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A Friend I know was just telling me about Tren, that people he knows and others that have done it that they have been having problems with there lungs, I wanted to put this on here to hear if anybodys knows or can look into this!! because it sounded preatty serious. He said they are getting deposits or something like that in there lungs and it could be related from the dye they use in the pellets, he also said he didnt think it was from the powder from what he was told.

I just called him it causes Cadium if thats spelled right which is a heavy metal and will cause your lungs to fail.

I just wanted to put a heads up out whether its true i dont know but just wanted to let everybody know it it was.
 
it sounds like it could cause something like that in your lungs, i mean the "fina cough" maybe the start of it

i dont know
 
Individuals who shoot drugs intravenously which have been created from crushed and dissolved pills/caplets often experience the same sort of lung destruction as you're describing.

If one really fucked up a conversion, and left a ton of binders and filler in solution along with the tren, these binders and fillers can enter the bloodstream (yes, even though gear is administered intramuscularly rather than intravenously) and potentially block the alveolar capillaries in the lungs. Blockage of these capillaries can cause necrosis of the lung tissue, and can lead to severe lung damage.

There's no concern regarding cadmium in the finaplix-h pellets; your bro meant to say calcium, which can deposit around the necrotic lesions much as it does in tuberculosis. Calcium carbonate is likely used in the pellets to facilitate slower dissolution and longer-term release of the tren into your cattle.

Karma if you dig the info.

-M
 
Is there any reason why you BB'ers don't just implant the pellets into your ears like they were designed. I though you guys were hard core. With the popularity of piercing nowdays, no one would even have a second look.

No studies on this but since I haven't seen any cows coughing from the pellets when administered in this fashion, I think this would be the way to go.
 
Dr. M said:
Individuals who shoot drugs intravenously which have been created from crushed and dissolved pills/caplets often experience the same sort of lung destruction as you're describing.

If one really fucked up a conversion, and left a ton of binders and filler in solution along with the tren, these binders and fillers can enter the bloodstream (yes, even though gear is administered intramuscularly rather than intravenously) and potentially block the alveolar capillaries in the lungs. Blockage of these capillaries can cause necrosis of the lung tissue, and can lead to severe lung damage.

There's no concern regarding cadmium in the finaplix-h pellets; your bro meant to say calcium, which can deposit around the necrotic lesions much as it does in tuberculosis. Calcium carbonate is likely used in the pellets to facilitate slower dissolution and longer-term release of the tren into your cattle.

Karma if you dig the info.

-M
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Well maybe bad karama for you Dr. M...but certainly not good karma. Most of the information you posted is completely false. I have called the finaplix manufacturer and they don't put "binders" or any kind of glues in the finaplix pellets. There is a "filler" in finaplix called methyl-cellulose. MC is not a health concern. Infact it's used as a surfactant in Testosterone suspension and Winstrol-V. This is what annoy's me most about these boards....people posting rumors as if they are facts.

By the way...if you don't believe what I'm saying why don't you call the manufacturer and ask yourself? 800-247-4838.

Now you can give ME some karma for having to correct your mistakes Dr. M
 
pharmguy said:
cadnium, they use that in batteries!
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most batt these days are lithium ion not cadmium, but i agree on the lung issue cuz when i train for fights and are using tren i notice my stamina/endurance sucks and i am breathing like i have been underwater for 5 min
 
if CMTuggl is correct, then where the hell did all this Binder hoopla come from? I know I have always heard there are binders in it
 
If their are no binders or glue's in finaplex then why bother using a conversion kit? why not just crush up the pellets and mix them with another oil base and inject them?
 
liquidmuscle said:


most batt these days are lithium ion not cadmium, but i agree on the lung issue cuz when i train for fights and are using tren i notice my stamina/endurance sucks and i am breathing like i have been underwater for 5 min
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OK not trying to argue with you but I wrestle in college and have been taking tren for about 4 weeks now and my wind is great maybe even better than it has ever been. My concern is I do get a little build up in my lungs and I clear them and it is gone but I don't know what the hell it is?
 
c-rock, you can't do that because risk of infection...and i'm sure some other reasons...that's why you mix in BA. You don't have to worry about that when you make the topical stuff...you do just exactly that, crush them up and put them in the topical gel.

slug, supposedly the reason it got started was Dan Duchane (sp?). He assumed that there was something to hold the pellets together and just assumed they used some sort of glue as a binder. However, they're formed with extremely high pressure...that's it. If you don't believe, just call them and ask.
 
