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GoldenDelicious

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hi guys, i have been looking at a lot of testosterone cycles run by guys on the boards, and notice that the doses used (300mg/week and up) cause massive accumulation of test a few weeks into the cycle (ie blood levels that would be equivalent to a single first dose of over 1500mg)

now i also hear a lot of guys saying things like "the test will kick in after week 2,3,4" or whatever, and it really is pointing in the direction of reasonably high doses of test being responsible for the gains made

could you guys chime in with what dose you were using (or a 'friend' was using) of test, at what frequency, and when exactly the gains started really coming in fast? (ie week 3 big spike in gains or whatever)

feel free to chat on what you think was fluid, and what you think was muscle, or just copious amounts of half digested food and unexcreted crap)

the reason im asking is because im becoming quite interested in short, very high dose sust cycles, with a few jabs of a short ester in week 3 or so, meaning pct will start about 4 weeks after the initial jab (professional interest)

cheers :)
 
My "friend" took sust for a 6 week cycle. 1cc Every 4 days and had results out of this world. Just using him as a reference, showing that alittle bit of sust does wonders.
 
His height is 5'11-6'0
His weight was 185 now roughly 200
He used 10 amps of sustenon 250 e4d for 40 days
his gains were alittle more than 10 lbs in bodyweight but his strength went through the roof he was maxing around 305 on bench and he went to around 345-355 about 4 weeks into his cycle. His apperence has changed tremedously as well.
Amazingly, this cycle was close to the beginning of the year and he still has most of his size and is continuing to get stonger he is repping with 335 in sets of 5, havent got his new max yet. His strength gains were pretty consistant, started alittle sluggish but about 3 weeks in he went nuts. I hope this helped out. Good luck!!!
 
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do you mean prop and not sust? You'll start noticing prop in either week one or two. Sust, enan, and cyp should be used for BARE minimum of 6 weeks......but56 more like 8-10.
 
anything testosterone- i dont care, just give me details. ill work out what was going on re test levels and all that, chew it up, and maybe spit it back out for you guys to have a look at

thanks geek2freak :)
 
If you just wanna take it slow than i suggest just trying 8-10 weeks of either enan/cyp.(250-500mg's a week) As long as you have aromasin/arimidex along with nolva you should be good to go. If you are dead set on a short acting than try something like prop at 100mg's EOD for a month or so. My first test only I used just 250mg's for 10 weeks and kept a good 10lb's from it. Now test doesn't do much for me at any dose.
 
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lol thanks lartinos...im mulling over the effects of something alont the lines of 1000mg sust in week 1, and a short acting agent in week 3, with maybe a final hit or two of test susp

im not going to actually do it, im just thinking about something :)
 
Enanthate 125mg every 6 days. Started seeing gains in week 2. Libido was up, strenght was up. Not much bloat at all, actually became allot more vascular which has stayed with me.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
lol thanks lartinos...im mulling over the effects of something alont the lines of 1000mg sust in week 1, and a short acting agent in week 3, with maybe a final hit or two of test susp

im not going to actually do it, im just thinking about something :)
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Your test levels wouldn't be very consistent with a plan like that. Sust is not goos in genereal unless it is injected twice a week from my experience. Sust can also be painful.
 
lartinos said:
Your test levels wouldn't be very consistent with a plan like that. Sust is not goos in genereal unless it is injected twice a week from my experience. Sust can also be painful.
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ooooo i dont want to get into a discussion about sust and test levels...maybe after i collect all the info. cut a long story short, test levels will be more stable with a large hit of sust at the beginning adn tailored short ester administration rather than with long term multi dosed sust (lots of peaks and troughs in the plasma profile)

cheers
 
ive just into my second week of sust. going to start doing it evey 5 days for 8 weeks or so. i'll let you know when i really start to feel it. got a bit stronger but im not sure if thats from the sust or just a natural progression..
 
