgement), God is indeed small. God is the fake jewelry that has no gold in it. SHK (his name) doesn't take revenge. God is even smaller than SHK.'
A few years ago, it suddenly dawned to me that how could this huge universe can come into being without a Creator?
Fortunately, just around that time, I discovered Sufis or Sufiism.
Sufis are Muslims who literally have this faith: When there was nothing, there was God. Nothing could be created from nothing. So the whole universe, everything, was created FROM God. Sufis don't fear but they love their Creator. If you really love your Creator, you also have to love all of His creations.
They go one step further: God is everywhere and God is in everything. The only thing separating you from your Creator is your sense of 'me' - your ego. Destroy it, and you would become part of Him, not in the afterward but in this world: 'Annhilation in God', that is their objective.
That is why they are one of the most tolerant among most religions.

And do you know 70-80% Muslims are the followers of the Sufis?
Why you don't see that on TV? They don't say shocking things to make it 'news-worthy'.
Probaly when someone says that my religion is better than yours, the person is actually saying that I am better than you. Faith has nothing to do with it.
 
LoneTree said:
Lestat, I am sorry for what I said to you. I was wrong and I shouldn't have done it, and I apologize.
I was just sick and tired of all that BS of 'my religion is better than yours' and I lost my temper.
If you believe in a God, any God, then you believe that one God created this whole universe. That one God created all human beings, no matter what our shade of skin.
Why would God the Creator hate any of His/Her creations?
Most of my life, I was athiest, a rebel against God. I couldn't understand why would God create so much injustice and misery in his world. That is exactly how a very famous rebellious Muslim poet described his feelings about God. He went even a step further and wrote:
'He takes revenge (the day of the judgement), God is indeed small. God is the fake jewelry that has no gold in it. SHK (his name) doesn't take revenge. God is even smaller than SHK.'
A few years ago, it suddenly dawned to me that how could this huge universe can come into being without a Creator?
Fortunately, just around that time, I discovered Sufis or Sufiism.
Sufis are Muslims who literally have this faith: When there was nothing, there was God. Nothing could be created from nothing. So the whole universe, everything, was created FROM God. Sufis don't fear but they love their Creator. If you really love your Creator, you also have to love all of His creations.
They go one step further: God is everywhere and God is in everything. The only thing separating you from your Creator is your sense of 'me' - your ego. Destroy it, and you would become part of Him, not in the afterward but in this world: 'Annhilation in God', that is their objective.
That is why they are one of the most tolerant among most religions.

And do you know 70-80% Muslims are the followers of the Sufis?
Why you don't see that on TV? They don't say shocking things to make it 'news-worthy'.
Probaly when someone says that my religion is better than yours, the person is actually saying that I am better than you. Faith has nothing to do with it.
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apology accepted.

I went for a nice 4 mile run along the beach today, then stopped, sat on the sand, and watched the sun go down.

I thought a lot of "god" or the idea of god. I can't say how everything came to be, but I can say there are a lot of amazing things in the world, this universe, but to me that doesn't prove that there is a god, it proves that things are amazing.

"Nature" could be god, energy could be god, who knows, but from my perspective it just seems ridiculous to see man try time after time after time to put a box around god, define god, tell us his nature, his will, his personality and demeanor, to me that seems just preposterous, but that is just me. Of course the religious types will tell you that god speaks to us and tells us these things. Well, here's an idea, if god is almighty and create all this wonderful amazing greatness, then god sure as hell can tell people EXACTLY what he would like them to know, and not speak in parables, metaphors and extremely cryptic messages. Maybe the whole jesus thing didn't work out quite as planned, why not try something again, but this time make it so that there will be no doubt? Nah, that would just be too easy I suppose.
 
LoneTree said:
If you believe in a God, any God, then you believe that one God created this whole universe. That one God created all human beings, no matter what our shade of skin.
Why would God the Creator hate any of His/Her creations?
Most of my life, I was athiest, a rebel against God. I couldn't understand why would God create so much injustice and misery in his world. That is exactly how a very famous rebellious Muslim poet described his feelings about God. He went even a step further and wrote:
'He takes revenge (the day of the judgement), God is indeed small. God is the fake jewelry that has no gold in it. SHK (his name) doesn't take revenge. God is even smaller than SHK.'
A few years ago, it suddenly dawned to me that how could this huge universe can come into being without a Creator?
Fortunately, just around that time, I discovered Sufis or Sufiism.
Sufis are Muslims who literally have this faith: When there was nothing, there was God. Nothing could be created from nothing. So the whole universe, everything, was created FROM God. Sufis don't fear but they love their Creator. If you really love your Creator, you also have to love all of His creations.
They go one step further: God is everywhere and God is in everything. The only thing separating you from your Creator is your sense of 'me' - your ego. Destroy it, and you would become part of Him, not in the afterward but in this world: 'Annhilation in God', that is their objective.
That is why they are one of the most tolerant among most religions.

And do you know 70-80% Muslims are the followers of the Sufis?
Why you don't see that on TV? They don't say shocking things to make it 'news-worthy'.
Probaly when someone says that my religion is better than yours, the person is actually saying that I am better than you. Faith has nothing to do with it.
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I'd say faith has everything to do with it as it's impossible to settle the question of god/gods empirically or logically so it boils down to belief or lack thereof in the absence of compelling evidence or convincing logic.

Personally I believe in a 23 foot tall badger called Simon. We Siminionities are also very tolerant of other religions however we still think ours is better than yours because if it wasn't we wouldn't have anything to believe in.
 
JayC9 said:
Personally I believe in a 23 foot tall badger called Simon. We Siminionities are also very tolerant of other religions however we still think ours is better than yours because if it wasn't we wouldn't have anything to believe in.
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I like to call my 23 foot badger, Peter.

We think we are better than you Siminionites, but we usually keep that to ourselves.

All Hail Peter the Badger! Hail! Hail!
 
Y_lifter said:
I'm thinking that the fertile crescent covers enough area and is so
old of a term that I'm fairly safe with my post.
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The term "Fertile Crescent" is usually associated with Mesopotamia, which is present-day Iraq, but the whole crescent included Egypt and the Levant.

I think you're fairly not safe at all.

fertile%20crescent.jpg


^^Note that the green area does not include Iran^^
 
Mr. dB said:
The term "Fertile Crescent" is usually associated with Mesopotamia, which is present-day Iraq, but the whole crescent included Egypt and the Levant.

I think you're fairly not safe at all.
fertile%20crescent.jpg

^^Note that the green area does not include Iran^^
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Damn, you mean you're not gonna spot me a couple of hundred miles
on this ? Harsh...
 
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"Egypt was old, older than any culture known at the time. It was already old when the political policy of the future Roman Empire was being formed in the first meetings on the Capitoline Hill. It was already old and blighted when the Germans and Celts of the north European forest were still hunting bears. When the first dynasty came into power about five thousand years ago . . . marvelous cultural forms had already been evolved in the land of the Nile. And when the twenty-sixth dynasty died out, still five hundred years seperated Europian history from our era. The Libyans ruled the land, then the Ethiopians, the Assyrians, the Persians, the Greeks, the Romans -- all before the star shone over the stable at Bethlehem."
-C. W. Ceram,​
Gods, Graves and Scholars (1951)​

This topic reminded me of this quote I read not too long ago. The past is an elusive concept to grasp.
 
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