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Tren will destroy your lungs overtime, along with other health problems.
 
cmtuggl said:


Well maybe bad karama for you Dr. M...but certainly not good karma. Most of the information you posted is completely false. I have called the finaplix manufacturer and they don't put "binders" or any kind of glues in the finaplix pellets. There is a "filler" in finaplix called methyl-cellulose. MC is not a health concern. Infact it's used as a surfactant in Testosterone suspension and Winstrol-V. This is what annoy's me most about these boards....people posting rumors as if they are facts.

By the way...if you don't believe what I'm saying why don't you call the manufacturer and ask yourself? 800-247-4838.

Now you can give ME some karma for having to correct your mistakes Dr. M
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nice info, but you didnt have to be such a dick
 
cmtuggl said:

Now you can give ME some karma for having to correct your mistakes Dr. M
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Seems like bicepts101 already took care of that line.

Someone wanted to know what could potentially be destroying lung tissue, and I provided some potential causes. I have to admit that I honestly thought there might be a dextrin-based binder in the pellets, over a calcium carbonate base as is sometimes seen in slow-release orals in humans. Wouldn't have to worry about long-term side effects, since the cattle wouldn't live to see them anyway.

Since the manufacturer says there are no binders in the finaplix-h pellets, and you're correct that MC is a harmless surfactant, I guess my post was bunk.

Good thing I've never provided any useful information to anyone on the board at all... thanks for putting me in my place.

-M
 
Dr. M said:


Seems like bicepts101 already took care of that line.

Someone wanted to know what could potentially be destroying lung tissue, and I provided some potential causes. I have to admit that I honestly thought there might be a dextrin-based binder in the pellets, over a calcium carbonate base as is sometimes seen in slow-release orals in humans. Wouldn't have to worry about long-term side effects, since the cattle wouldn't live to see them anyway.

Since the manufacturer says there are no binders in the finaplix-h pellets, and you're correct that MC is a harmless surfactant, I guess my post was bunk.

Good thing I've never provided any useful information to anyone on the board at all... thanks for putting me in my place.

-M
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just quit spreading bullshit would you

I see you doing this shit all the time

if you don't know something, don't just make up a bunch of shit and post it
 
I got excited when I first learned about tren. I went to a vet supply store and got some finaplix. After reading about fina dick, fina cough, bromocriptine / progestagenic gyno, anxiety, night sweats, immunosuppression, I decided not to use it.

I tried selling the finaplix on ebay, but they canceled my auction. Have to relist...
 
Singleton said:
I got excited when I first learned about tren. I went to a vet supply store and got some finaplix. After reading about fina dick, fina cough, bromocriptine / progestagenic gyno, anxiety, night sweats, immunosuppression, I decided not to use it.

I tried selling the finaplix on ebay, but they canceled my auction. Have to relist...
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good idea, its not for pussies
 
BonerBoy said:


just quit spreading bullshit would you

I see you doing this shit all the time

if you don't know something, don't just make up a bunch of shit and post it
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You're way out of line bro. 90% of the guys using tren think it has binders. Do you know why? Because it did have binders when it was first introduced and now they don't use them.

Back to the original post.
People having problems with their lungs are most likely using kits. It's not the tren the causes the tren cough, it's the kit. You will get the same cough from several UG lab products that have no tren in them whatsoever. It's because they use too much solvent. Then when you inject it, and just by change pierce a vein, the solvent gets into your lungs and your lungs, not knowing where it came from, react as though you're breathing it and try to cough it out.
 
I think utler is right about the solvent because I make my own tren and use very little solvent and I have never experienced this fina cough or had painful injects or anything of the sort.
 
ulter said:


You're way out of line bro. 90% of the guys using tren think it has binders. Do you know why? Because it did have binders when it was first introduced and now they don't use them.
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Ulter, I'm way out of line for disagreeing with this statement because 90% of the guys using it believe it has binders?

first, prove to me that 90% of us believe this

second, when will it be apropriate to start disagreeing with this bullshit? what 5 yrs, 10 yrs, what?

