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[edzilla]

i will be doing a 6 wk prop cycle @ 600 mg/wk. i will also be using nolva on cycle to combat gyno.

i already have some slight testicular atrophy so i want to save the nuts on this cycle. since in the past for not researching enough i ended up not using hcg post cycle nor on cycle and i am now suffering for it. i did use clomid and nolvadex though so i have a normal tt level and free testosterone level, but my sperm count is low when i checked it this past week. it was at 5 mill/mL. everything else in my sperm is good though morphology, ph ect. i wanted to use hcg at 250 i.u.'s every 4 days during the course of the cycle to prevent atrophy but i am concerned about leydig cell desensitization because i will be using it for pct as well. at the dosage that is below. im thinking about not using it during the cycle since it might cause this and since this is a relatively short cycle even though the dosage is borderline high if i suffer from any further testicular atrophy the hcg that i use post cycle may bring back testicular volume and thus spermatogenesis. i will also be using vit E at 1000 iu/day since it increases the responsiveness of plasma test levels to hcg. but there is still the problem of the estrogen caused by the hcg-stimulated surge in testosterone. to help with this i will be using an aromatase inhibitor such as aromasin, because it’s an aromatase inactivator, meaning it makes estrogen receptors useless, and instead of just inhibiting production (as an anti-aromatase would do) it cuts off production totally. Aromasin can also cause androgenic sides, which may help to elevate my mood while you are on pct. i will be taking that @ 25mg/day for 4 wks. what do you all think about how i am constructing this?


i will start this 1 day aftetr my last shot: 1,000 IUs hcg 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs nolva ED for the first 3 weeks, Aromasin @ 25 mg/day for first 4 wks, and 1000iu's of vit. e/day for the first 3 wks. After, discontinue hcg and continue with 20 mgs nolva ED for an additional 3 weeks.

 

[edzilla]

cmon someone has got to know what im talking about. and don't try to sell me any supplements im just trying to find out if im doing this pct the right way.

 

[joe d]

i will be doing a 6 wk prop cycle @ 600 mg/wk. i will also be using nolva on cycle to combat gyno.

i already have some slight testicular atrophy so i want to save the nuts on this cycle. since in the past for not researching enough i ended up not using hcg post cycle nor on cycle and i am now suffering for it. i did use clomid and nolvadex though so i have a normal tt level and free testosterone level, but my sperm count is low when i checked it this past week. it was at 5 mill/mL. everything else in my sperm is good though morphology, ph ect. i wanted to use hcg at 250 i.u.'s every 4 days during the course of the cycle to prevent atrophy but i am concerned about leydig cell desensitization because i will be using it for pct as well. at the dosage that is below. im thinking about not using it during the cycle since it might cause this and since this is a relatively short cycle even though the dosage is borderline high if i suffer from any further testicular atrophy the hcg that i use post cycle may bring back testicular volume and thus spermatogenesis. i will also be using vit E at 1000 iu/day since it increases the responsiveness of plasma test levels to hcg. but there is still the problem of the estrogen caused by the hcg-stimulated surge in testosterone. to help with this i will be using an aromatase inhibitor such as aromasin, because it’s an aromatase inactivator, meaning it makes estrogen receptors useless, and instead of just inhibiting production (as an anti-aromatase would do) it cuts off production totally. Aromasin can also cause androgenic sides, which may help to elevate my mood while you are on pct. i will be taking that @ 25mg/day for 4 wks. what do you all think about how i am constructing this?


i will start this 1 day aftetr my last shot: 1,000 IUs hcg 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs nolva ED for the first 3 weeks, Aromasin @ 25 mg/day for first 4 wks, and 1000iu's of vit. e/day for the first 3 wks. After, discontinue hcg and continue with 20 mgs nolva ED for an additional 3 weeks.

run the hcg starting the same day as your last shot. run it 1000iu eod for 10 days (5000iu total). then the day after your last hcg shot start pct.

 

[edzilla]

run the hcg starting the same day as your last shot. run it 1000iu eod for 10 days (5000iu total). then the day after your last hcg shot start pct.

1.but if i run it without the aromasin i will have the estrogen issue caused by the surge in testosterone from the hcg.

2.why not use the nolva from the start of the hcg administration to get your lh and fsh up in addition to fixing the leydig cells that atrophied with the hcg?

 

[goal245]

1.but if i run it without the aromasin i will have the estrogen issue caused by the surge in testosterone from the hcg.

I would run the aromasin on cycle at 12.5mg EOD and keep running it for 2 weeks after your last shot. 25mg/day will be overkill and low estrogen levels have some nasty sides. Do what joe d suggested for the HCG

 

[lander2312]

yep what they said

 

[edzilla]

goal245:

should i start the nolva when i start the hcg? it makes sense to do so....if no then why?

your input on the aromasin makes sense thanks...have you ran it like this before? if so with what cycle?

 

[joe d]

yes use the aromasin on cycle and past. 12.5mg ed should be good. save the nolv for pct.

 

[edzilla]

thanks for your input joe d. but do you mean 12.5 mg eod? and why should'nt i start the nolva when i start the hcg?

 

[joe d]

because the aromasin will control the estrogen and the hcg will jumpstart the production alone. after that is when you need the pct. the hcg will still be in effect for a few days of the pct where the nolva and or clomid will take over. i dont think you would suffer from any adverse reactions if you ran the nolva with it but it wouldnt help any, and if its not needed you shouldnt run it.