GEEK2FREAK said:
My "friend" took sust for a 6 week cycle. 1cc Every 4 days and had results out of this world. Just using him as a reference, showing that alittle bit of sust does wonders.
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maybe he was doing something else b/c 1cc of sust every four days is a big waste of money, sust only has a half life of 3 days i believe...oh well, friends these days... :rolleyes: :)
 
The Terminator said:
I typically use 500-625 mg/week of test and for me the most weight gain ALWAYS comes in the first 2 weeks (even with aromatose inhibitors)...The strength gains never really come on well until week 4-5 though...
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GeneticFreak18 said:
maybe he was doing something else b/c 1cc of sust every four days is a big waste of money, sust only has a half life of 3 days i believe...oh well, friends these days... :rolleyes: :)
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eeeeeeeeeer no. sustanon is sustained release test, designed to be given fortnightly or so. its overall halflife would be closer to 8 days
 
GoldenDelicious said:
ooooo i dont want to get into a discussion about sust and test levels...maybe after i collect all the info. cut a long story short, test levels will be more stable with a large hit of sust at the beginning adn tailored short ester administration rather than with long term multi dosed sust (lots of peaks and troughs in the plasma profile)

cheers
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Yes. Andy13 has already made a graph explaining this, but no one listened.

Also understand when peeps talk about "feeling it" for the most part they are talking of strength gains. Which will take several weeks regardless of the AAS you're taking.

I understand exactly what you're getting at. Do you feel reovery would be far easier with these four week cycles?
 
by taking that much sust at once you would be taking on a whole lotta prop the first week and then the test levels would go down. Not to mention some of the slower released tests would be being released at the same time. With a gram and a half you would get 600mg's prop the first week (prop and phenyl prop have about the same half-life) along with however much of the slower acting ester releases at this time. What you are doing is frontloading.......which in essence are test levels that do not stay consistent. This is just a colossal waste of time IMO. How exactly would you inject this? All in one day? ED for a week? No one in their right mind would waste their time with this. Sust is just an obsolete drug. There is just no real use for the stuff unless you are giving yourself HRT and HATE injecting and don't mind pain.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
eeeeeeeeeer no. sustanon is sustained release test, designed to be given fortnightly or so. its overall halflife would be closer to 8 days
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eeeerrr not so sure about that bro...i was told 3 days :confused:
 
GeneticFreak18 said:
eeeerrr not so sure about that bro...i was told 3 days :confused:
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No. Remeber Sustenon is a blend of four esters
30mg Propionate
55mg Phenylpropionate
65mg Caproate
100mg Decanoate
All with slightly long releases. This is why it actually acts as a long release drug.

It's original intention was for HRT use so the patient didn't have to go for weekly or biweekly injects. Once a month was considered enough.
 
I see all these test cycles you guys do and I feel like a nut I run test eth 250 at 750 mgs per week for 25 weeks at a time stacked for the 15 weeks with 300 mgs of deca.then I run winny for the remainder of the time and I stop the test at 25 weeks and run 20mgs of dbol for the last 4 weeks while the long acting esthers run out of my system then start the pct. by the way I reun the hcg the last 3 weeks of the cycle.I get the greatest gains off this cycle and maintain a lot of the gains.Maybe im crazy but I don't start getting really jacked until week 10.
 
genarr3 said:
No. Remeber Sustenon is a blend of four esters
30mg Propionate
55mg Phenylpropionate
65mg Caproate
100mg Decanoate
All with slightly long releases. This is why it actually acts as a long release drug.

It's original intention was for HRT use so the patient didn't have to go for weekly or biweekly injects. Once a month was considered enough.
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well i stand corrected
 
GD just started a cycle of sus tuesday. will keep you posted. still haven't decided if am going to run at 250 or 500. it has only been two days so haven't noticed anything yet except a little pain!
 
lartinos said:
. Sust is just an obsolete drug. There is just no real use for the stuff unless you are giving yourself HRT and HATE injecting and don't mind pain.
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really? it is obsolete? why would you say this?
 
glennds said:
really? it is obsolete? why would you say this?
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because it was designed for a certain reason (HRT). Enanthate/cyp will give the same postive results without the negatives such as flucuating levels and intense pain from injections.
 
