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Executing the Snatch

Arioch

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Thought I would add this while I was at it. Hopefully I will have a life soon.

Executing the snatch. Note that much of the set up is similar to that of the clean. There are two reasons for this. One: The aspects of smooth separation from the deck, rebend, explosion, and other aspects of the pull are very much the same. The other reason is that I cut and pasted a bunch of it to avoid re-typing. So what.

Set up for the snatch: Feet about shoulder width apart, with the toes turned slightly outward. The set up should be like the most powerful set up for a vertical leap. Shins should be almost touching the bar, and the bar should be over the metarso-phalangeal joint of the feet (where the toes join the foot). Arch the back. Grip should be wide, the smaller the angle between the arms and the bar, the wider the hand spacing. The mean angle between the arms and the bar is 56 degrees. In the snatch, the hip angle is smaller and the knee angle is greater with respect to the clean. Use a hook grip. Make sure the arms are straight, flex the triceps if necessary, as pulling with bent arms can lead to elbow injuries and bicep tears. The shoulders should be either directly above or slightly in front of the bar. Look upward only slightly. (see figure 1)

1st pull: Begin by straightening the legs, which will cause the torso to lean forward a little and the shoulders to move farther in front of the bar. The knee angle is an average of 90 degrees at the instant of barbell separation. Maintain the arch in your back at all times. The head will move back to a vertical position. Smoothly pull the bar from the deck and begin to accelerate it. The bar will continue to accelerate even after the legs have been straightened. The barbell should move toward you slightly, more in the snatch than in the clean. 4cm for an athlete 150cm tall, 8cm for a 170cm athlete, and 12 cm for a 190cm athlete. The end of the first phase occurs when the barbell is, on average, at a height equal to 35% of your height. This is usually at the lower one third of the thigh. The torso is normally inclined 30 degrees with respect to the platform at this point, the hip angle is between 85 – 90 degrees. This normally takes between .4 - .55 seconds. The bar should be traveling at a speed of 1.3m/s for a 150 cm athlete, 1.45m/s for a 170cm athlete, and 1.6m/s for a 190cm athlete. This will occur when the bar is usually at the lower 1/3 of the thigh. (this will end just after figure 2)

Rebend: Continue to straighten the torso, and rebend the knees slightly, this should occur immediately following the above process. The knee angle at the start of the rebend should be about 145 – 150 degrees. The rebend will continue with the knees traveling forward until the angle has decreased to 120-125 degrees. The shins should be inclined toward the platform approximately 70 – 75 degrees, and the torso about 58 degrees as it continues to straighten during this phase. The hip angle is about 105-110 degrees. The shoulders should be slightly in front of the bar, about 4% of the athlete’s height. This entire phase takes about .1 - .15 seconds. The bar has only traveled to mid-thigh at this point. (see figure three).

2nd pull: This is when the explosion should take place. (the shoulder girdle, bar, and metarso-phalangeal joints should all be in the same horizontal plane) Jump, violently straightening the legs and torso, rising onto the toes and shrugging as hard and quickly as possible. Remember that the explosion occurs just after rebending the knees, and it does not take long (.15 - .25 seconds). The barbell will shift away from the athlete during this phase, 2cm for a 150cm athlete, 3cm for a 170cm athlete, and 4cm for a 190cm athlete. The barbell should have achieved a speed of 1.725m/s for a 150cm athlete, 1.85m/s for a 170cm athlete, and 1.975 for a 190cm athlete. It can have reached a height of 65 +/- 3.8% of the lifters height. (this will end at figure 4)

Pulling under the bar: Pull on the bar slightly as it is rising to help pull both it towards you and yourself toward the barbell, while squatting down as quickly as possible. In theory, you are trying to exert some sort of force on the bar at all times, and maintain control. The first portion of this is where the feet remain on the platform while the knees and hips begin to bend. This takes btween .05 and .1 seconds. The feet are then thrust from the platform. During this phase, it is possible to raise the bar another 2.5 cm through the use of the arms while pulling under the bar. The thrusting of the feet from the platform and rearranging the legs should take no more than .15 - .33 seconds. As in the clean, the heels are under the hip joints and the toes are turned to the side. The lower back is arched and the torso is tilted forward, more than in the clean. The shoulder blades are flat and the arms are straight, while the head is tilted forward. During this portion of the lift, the bar will move backward, then down. Typically 5 – 9% of an athlete’s height. (see figure five)

When receiving the snatch, the bar is in line with the hips at the bottom. This means that it will be behind the head, which takes some time to adjust to. To minimize stress on both the shoulders and the elbows, the elbows should be rotated forward/outward as much as possible. When rising from the bottom of a snatch, first the hips will travel back while the shoulders move forward, although only slightly. To maintain tension in not only the arms while rising, but the upper back as well, concentrate on trying to pull the bar apart with the hands.(see figure six)
 
OK Arioch here is what i need to know before I go back to my training on monday you know what my workout looks like now, hell everyone on the boards do b/c I posted it. What i would like to know is since i do my ME lift for cleans the day right after dynamic bench should i just leave out my shoulder work on bench day and do my shoulder work on ME cleans since I'll either be doing snatch's or hang cleans or high pulls for triples. With high pulls if i do them should I be spliting like I do for cleans or should I just stay standing???? Now for snatch's what i've been doing is coming from the ground barely jumping or exploding and bringing my arms straight out in front of me then the bar over my head. according to the pics it'd be like going from the ground to the one that he has the bar over his head but with out standing up it's like a hop from the ground enough that i just move my legs and bring the bar overhead. I believe I only did this with 95lbs and it almost fell on my head.

