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naturally anabolic
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you just wish something would happen to just make it all end? I have been getting this feeling more and more lately...hmm
anyone else feel this way ?
anyone else feel this way ?
Ever been so depressed....
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VicTusDeuS
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Yeah, it does seem to go in cycles..Like some days things seem to be going good and within a few hours I can be feeling totally alone and depressed. It comes and goes. I noticed that going to the gym or something gets me outta that mood for a while...
Its like a temporary Prozac
Its like a temporary Prozac
VicTusDeuS said:Yeah, it does seem to go in cycles..Like some days things seem to be going good and within a few hours I can be feeling totally alone and depressed. It comes and goes. I noticed that going to the gym or something gets me outta that mood for a while...
Its like a temporary Prozac
right on
Exercising used to solve my bad moods, but even though I'm exercising now more than ever I still feel 50/50 mentally.
Taps
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Fuck. I'm sick of hearing about you depressed bastards.
The number one thing you have to realize, is that YOU HAVE TO TAKE CHARGE IF YOU WANT TO GET BETTER! Talk to your doctor. Get on meds. Go to counselling. Etc.
Sittiing around whining won't help matters.
Forgive me for being harsh, but that's the way the shit it. You have to help yourself -- no one else will can do it for you.
The number one thing you have to realize, is that YOU HAVE TO TAKE CHARGE IF YOU WANT TO GET BETTER! Talk to your doctor. Get on meds. Go to counselling. Etc.
Sittiing around whining won't help matters.
Forgive me for being harsh, but that's the way the shit it. You have to help yourself -- no one else will can do it for you.
Taps
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bunnymt said:Taps..
Maybe you are right. But I think that most people go through ups and downs throughout their lives.
You're a newbie, so I won't laugh to hard. Hehehehe!
My dear, one thing you'll notice about this board is that a good 90% of the people here have emotional problems. Mostly depression and the like.
Ups and downs are temporary, but real depression is a lifelong thing. Fortunetly, it's treatable...but most people don't seek out help.
What's up with the elephant, btw?
naturally anabolic
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Taps said:
Hey taps, don't tell me to take charge and shit, i have been to 4 psychologists, 1 psychiatrist...i have been on prozac, st johns wart, valium, lithium, zoloft, paxil, and ritalin and nothing has worked, i've given the initiative, i've tried to get better. You must realize that sometimes the answer to lifes problems are not so simple as "well go to the doctor and get it fixed" doctors do not have the answers all the time. Counseling is a joke, 4 people 3 male docs and 1 female and they all act the same way....its almost pity they use when showing sympathy for the situation, they say things like "I understand" too much when in fact they do not understand, they have not lived my life, they have just read some textbook that has filled them with this magical knowledge of the human mind and behavioral patterns. I have told them point blank that THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND and they cannot tell me its not soo bad because that is all they do, there answer to things never works....oh have anger management problem? take a time out and evaluate the situation, when you are angry theres no fucking way you are gunna take and evaluate a situation, anger is a primal emotion in a sophicticated and evolved world. I am sorry for ranting but please make less generalized statements about how to fix life's problems.
I'll be on AIM if you'd like to discuss this further.
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Frackal
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90% of the people here have emotional problems???
bunnymt said:Taps..
Maybe you are right. But I think that most people go through ups and downs throughout their lives.
Like bunnymt commented, people do have their up and downs. People get depressed for different reasons. Have you ever lost a parent or love one. The healthy, potent man grieves, and then draws strenght from the crisis and moves ahead as a better person. I do think that if depression lasts for more than two months, you should seek some help.
bunnymt
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I think that the elephant is cute, you know deep down that you do too 
I may be a newbie here but that doesnt mean that I don't know about life...I have heard a lot of people saying that they are depressed (on this board). I do think that it is a good thing, however, that they can come here to talk about it.
Bunny
I may be a newbie here but that doesnt mean that I don't know about life...I have heard a lot of people saying that they are depressed (on this board). I do think that it is a good thing, however, that they can come here to talk about it.
Bunny
Taps
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Frackal said:
I think I hang with a differnt clique than you Frac.
Maybe 90% is too high, but you have to admit a lot of folks around here arn't prime examples of emotional health.
Natty, no offense was intended. Sorry if I pissed you off -- you're obviously doing everying you can. My comments were directed more at other people.... Again, no offense. Can I have your porsche?
cyberflash
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Everyone in life has a purpose. And if you don't have a clear direction .. you get depressed. Just don't wallow in that kind of emotion. If if fall on a down cycle .. i just get up .. and smile it away. After all ... tomorrow is another day ... a beautiful day .. so smile.
VicTusDeuS
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Ya gotta sit back relax and think what is it that bothers you so much. Some people feel depressed because they are alone. Doctors cant solve every problem, especially mental ones, but they can give you direction to help you realize what it is that bothers you.