My best use of test was Kirachi Sustanon every 4 days. I am contemplating changing my upcoming 12 weeker to a couple of 3 weekers (3 on 5 off) looking like this.

Day 1:
Omnadren: 500mgs

Wk1-3
Prop: 100mg eod
NPP: 100mg eod
Ox: 60mg/day

Still up in the air though.
 
lartinos said:
because it was designed for a certain reason (HRT). Enanthate/cyp will give the same postive results without the negatives such as flucuating levels and intense pain from injections.
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i am not sure what this means lartinos. fluctuating levels of what? test? why is this bad? i do not really understand what HRT is, although i know it mean hormone replacement therapy.
 
flux levels will make you feel lethargic and shitty in general. The way you are using sust is not how it was originally intended. It was meant for HRT use so you could go three weeks withour injecting.
 
genarr3 said:
Yes. Andy13 has already made a graph explaining this, but no one listened.

Also understand when peeps talk about "feeling it" for the most part they are talking of strength gains. Which will take several weeks regardless of the AAS you're taking.

I understand exactly what you're getting at. Do you feel reovery would be far easier with these four week cycles?
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cheers for that. and yes, thats what i think.
 
lartinos said:
by taking that much sust at once you would be taking on a whole lotta prop the first week and then the test levels would go down. Not to mention some of the slower released tests would be being released at the same time. With a gram and a half you would get 600mg's prop the first week (prop and phenyl prop have about the same half-life) along with however much of the slower acting ester releases at this time. What you are doing is frontloading.......which in essence are test levels that do not stay consistent. This is just a colossal waste of time IMO. How exactly would you inject this? All in one day? ED for a week? No one in their right mind would waste their time with this. Sust is just an obsolete drug. There is just no real use for the stuff unless you are giving yourself HRT and HATE injecting and don't mind pain.
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ill explain later. let people chat about it first.

and you could do it all in one day.

the injects of a short ester at tapered doses later in week 3 would keep levels where you want them.

i hate it when people forget (or ignore) that im a pharmacist) i know whats going to happen to blood levels, dammit :) im working on a theory, ok :)

genarr: i know, i saw andy's post once upon a time, and i agreed with him

cheers
 
4 week cycle?

i would probably just use prop every day or every other day.....

or, suspension every day...

for that short a cycle, longer acting esters wouldn't make much sense.
 
lartinos said:
flux levels will make you feel lethargic and shitty in general. The way you are using sust is not how it was originally intended. It was meant for HRT use so you could go three weeks withour injecting.
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is sustanon is a mixture of tests why would it have these effects and test, such as eth or cyp, would not?
 
glennds said:
is sustanon is a mixture of tests why would it have these effects and test, such as eth or cyp, would not?
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it's a mix of esters not tests. Thats why it stupid to use it. The cycle he speaks of is possible but not practical. It is complicating something that is rather simple. The reason you don't see anyone doing this is that the same results without the pain can be done with human grade prop.
 
Lartinos: I don't agree with the notion that Sust is useless other than for HRT. I used it last cycle @ 500mg PW with Deca @300mg PW for 8 weeks, and had tremendous gains (16lbs after post-cycle). I even think it worked better for me than enanth currently is. It really is a matter of preference with most people, but I believe I will choose sust over enanth in the future just because it worked better for me.
 
this is how plasma testosterone reads after a single shot of testosterone enanthate:
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imagine injecting every 2 weeks like in HRT. you will have fluctuating levels even when using a single ester. there is no way to get stable concentrations in HRT with injections, gels and patches are superior for that intent.

for supraphysiological doses, in general, the more often you inject, the more stable blood levels will become. and after a couple of weeks there is no significant difference between sust and single ester products.
 
jerkbox said:
4 week cycle?

i would probably just use prop every day or every other day.....

or, suspension every day...

for that short a cycle, longer acting esters wouldn't make much sense.
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sure it does. you only use on the first day, use a human grade product, have relatively stable levels, and save on shots (yes you cop it later again, but still)

anyway ill save it. post results, people! (please :) )
 
GoldenDelicious said:
sure it does. you only use on the first day, use a human grade product, have relatively stable levels, and save on shots (yes you cop it later again, but still)

anyway ill save it. post results, people! (please :) )
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would you take an unusually high dose? like 600-1000mg or so?

otherwise, i would think it would take a while to get test levels up due to the longer ester, as opposed to shooting a short ester every day.
 