One thing that has nothing to do with this, why is it that for about 4 weeks my best push press for a triple has been 175 and when i try for 180 i fail on the first one. How can i bring up shoulder strength b/c if i can't push press or split jerk it, it makes no sense to clean it.
 
For your purposes at this point, you should start just like figure three. Jump and pull in as straight a line as possible. The elbows must be rotated outward. When you have pulled to the point where your upper arm is parallel to the deck, you then begin to rotate your arms at the shoulder joint, not before. Also, when you catch it, you should decend into no more than a quarter squat.

I believe there was some discussion about the cuban press on here. This exercise was taken from the snatch, and is a good idea of how to rotate through the middle of the pull.
 
Also, yes, do them after your cleans, and skip the specific shoulder work on bench day. Your shoulders will be getting plenty of work on practically every training day.
 
OK so to get this straight take out any shoulder workout on my bench days including cuban rotations and just do cleans or ME for cleans and hang snatchs on my ME clean day for shoulder workout. Should I only do this on my ME day or dynamic cleans day too.
 
For now do it on both days to work on technique. Yes, I am bringing up technique a lot, but then beginneres really need to work on it. But then so do intermediate and advanced lifters. Traditionally, the snatch is taught first, and this will help your clean, particularly your second pull.
 
Thanks arioch now since westside goes about training extra lifts and lifts every 2-3 weeks what should i do when it comes time to change. Or should I just keep practicing and is there any % of weight I should use sets and reps for this so I'll know not to mess up.
 
Just start with the bar, and add five pounds every workout. This may not sound like much, but in six weeks you will be over 100 lbs. Once again, you are working more on learning technique at first.
 
So basically each time I do it add 5lbs then work up from the point I can't add 5lbs. So for sets and reps what should i do just like 4 sets of 6 or 8 something like that or is that too much.
 
Start out with sets of no more than five. When it gets heavy (bar speed slows) drop the reps. I usually do sets of two or three, but up to ten sets, depending on several factors, such as how my shoulders feel and how tired I am.
 
So basically go from 5 sets then pyramid it by the weight. I can do that. Well today I did bar for 1st and 2nd set 6 times and then I did with 65lbs on it for my 3rd and 4th set. I like snatching better than cleaning. Maybe it's because it's something new. I'll do them again on friday and let you know how they go. For my ME today I did power high pulls which is doing a high pull from the ground and I don't know what the fuck happened, but i couldn't even high pull 175 from the ground. It's like as the days go by my cleans suck more and more. What's up with that.
 
I have no idea what the problem is. That is the problem. It is more than like one of two things:

1. Technique, but then I can not see what you are doing wrong.

2. Possibly you are either trying to hard (worrying) or overtraining for this particular movement. As you have said that you have taken some time off, I do not think that it is this one.

You could get a bunch of pics taken of your clean.
 
I don't know what it is either my coach says I have to explode more from the ground and learn to finish my high pull and throw my hips. And i'm trying SOOO HARD to do this and it's not happening for me. When I get down to clean I think Deadlift, high pull, drop, front squat. And then it doesn't happen that way.
 
The problem is that you should not be exploding from the ground, you pull from the deck. The explosion takes place at the initiation of the second pull. Getting the hips into it is a function of the jump phase of the pull following the rebend. This will give both the bar some additional height, as well as you some extra time to pull under the bar.
 
Well I don't know whats up then b/c a friend of mine listens to my coach and cleans 275 and explodes from the ground. He weighs 220 5 10 17 yrs old. he started cleaning 215 11 weeks ago. mine have stayed the same for 11 weeks. And I stil don't know what I'm doing.
 
And I stil don't know what I'm doing.

This is the problem.

I seem to recall reading that your reps are rather high. Anything over five is a waste of time. If you want to do a lot of reps, do a lot of sets with a low number of reps. If you can clean the weight six times, it is far too light at this point, unless you are doing it as a Max Accel exercise, in which case the reps should still be kept to about two, but do 10 or so sets.
 
Also, you cannot judge your progress by what someone else does. The first time I ever deadlifted, I pulled triple bodyweight.

Note that I rarely discuss my bench.

I do not compare my progress in either lift to anyone else, just myself.





"Today is victory over yourself of yesterday. Tomorrow is victory over lesser men." - Miyamoto Musashi
 
Well today I did snatchs again and since it looked like I had good form i brought the weight up and did a set of 6 with 95lbs. I should have done about 6 sets of 4-2 right instead of 4 sets of 6. I'll keep that in mind for next week and change it over the weekend.
 
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