"binders and fillers can enter the bloodstream and potentially block the alveolar capillaries in the lungs"

so I must still acept this as fact? for how many more yrs?

Dr. M said:

If one really fucked up a conversion, and left a ton of binders and filler in solution along with the tren, these binders and fillers can enter the bloodstream (yes, even though gear is administered intramuscularly rather than intravenously) and potentially block the alveolar capillaries in the lungs. Blockage of these capillaries can cause necrosis of the lung tissue, and can lead to severe lung damage.

-M
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ulter said:


Back to the original post.
People having problems with their lungs are most likely using kits. It's not the tren the causes the tren cough, it's the kit. You will get the same cough from several UG lab products that have no tren in them whatsoever. It's because they use too much solvent. Then when you inject it, and just by change pierce a vein, the solvent gets into your lungs and your lungs, not knowing where it came from, react as though you're breathing it and try to cough it out.
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I don't believe it, wether it be a licensced compound lab or an undergrond lab we all use BA
 
Bonerboy... Your kinda being a boner. Chill out bro. If you have some useful info please share. Otherwise back off. If someone makes a mistake or posts something you know to be incorrect, correct it. It will help all of us. Otherwise stop being an ass.
 
BonerBoy said:


good idea, its not for pussies
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Good call.

Hey, shoot me a PM, if you are too scared to use them, mail them to me, I'll take them off your hands, but I'm not paying you, I get it very cheap already.
 
The medical community has addressed the issue of dyspnea and coughing following certain injections for some time. Consider the following excerpts from Schering:

This is from RxMEd, concerning Climacteron:

Miscellaneous: Cholestatic jaundice has been reported with estrogens and methyltestosterone. A few instances of coughing, dyspnea and chest constriction have been reported with preparations containing benzyl benzoate.

And this excerpt from the ‘Androcur Depot” medical notes:

Like all oily solutions Androcur Depot must be injected intramuscularly. Experience shows that the short-lasting reactions (urge to cough, coughing fits, respiratory distress) which occur in rare cases during or immediately after the injection of oily solutions can be avoided by injecting the solution extremely slowly.

These suggest that oily solutions containing benzyl benzoate can result in coughing fits after injection. Indeed, I have had a coughing fit after injecting test prop compounded at 200mg/ml, which is a concentration requiring a high level of benzyl benzoate.
The assertion above that the only ‘binder’ in fina is methylcellulose is correct. A quick search will reveal several posts highlighting this fact already. Well, I guess it would have before the new platinum rule…

Now, about this idea of cadmium. I don’t think that was a typo, just a misconception. Cadmium is used in yellow dyes and paints, and is also associated at times with zinc oxides in that context, but the ingredient ‘Yellow Dye #5” is not cadmium based.

Yellow dye #5 is actually a chemical called tartrazine, which is made from coal tar. Actually considered an industrial waste by some, it has been the center of controversy for a while now. Apparently there are some people with a hypersensitivity to this compound, and one of the reported side effects from this is asthma, and even reports of coughing fits.

But I do not think the dye is the culprit. I believe it is just as suggested by Ulter and others many times over, simply too much benzyl benzoate at once, probably close to a vein.
 
I also think the coughing has to do with the ba content. I had it a number of times, but have been using tren a long time without a cough since reducing the amount of BA I use to the absolute minimum needed to disolve the pellets. It also seems to reduce incidents of swelling and soreness at the injection site. I originally did it because it occured to me that too much BA might have negative affects on my health.
 
CMT...so how did that conversation go again....."Uh, Mr. Manufacturer, I'm using your product to make illegal gear, is there anything in there that I should be worried about?"

I have never been an advocate of fina and as such have never tried to brew my own. Should I assume, based on your expert comments, that all the shit left behind in the conversion process is perfectly safe to consume? Would that product be safe for humans or just a cow?

Want me to call them...or can you handle that?

I love it when people jump so quick to point out someone elses mistakes. Your explanation to Crock was very insightfull. Did you call the manufacturer for that? I'll tell you what, whenever you want to make a scientific statement, or correct someone else, please start it with " My momma said......."

BPP
 
Boner, I was trying to keep this civil. I can see that's not something you're capable of. No one minds that you disagree, but you're a complete asshole about it.

