Experienced advice needed after talking to Dr.

[returnofthdragon]

I was preparing to start my first cycle soon I was letting a ligament tear finish healing and trying to lower bf% a little. I was shooting for starting in 1-2 weeks. I had a physical last week and my hdl was a little low. It's genetic, inherited from my dad. My doc wants to start me on Advicore and have me check my cholesterol and liver again in two months. If I'm on aas, will that blow the test? Do I need to wait? I know aas isn't particularly good for blood lipids and I've considered it. My ldl isn't high, my ldl is better than my dads, who is on several drugs. I do plan on using nolva and/or maybe torem as part of PCT. Has anyone used cholesterol meds while on aas? Would it help to take one or both on cycle? Because of tearing a ligament off of my right thumb, I've already waited a month. I wanted to get started this summer!!!


Planned cycle 10-12 wks 500 test/week
age: 34
height: 5"8
Weight: 210
Training: 19? years

 

[downunder hunter]

I would wait until after you have a follow up with your doc too even start thinking about steroids.

 

[joe d]

my guess here is that aas will not go well with cholesterol issues. talk to your doctor.

 

[returnofthdragon]

I did a lot of searching threads last night and I found many, many people that take aas and are on statins much stronger than the one I'm prescribed. Most of them have double or triple my total cholesterol. That made me feel a little better.

 

[C0LUMB0]

its hard to wait bro when you are ready to pull the trigger and start your cycle......
i have just waited 8 weeks for a tendon injury to heal.
my advice would be to wait another couple of weeks and dont mix your prescription with the juice...

a few more weeks will let you heal up nicely and it would probably be a total waste if your injury flares up mid-cycle.

good luck.

 

[stevesmi]

I did a lot of searching threads last night and I found many, many people that take aas and are on statins much stronger than the one I'm prescribed. Most of them have double or triple my total cholesterol. That made me feel a little better.

you can also smoke and drink yourself to sleep every night and still take aas also. doesn't make it right.

you want to take steroids to better your body, yet you lack the proper diet... i dont see how you can blame your dad for your cholesterol issues. everyone in my family has diabetes, high bp, cholesterol, the works.. cuz their diet stinks and they dont exercise pure and simple. i dont have a problem with any of them cuz my diet is clean...

you want experienced advice and I will give you some. get your diet and cholesterol in check before messing with steroids.

the whole genetics excuse is just fat people who want to justify their weight. when you are in the supermarket and you see a fat mom and dad with their 2 fat kids, its not genetics. just look in their shopping cart and look at what they are eating. not a single fruit or veggie... milk, bacon, meats, pizza, mac and cheese, fried chicken.

its the crappy food, not the genetics. notice the people who shop in places like whole foods look good, and the people who shop at super walmart look like crap. cant tell me if those walmart people started to eat at whole foods you wouldn't see a diff

 

[returnofthdragon]

you can also smoke and drink yourself to sleep every night and still take aas also. doesn't make it right.

you want to take steroids to better your body, yet you lack the proper diet... i dont see how you can blame your dad for your cholesterol issues. everyone in my family has diabetes, high bp, cholesterol, the works.. cuz their diet stinks and they dont exercise pure and simple. i dont have a problem with any of them cuz my diet is clean...

you want experienced advice and I will give you some. get your diet and cholesterol in check before messing with steroids.

the whole genetics excuse is just fat people who want to justify their weight. when you are in the supermarket and you see a fat mom and dad with their 2 fat kids, its not genetics. just look in their shopping cart and look at what they are eating. not a single fruit or veggie... milk, bacon, meats, pizza, mac and cheese, fried chicken.

its the crappy food, not the genetics. notice the people who shop in places like whole foods look good, and the people who shop at super walmart look like crap. cant tell me if those walmart people started to eat at whole foods you wouldn't see a diff

I appreciate the attempt at help, but appear grossly uneducated. I do eat clean. I'm not fat. No one in my family is fat. I when I'm out of shape I look like your pic. I've done much better without aas. Try to educate yourself a bit before giving advice. You should google cholesterol and genetics and try to learn something. Here's just a little of what you can find in under 30 seconds.