If you can figure out whats been bothering you, things dont seem that bad. It's at that point that you have direction. You know what the problem is and now you can fix it.
Im not trying to downplay anyones depression, just giving some personal input from what Ive seen myself go through.
If you can figure out whats been bothering you, things dont seem that bad. It's at that point that you have direction. You know what the problem is and now you can fix it.
Im not trying to downplay anyones depression, just giving some personal input from what Ive seen myself go through.
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naturally anabolic said:
I think we all have felt this way one time or another.
Life is a learning tool.
I know when you are going through it, it feel as though you
are in the deepest darkest of times.
Just remember it will pass and you will be feeling much better.
Sometimes meds. does help.
If you need to talk pm me...
Pamela
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Frackal
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Pamela can I pm you for that pic?
jennifer BFL chick
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Drugs/doctors actually can make things worse if your a "sane" person.
So many people get depression. I had it BIG time, thought about suicide ALL THE TIME, seriously. In fact, almost committed it.
I feel really good about my life, and who I am now. I still have shit that happens to me, and people are still assholes, and I could complain about this and that just as much as the next person.....BUT--I have truly changed my outlook on life. I except that I won't always be happy, and that the grass isn't greener on the other side.
Its very common to get depressed at your age---right after high school--your 20 right? I went through my depression at age 19.
I won't give lame advice like "keep your head up" or "things will change", but I will say that its possible to love yourself---you just need to find within yourself how to do it....fuck doctors, they don't know what your going through.
Jen
So many people get depression. I had it BIG time, thought about suicide ALL THE TIME, seriously. In fact, almost committed it.
I feel really good about my life, and who I am now. I still have shit that happens to me, and people are still assholes, and I could complain about this and that just as much as the next person.....BUT--I have truly changed my outlook on life. I except that I won't always be happy, and that the grass isn't greener on the other side.
Its very common to get depressed at your age---right after high school--your 20 right? I went through my depression at age 19.
I won't give lame advice like "keep your head up" or "things will change", but I will say that its possible to love yourself---you just need to find within yourself how to do it....fuck doctors, they don't know what your going through.
Jen
naturally anabolic
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jen, please clean out your pm box
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Pamela
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Frackal said:
Are you still waiting on that???
Rockafella Skank
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And these doctors who know nothing have had no other patients with similar symptoms and histories? Nor have they ever had depression issues themselves? Come on. To say that they don't know you and therefore cannot help you is not living up to your end of the bargain. It's like going to the ER with a burst appendix and telling them to guess what hurts.
Rockafella Skank
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On the other hand, I realize that there are some lazy docs out there, quick to pass out scripts for antidepressants. But to not accept the largest part of the responsibility for your recovery is unfathomable.
jennifer BFL chick
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Rockafella Skank said:
IF they were so good at helping people, why is it that people can be on anti-depressants for decades?
I won't say that doctors are worthless, but I will say that in my experience, they didn't help at all. They listen for a little while, then prescribe you something.
Its best to share your inner thoughts with people who actually give a rats ass about you.
Finding "happiness" doesn't mean that your never going to get depressed again. Depression is taking a bad day, and turning it into a monster that you end up fighting for weeks, months, years, ect.
To be happy, you need to except that life can be shitty! You also need to reflect on other things besides yourself. Depression is really a self-centered problem.
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i am offended by what you said rockafella to a great extant. I live up to my end of the bargain, i will explain in great detail my problems to the doctor i have gone to in need of help. They will sit there and shake there head at me with there trusty legal pad and express a "I understand" from time to time. When a session would end i would look for something to be pointed in the right direction but i often felt as if nothing was addressed, they would ask questions such as "did your parents love you as a kid",etc probing into my earliast of years and not come up with a dimes worth of help. There suggestion most of the time "come back for another session chris and we will continue this" where the hell is any resolve in that? or they attempt to get me to check in for a "vacation from the outside world" as one of them called it at a mental institution on a voluntary basis. You may be right, they may have seen cases of similair events in other people but how can they rationalize something as if they themselves had lived it or had an ounce of understanding for the pain?
Rockafella Skank
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I apologize. I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone. Chronic depression is a serious illness caused by chemical reactions to stimuli. I would hope that it takes several sessions for someone to find resolution.naturally anabolic said:
I understand the illness to the degree of which I am capable. A very good friend of mine is seriously bi-polar ... we worry about him if we don't hear from him for a few days. At least we used to worry. But my friend knows that his recovery is not a month or a year or two years. It's the rest of his life and that is the responsibility I was talking about. There's a parallel here ... I'm certain you see it.
mini_mouse
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Re: Re: Ever been so depressed....