Geneticfreak, read the profile for sust. It is a blend of four different tests that are released at different rates. The 3 day half life sounds more like Prop than sust....
 
jerkbox: yes, i was thinking people might go for 750 or 1000

i know it seems high but when you sit down and work out body levels of test on even a 500mg/wk dose of enth or something, at the end of the cycle you have levels far in excess of this
 
lartinos said:
flux levels will make you feel lethargic and shitty in general. .
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gotta admit i have felt this way past couple days, but don't know if it is a reaction to the sus. i have read posts about things like test flu so i am not sure what is going on, if it is a first time thing. the pain is subsiding in my glute, but never was terrible.
 
the chart has gone the way of the long forgotten thread lol

ive been busy with something. im on the computer when i procrastinate :D all my creative juices are getting sucked out with another project :)

ill do it ill do it :)
 
The Terminator said:
I typically use 500-625 mg/week of test and for me the most weight gain ALWAYS comes in the first 2 weeks (even with aromatose inhibitors)...The strength gains never really come on well until week 4-5 though...
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That is exactly the same for myself when using Test Cyp or Sustanon.
 
Well, 5 days ago I shot 1g of enanthate and 400mg of deca, now I am up to 3 shots like that so in under a week I have 3g of enanthate and 1200mg of deca in me, I don't feel anything yet. I would say it still takes a while for the longer esters to build up, who knows in the first 2 weeks how much is actually being used or released at a certain time, after that though you know it has leveled off and could expect (for me 3g of enanthate) to be flowing throgh your body.
 
Well it has only been 5 days, well 4 really, would be 5 tonight. I am up 2lbs, but have taken 1mg arimidex daily since I have never gone this high. For the rest of the cycle I am going 2g enanthate 800mg deca. I just don't "feel" the test yet like you do in later weeks even at this dose. I am fairly sure it is legit, but could be wrong. I made it myself, and the powders melting points were correct. The deca was oily already when I opened it, the enanthate was more of a paste.


These longer esters have such a long life how do you really know how much is ever being used at one time in the beginning. I mean you shoot 3g, you don't have that much in you for 2 weeks as is the half life. During that time though it will be released, but at what rate? How much on any day? Probably impossible to be specific. This is why you feel much better in the 3rd or fourth week, it's stabilized by then. I am no genious, but this makes a lot of sence to me. I would think if you wanted to run high dose short cycles it would pointless unless you used drugs with very short half lifes.
 
Best Results I had with test was 250mg Enan 2 x a week, 10 weeks and 1/2 tab aromasin EOD. I think some use Aromasin E3D, I always use EOD 1/2 tab. It does swell me up, I can hold water like swimming pool. The aromasin makes a big difference for me on the bloat.
 
you can answer your own question about how much is released by hunting down a blood concentration over time graph

thanks for your honesty though, there are a lot of people who doubtless would start lecturing you for doses like that. do us a favour and keep us informed...one way or the other... :)

cheers
 
Golden- For those graphs you are talking about could you give me a link. I remember seeing a few, but it is just laughable to say the least. It says, for example if you inject 1000mg of enanthate, on day one you have 1000mg, then day 3 750mg, or something to that effect. While it may be in your system, that sure is fuck aint how it works, this is opinion from personal experience mind you. How could the 1000mg be active right away? Some of it is, but I would bet less then 100mg, although I don't really know. That would be like saying enanthate works as fast as suspension. I would like to know what the mg of ACTIVE test would be at a given time. If you know of a chart for this I would apreciate a look. (this isn't sarcasm :) )