he genetics of familial hypercholesterolaemia
Cholesterol is delivered to cells via the bloodstream. Normally, the tiny particles of LDL cholesterol attach to ‘receptor’ sites on the targeted cells and are then absorbed. A gene on chromosome 19, called the LDLR gene, controls the production of these receptors. Familial hypercholesterolaemia is due to a mutation of the LDLR gene that changes the way the receptors develop, either in number or structure. This means that LDL cholesterol is not well absorbed into cells, and remains circulating in the blood. High blood cholesterol is a risk factor in coronary artery disease, because it sticks to the artery walls, produces fatty plaques and narrows the diameter of the arteries (atherosclerosis).

Pattern of inheritance
Familial hypercholesterolaemia is an autosomal dominant disorder. In the great majority of cases, the gene is inherited from just one parent; very rarely, it is inherited from both.

One parent
If one parent has one mutated gene and one normal gene in the pair, each child of this parent has a 50 per cent chance of inheriting the mutated gene. The risk of developing early coronary artery disease depends on the gender of the child:

• Around 50 per cent of males who inherit the genetic mutation from this parent will develop coronary artery disease before the age of 50 years.
• All of the affected male children of this parent will develop heart disease by the age of 70 years.
• About 85 per cent of affected male children of this parent will have a heart attack before the age of 60 years.
• Around 12 per cent of females who inherit the genetic mutation from this parent will develop coronary artery disease before the age of 50 years, and 74 per cent by the age of 70 years.

 

[footdoc]

Most internal medicine doctors think that everyone should be on statins. They are a great drug. Just get your liver checked after about 3 months and if everything is ok then every six months after that. Go ahead with your cycle

 

[skinsfan]

I was preparing to start my first cycle soon I was letting a ligament tear finish healing and trying to lower bf% a little. I was shooting for starting in 1-2 weeks. I had a physical last week and my hdl was a little low. It's genetic, inherited from my dad. My doc wants to start me on Advicore and have me check my cholesterol and liver again in two months. If I'm on aas, will that blow the test? Do I need to wait? I know aas isn't particularly good for blood lipids and I've considered it. My ldl isn't high, my ldl is better than my dads, who is on several drugs. I do plan on using nolva and/or maybe torem as part of PCT. Has anyone used cholesterol meds while on aas? Would it help to take one or both on cycle? Because of tearing a ligament off of my right thumb, I've already waited a month. I wanted to get started this summer!!!


Planned cycle 10-12 wks 500 test/week
age: 34
height: 5"8
Weight: 210
Training: 19? years

Well I'm living proof that (at least for me) Test E at 500mgs/wk doesn't mess up my cholesterol levels. If you can check my post history I posted some lab results from a Life insurance exam I took when I was quite a bit into my 500mg/wk cycle (the post was like maybe two weeks ago?). Anyway my cholesterol and triglyceride levels were really good. It's possible that they are even better when I'm not on AAS, but I don't have a test from pre-cycle to confirm/deny that.

My diet is spot fucking on though and besides some supplements I eat less than 10g of dietary fat everyday which might contribute a bit to my low cholesterol/triglyceride levels.

 

[eClenbuterol]

I would wait until after you have a follow up with your doc too even start thinking about steroids.

I agree 100%

 

[returnofthdragon]

Well I'm living proof that (at least for me) Test E at 500mgs/wk doesn't mess up my cholesterol levels. If you can check my post history I posted some lab results from a Life insurance exam I took when I was quite a bit into my 500mg/wk cycle (the post was like maybe two weeks ago?). Anyway my cholesterol and triglyceride levels were really good. It's possible that they are even better when I'm not on AAS, but I don't have a test from pre-cycle to confirm/deny that.

My diet is spot fucking on though and besides some supplements I eat less than 10g of dietary fat everyday which might contribute a bit to my low cholesterol/triglyceride levels.

Do you take an SERMs or Anti-e's during your cycle?