I've been depressed, to varying degrees, for 5 yrs now. I never quite get out of it but there are short spurts of time where things seem brighter and my perspective changes for the better. I've tried lots of meds too (seroxat/paxil, citalopram/celexa, prozac, beta-blockers, st john's wort) but I don't think they actually did anything of benefit for me. I haven't been taking anything since June and, while I'm not better than I was, neither am I worse. Makes me think that my depression isn't as much chemical as it is reactive (be that to my environment or simply to low self-esteem).
I understand your frustration with the specialists you've seen; I too have found the majority of them are far too quick to pigeonhole and passify with prescriptions.
I've been told that the best way to get out of depression is to do those very things you don't want to do: go out, go to work, fill your life with activity ... trouble is, when right in the thick of it, it's hard to get the motivation going.
I think depression is actually a protective device against bad feeling. That sounds wack, I know, but I've found depression to be a 'numb' state more than a state of sadness. I know that I am most depressed when I can't feel at all. Perhaps, therefore, to get beyond the depression, you have to acknowledge and explore your bad feeling first.
... it all sounds good in theory, eh
Take care and PM me if you want to chat.
I've been depressed, to varying degrees, for 5 yrs now. I never quite get out of it but there are short spurts of time where things seem brighter and my perspective changes for the better. I've tried lots of meds too (seroxat/paxil, citalopram/celexa, prozac, beta-blockers, st john's wort) but I don't think they actually did anything of benefit for me. I haven't been taking anything since June and, while I'm not better than I was, neither am I worse. Makes me think that my depression isn't as much chemical as it is reactive (be that to my environment or simply to low self-esteem).
I understand your frustration with the specialists you've seen; I too have found the majority of them are far too quick to pigeonhole and passify with prescriptions.
I've been told that the best way to get out of depression is to do those very things you don't want to do: go out, go to work, fill your life with activity ... trouble is, when right in the thick of it, it's hard to get the motivation going.
I think depression is actually a protective device against bad feeling. That sounds wack, I know, but I've found depression to be a 'numb' state more than a state of sadness. I know that I am most depressed when I can't feel at all. Perhaps, therefore, to get beyond the depression, you have to acknowledge and explore your bad feeling first.
... it all sounds good in theory, eh
Take care and PM me if you want to chat.
BoneCruncher
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Spongebob is that your back in the avatar?
Lord_Suston
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Frackal said:
That's definitely a low figure i was thinking about 95-97%
look ending your life is really shitty you hurt more people than you think, and worst of all shit can always get better,right when you least expect it
Depression/Anxiety is different for everyone. Some people need meds and some don't. Depression is a PHYSICAL illness with PSYCHOLOGICAL symptoms. You can take a picture of a depressed person's brain ( darn, I forget the name of it- the one that shows all the colors ) and you will see major differences in that of a person who is not depressed.- That is physical.
There are a lot of things you can do:
Therapy- I like behavior modification
Diet- Important
Exercise
Meds- If you feel you need it.
Every person will go through depression sometime in life. MOST PASS through it. SOME cannot. That is the difference.
) and you will see major differences in that of a person who is not depressed.- That is physical.There are a lot of things you can do:
Therapy- I like behavior modification
Diet- Important
Exercise
Meds- If you feel you need it.
Every person will go through depression sometime in life. MOST PASS through it. SOME cannot. That is the difference.
Naturally Anabolic
Some advice
1) stay off roids. Endogenous hormones indirectly effect neurotransmitter levels via the bodys neuroendocrine system. So when you augment your bodies internal hormonal balance with exogenous hormones, or synthetic hormones, your neurotransmitter levels will flucuate = increased risk of depression.
2) Start Cognitive therapy. You can either see a psychologist who specializes in cognitive therapy for depression, or you can buy some self help books and work through them at your own pace. Heres a good one:
Feeling Good: The New Mood Therapy
Dr David Burns
Yes, depression is an illness which has physical symptoms. However, in the majority of cases, its ENVIROMENTALLY CAUSED. Some >80% cases of depression are caused by a persons enviroment.
What does that mean?
Cognitive, or thinking strategies uve "picked" up from other people, are probably responsible for the majority of ur depressive symptoms. Cognitive therapy changes ur thinking habits, so u begin to percieve events and urself more rationally and positivily.
If youve tried numerous antidepressents, thats a good indication your depression is caused primarily by enviromental stressors. I would seriously recommend cognitive therapy. Its *clinically proven* to be the single most effective treatment for depression. It easy and provides long term results. It takes as little as 10-15 minutes a day.
If you want a personal testimonial. Heres mine. I had social anxiety. Its an serious anxiety disorder. The constant, intense fear associated with engaging in *any* social interaction, causes the majority of SA sufferers to become depressed.