I will definitly keep you updated, I'm not too worried about being lectured.
 
oh God to find specific stuff like that takes yonks on the net without medline. i have found a way to scam medline at the university up the street (shhhhhhhh dont tell anyone ;) ) so ill go in...its easter though, and ill be out of action for a while...
 
tokebloke said:
Well it has only been 5 days, well 4 really, would be 5 tonight. I am up 2lbs, but have taken 1mg arimidex daily since I have never gone this high. For the rest of the cycle I am going 2g enanthate 800mg deca. I just don't "feel" the test yet like you do in later weeks even at this dose. I am fairly sure it is legit, but could be wrong. I made it myself, and the powders melting points were correct. The deca was oily already when I opened it, the enanthate was more of a paste.


These longer esters have such a long life how do you really know how much is ever being used at one time in the beginning. I mean you shoot 3g, you don't have that much in you for 2 weeks as is the half life. During that time though it will be released, but at what rate? How much on any day? Probably impossible to be specific. This is why you feel much better in the 3rd or fourth week, it's stabilized by then. I am no genious, but this makes a lot of sence to me. I would think if you wanted to run high dose short cycles it would pointless unless you used drugs with very short half lifes.
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Hi..

The fundamental concept of the ester is that it is like a depot.. When you inject, make believe you have an internal IV bag dripping out active test a little at a time. The rate at which the test is activated will be the fastest right away and slow down from there.. Just because you inject 1g doesn't mean you have 1g floating around binding ARs.. It's INACTIVE..

I didn't see what you are on.. It it's deca, might as well relax... It's going to be a few weeks... You may want to look into a technique called front end loading.. This was an idea I had a few years ago. I tried it, liked it, then introduced the concept to every one. It has really caught on. Search under my name.. A lot of my posts got moved to the platinum board, so you may or may not be able to locate them.

Andy
 
shooting sust EOD will diminish those blood level fluctuations everyone's been talking about. 875mg/wk is a nice cycle. It will kick in right away, and only get better as time goes by.
 
Check my sig. I'm on my 10th and final week of sust 500. Gains have been great, strength did not really kick in until around week 6 or 7 but when it did, it was signifigant. However, horniness beyond anything I could have ever imagined. People said you get horny, but I was not prepared for what happened to me and what is STILL happening to me. I'm talking rape anything in sight. Boner 24/7. Wanting to do things to my girl I would never have thought of in a million years. I feel like I've become a sexual monster and I simply cannot be satisfied.
 
(the labels for the tracings need flopped.. ) This is an exponential decay plot modeling an AAS with 7 day half life and one with 4 day. Both are injected EOD.

exp_dec_h_7_4ii.JPG
 
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What about changing test for tren, its a fast ester, stronger then test, and not androgenic, what's your take on it?
 
this chart will explain all...............

the levels after 3 weeks is usually resulting from Sustanon use. EOD shots with sust is vital due to it's makeup.

Enjoy
 
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muchmass said:
What about changing test for tren, its a fast ester, stronger then test, and not androgenic, what's your take on it?
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Something is anabolic when it makes muscles larger by synthesizing simple substances into complex materials.
Androgenic is anything having to do with male sexual characteristics.

Tren is extremely androgenic. In fact, when injected into certain female fish, they have been shown to become male. It is probably the second most androgenic steroid (halotestin being first). As far as changing test for tren, well I would run tren with test since it has a very negative impact on your HPTA - more than deca - and could give you limp dick.
 
juicedbeachbum said:
Something is anabolic when it makes muscles larger by synthesizing simple substances into complex materials.
Androgenic is anything having to do with male sexual characteristics.

Tren is extremely androgenic. In fact, when injected into certain female fish, they have been shown to become male. It is probably the second most androgenic steroid (halotestin being first). As far as changing test for tren, well I would run tren with test since it has a very negative impact on your HPTA - more than deca - and could give you limp dick.
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thanx for the info, I am considering doing a sycle on tren/test, but i dont yet have enough info on its effect
 
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