Really my cholesterol isn't high at all, it's just the low hdl they don't like. The statins are to lower the ldl and improve my ratio. Several men in my family have poor hdl. I first noticed it during college when I had nothing better to do than spend hours a day at the gym and like you ate almost nothing that contained fat or sugar and very little simple carbs. I'm stuck with poor hdl. I just don't want to set off any alarms when I get checked again in two months, or make my cholesterol take a turn for the worse.

 

[stevesmi]

I appreciate the attempt at help, but appear grossly uneducated. I do eat clean. I'm not fat. No one in my family is fat. I when I'm out of shape I look like your pic. I've done much better without aas. Try to educate yourself a bit before giving advice. You should google cholesterol and genetics and try to learn something. Here's just a little of what you can find in under 30 seconds.

he genetics of familial hypercholesterolaemia
Cholesterol is delivered to cells via the bloodstream. Normally, the tiny particles of LDL cholesterol attach to ‘receptor’ sites on the targeted cells and are then absorbed. A gene on chromosome 19, called the LDLR gene, controls the production of these receptors. Familial hypercholesterolaemia is due to a mutation of the LDLR gene that changes the way the receptors develop, either in number or structure. This means that LDL cholesterol is not well absorbed into cells, and remains circulating in the blood. High blood cholesterol is a risk factor in coronary artery disease, because it sticks to the artery walls, produces fatty plaques and narrows the diameter of the arteries (atherosclerosis).

Pattern of inheritance
Familial hypercholesterolaemia is an autosomal dominant disorder. In the great majority of cases, the gene is inherited from just one parent; very rarely, it is inherited from both.

One parent



If one parent has one mutated gene and one normal gene in the pair, each child of this parent has a 50 per cent chance of inheriting the mutated gene. The risk of developing early coronary artery disease depends on the gender of the child:

• Around 50 per cent of males who inherit the genetic mutation from this parent will develop coronary artery disease before the age of 50 years.
• All of the affected male children of this parent will develop heart disease by the age of 70 years.
• About 85 per cent of affected male children of this parent will have a heart attack before the age of 60 years.
• Around 12 per cent of females who inherit the genetic mutation from this parent will develop coronary artery disease before the age of 50 years, and 74 per cent by the age of 70 years.

put up a pic bro. and if the whole genetics thing is true then you probably are better served sticking to what you are doing now and not doing steroids cause genetically its not a good idea for you. in all seriousness you are making a moutain out of a molehill if your top line cholesterol is okay i wouldn't worry about hdl but keep it monitored, steroids will hurt your hdl numbers but that is how it goes.

personally i think the genetics thing is a bunch of bullshit and overblown, yes there is a genetic element but its not so huge that it cant be overcome. doctors always want to blame genetics cause they are taught that in med school, they aren't taught diet and exercise.

for example i know a moron with bladder cancer that smokes 4 packs a day and drinks 3 packs of beer per day and blames his cancer on genetics. his doctors wont tell him to quit smoking or lay off the beer, thats why our medical system is a joke in the US. they want to blame everything on genetics. I am a testament to crippling the genetics myth, i could just let myself go and get diabetes, cholesterol, etc etc. and then be like that guy and blame it all on genetics too. but i choose not to and take personal responsibility for my body.

again those stats dont take into consideration what i wrote before. bad habits by parents turn into bad habits by kids. parents that eat trash, feed their own kids trash as well. a kid that watches daddy beat mommy will probably grow up and beat his future gf/wife as well. i'm sure doctors will blame spousal abuse on genetics also.

the bottom line is DO NOT LET this genetic thing get into your head. 'oh my daddy is small so i can never lift big'.. get that bs out of your head and just lift like there is no tomorow.

 

[skinsfan]

Do you take an SERMs or Anti-e's during your cycle?

Really my cholesterol isn't high at all, it's just the low hdl they don't like. The statins are to lower the ldl and improve my ratio. Several men in my family have poor hdl. I first noticed it during college when I had nothing better to do than spend hours a day at the gym and like you ate almost nothing that contained fat or sugar and very little simple carbs. I'm stuck with poor hdl. I just don't want to set off any alarms when I get checked again in two months, or make my cholesterol take a turn for the worse.

I always take liquidex when I'm on cycle. I also take wheat grass powder, some omega oils, green tea extract, and 10grams of CLA daily.