Since I answer about 16,000 emails a year related to anabolics, own a very well respected anabolic board, have been cycling for 20 years, and have been on this board for 3 years, I think I am qualified to post what the general consensus is among tren users. I am asked this question about binders all the time. In fact if you do a search here you'll find over 150 threads over the last 2 years discussing it.

You don't have to believe that it's the BA. In fact, do me a favor, double up on it next time you make tren.
 
ulter said:
Boner, I was trying to keep this civil. I can see that's not something you're capable of. No one minds that you disagree, but you're a complete asshole about it.

Since I answer about 16,000 emails a year related to anabolics, own a very well respected anabolic board, have been cycling for 20 years, and have been on this board for 3 years, I think I am qualified to post what the general consensus is among tren users. I am asked this question about binders all the time. In fact if you do a search here you'll find over 150 threads over the last 2 years discussing it.

You don't have to believe that it's the BA. In fact, do me a favor, double up on it next time you make tren.
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OWNERSHIP
 
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BPP,

If you don't know how to have a conversation with a business person over the phone that's your problem. I don't have any issues getting the information I need. To answer your question, yes the goo in your kit is simply MC and IS safe to inject...though there is no reason to do so.

I never claimed to be making "scientific" statements. I'm stating manufacturing FACTS. Yeah and about jumping all over Dr. M....do you not agree that people posting bogus information on here as truths is a problem? If you don't know for sure then keep your fucking mouth shut. Newbies read this information looking for direction...people posting SHIT like that causes misconceptions about gear and the problem should be eliminated. M should be the one starting out "My momma said..." or "a friend told me..." because that's how he got the information.

Ulter...good posts (pre-arguing i mean)
 
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Actually pigments from such things ends up in lymph nodes and is a NORMAL lesion seen in many cases. Note lesion does not mean diease causing or pathogenic. Enteric and pulmonary lymph nodes are common places for this to occur. In fact, bros with tatatoos have some of this goin on as well. Totally normal and harmless. Now, particulate endin up in the lung is quite possible resulting from injections with pellet binders still in them. Unless the insult is tremendous or accumulating over time in gross amounts then this isn't a problem. In fact there is a natural accumulation of this type in lungs as you age. There isn't anybody out there who doesn't have some sort of particulate accumulation in their lungs, however small or inconseqential it maybe.
 
cmtuggl said:
BPP,

If you don't know how to have a conversation with a business person over the phone that's your problem. I don't have any issues getting the information I need. To answer your question, yes the goo in your kit is simply MC and IS safe to inject...though there is no reason to do so.

I never claimed to be making "scientific" statements. I'm stating manufacturing FACTS. Yeah and about jumping all over Dr. M....do you not agree that people posting bogus information on here as truths is a problem? If you don't know for sure then keep your fucking mouth shut. Newbies read this information looking for direction...people posting SHIT like that causes misconceptions about gear and the problem should be eliminated. M should be the one starting out "My momma said..." or "a friend told me..." because that's how he got the information.

Ulter...good posts (pre-arguing i mean)
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Personally, i think weve got a bigger problem with people being dicks for no apparent reason. In the adult world-you will learn how to disagree with someone in a civil manner. Dr.M provided an assumption. People state things based on assumptions every minute-and im willing to bet you have too. Dr. Matt is a doctor, and has gone through med school, so dont think you are God just because you correct one of his statements. We are all entitled to disagree here-but theres no need to be a jackass about it, and try and start an arguement over the internet. This only proves one thing-your level of immaturity.
 
OK I'm sorry if I singled out Dr. M...I just had a bunch of built up tension about this issue and finally got a great chance to let it out. HOWEVER, as I've already said, this is a problem and he DID present the information as if it were fact. Since he's a doctor I assume he's a pretty smart and assertive person...he should've known better than to post something he didn't know for sure about...if he recommended medication to patients based on a rumor he heard from joe shmoe he'd get sued for malpractice in a new york minute.
 
ulter said:
Boner, I was trying to keep this civil. I can see that's not something you're capable of. No one minds that you disagree, but you're a complete asshole about it.
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I dont think I was so far out of line in my response to Dr. M, it used to be that when people made false or misleading statements on this board they would be flamed, imo this was a great way to stop all the myths and bs from circulating over the net

ulter said:
In fact if you do a search here you'll find over 150 threads over the last 2 years discussing it.
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I read one of those threads a while back and someone was sugesting that tren had pgf2 type qualities and that may be the cause of the "tren cough"

alot of people are converting their own test powders lately using the kits

has anyone had the "tren cough" with the test powder conversion?
 
ive gotten a cough and tightening of the chest from prop before-not everytime, just occasionally. Probably just from higher ba used with crystalline type powders like prop and tren acetate. How many guys have used tren enanthate and had this problem?
 
kwik95gt3 said:
Dr. Matt is a doctor, and has gone through med school, so dont think you are God just because you correct one of his statements.
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Actually, I'm currently doing my Ph.D. in Biochemistry, not my M.D. ... I don't want any rumours going around.

Just wanted to clear that up.

-M
 
cmtuggl said:
OK I'm sorry if I singled out Dr. M...I just had a bunch of built up tension about this issue and finally got a great chance to let it out. HOWEVER, as I've already said, this is a problem and he DID present the information as if it were fact. Since he's a doctor I assume he's a pretty smart and assertive person...he should've known better than to post something he didn't know for sure about...
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Now this I actually agree with (except the part about my being an M.D. ... I'm doing a Ph.D.).

What I SHOULD have said is "if there are binders and/or mineral fillers in the finaplix h pellets, then..." and posted what I posted following that statement.

Sadly, I had fallen victim to the rumours and myths surrounding binders and glues, and almost served to perpetuate them.

Thanks to you for pointing that out... but next time I think a lot of bros would appreciate a little less attitude. As far as I'm concerned, no hard feelings.

-M
 
Dr. M said:


Actually, I'm currently doing my Ph.D. in Biochemistry, not my M.D. ... I don't want any rumours going around.

Just wanted to clear that up.

-M
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Ooops-there i go popping off with misinformation:D M.D., Ph.D., either way, your ALMOST as intelligent as I am:p Ph.D. huh? So what will be the topic of your book?
 
BodyByFinaplix said:

Good call.

Hey, shoot me a PM, if you are too scared to use them, mail them to me, I'll take them off your hands, but I'm not paying you, I get it very cheap already.
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Thanks for telling me I'm a pussy who's too scared to use Tren. I'm def. gonna send you my finaplix for free.

:rolleyes:
 
I love fina, and use it all the time, and yes I develop night sweats and fina cough, but I never make it, simply use Spectro or now QV
 
Singleton said:
I got excited when I first learned about tren. I went to a vet supply store and got some finaplix. After reading about fina dick, fina cough, bromocriptine / progestagenic gyno, anxiety, night sweats, immunosuppression, I decided not to use it.

I tried selling the finaplix on ebay, but they canceled my auction. Have to relist...
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List it under Animal stuff...like:

Sports > Sporting Goods > Equestrian > Care & Grooming > Other Items

-or-

Home > Pet Supplies > Dogs > Grooming & Health Care > Other

-or-

Home > Pet Supplies > Other Animals

And, dont mention anything about human use. Just copy/paste the item description from a website that sells it. hell use their picture even. Even say "not intended for use in humans" or something like that.

Good luck
 
No DR. M you have helped me numerous times. Even if it did not apply that was pretty damned interesting.
 
ArizonaFeeds said:
No DR. M you have helped me numerous times. Even if it did not apply that was pretty damned interesting.
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Thanks man... still sorry I dropped the ball on this one though.

-M
 
Singleton said:
I tried selling the finaplix on ebay, but they canceled my auction. Have to relist...
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You might want to reconsider this. It might not be worth the $10 or $20 bucks you get to be trying to sell fina on ebay.
 
Dr. M said:


Seems like bicepts101 already took care of that line.

Someone wanted to know what could potentially be destroying lung tissue, and I provided some potential causes. I have to admit that I honestly thought there might be a dextrin-based binder in the pellets, over a calcium carbonate base as is sometimes seen in slow-release orals in humans. Wouldn't have to worry about long-term side effects, since the cattle wouldn't live to see them anyway.

Since the manufacturer says there are no binders in the finaplix-h pellets, and you're correct that MC is a harmless surfactant, I guess my post was bunk.

Good thing I've never provided any useful information to anyone on the board at all... thanks for putting me in my place.

-M
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