After completing over 1 year of cognitive therapy for my social anxiety and related depression, Im am soooo much happier.
Meds for depression, in most cases, are usefull only as a stepping stone to help the individual deal with stressfull life events, and faciltate the success of cognitive theraputic techniques.
Get started. It willl help.
Some advice
1) stay off roids. Endogenous hormones indirectly effect neurotransmitter levels via the bodys neuroendocrine system. So when you augment your bodies internal hormonal balance with exogenous hormones, or synthetic hormones, your neurotransmitter levels will flucuate = increased risk of depression.
2) Start Cognitive therapy. You can either see a psychologist who specializes in cognitive therapy for depression, or you can buy some self help books and work through them at your own pace. Heres a good one:
Feeling Good: The New Mood Therapy
Dr David Burns
Yes, depression is an illness which has physical symptoms. However, in the majority of cases, its ENVIROMENTALLY CAUSED. Some >80% cases of depression are caused by a persons enviroment.
What does that mean?
Cognitive, or thinking strategies uve "picked" up from other people, are probably responsible for the majority of ur depressive symptoms. Cognitive therapy changes ur thinking habits, so u begin to percieve events and urself more rationally and positivily.
If youve tried numerous antidepressents, thats a good indication your depression is caused primarily by enviromental stressors. I would seriously recommend cognitive therapy. Its *clinically proven* to be the single most effective treatment for depression. It easy and provides long term results. It takes as little as 10-15 minutes a day.
If you want a personal testimonial. Heres mine. I had social anxiety. Its an serious anxiety disorder. The constant, intense fear associated with engaging in *any* social interaction, causes the majority of SA sufferers to become depressed.
After completing over 1 year of cognitive therapy for my social anxiety and related depression, Im am soooo much happier.
Meds for depression, in most cases, are usefull only as a stepping stone to help the individual deal with stressfull life events, and faciltate the success of cognitive theraputic techniques.
Get started. It willl help.
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VicTusDeuS
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Just give yourself a goal, something to look forward to. Work from there. You'll feel better soon enough.
As you get older you encounter certain phases or experiences which may bring you down. Death, relationships, work, even training can get to you!
I believe life is about good and bad times and you have to push yourself through the bad times knowing something good will come out of it. It is often hard but usually well worth the effort. Stay healthy and look for the light at the end of the tunnel...
I believe life is about good and bad times and you have to push yourself through the bad times knowing something good will come out of it. It is often hard but usually well worth the effort. Stay healthy and look for the light at the end of the tunnel...
Night Fly
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Natty...
I am not going to sit here and say that everything will just be 'OK,' because...well.....sometimes it's just not. I can't say that I have been through what you are going through to that extent, but I do know that I was depressed for quite a while (about 2 and a half years, but never admitted it). I never went to the doctor...I did a lot of stupid things...and made a lot of mistakes...but I have realized now that I must get my life back in order.
I am sure that you are struggling with this...and I don't know what I can say to make you feel better, but just know that if you need anyone to talk to...you know how to get ahold of me! Keep your head up and know that you have people here who will support you!
NF
I am not going to sit here and say that everything will just be 'OK,' because...well.....sometimes it's just not. I can't say that I have been through what you are going through to that extent, but I do know that I was depressed for quite a while (about 2 and a half years, but never admitted it). I never went to the doctor...I did a lot of stupid things...and made a lot of mistakes...but I have realized now that I must get my life back in order.
I am sure that you are struggling with this...and I don't know what I can say to make you feel better, but just know that if you need anyone to talk to...you know how to get ahold of me! Keep your head up and know that you have people here who will support you!
NF
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Frackal
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Pamela said:
Are you still waiting on that???
I sure am sweetcheeks...when can I expect it? :-o
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Citruscide
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naturally anabolic said:
PSSSSHHH!!! Hell yeah I do! I'm a very high spirited person... I usually don't get down... but lately, I have been down about my unemployed status... I feel inadequate as a person without making an income. Hence, the depression... also, that depression spreads like a cancer into other parts of my life... and I equate that depression to be linked to them (relationship, personal life,etc.).
Ahh well... it happens, and it will go away.
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KAYNE
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naturally anabolic said:
EVERY DAMN DAY OF MY LIFE!!!
KAYNE
naturally anabolic said:
One thing about the docs that you are going to, is your right--they do just read text books and think they have the answers but what you may not realize is that there are many in that field that commit suicide themselves---I believe they are just under policeman and dentists ---but medical doctors lead the field"so to speak" So what I'm getting at is a lot of them do know what you are going through.....You are diff--not alone---My advise to you is to simplify your life as much as possible(using Zen Philos help) and when you do that ---you can really get a better understanding of yourself. Understand your build up and where you came from and who brought you up and how. Don't be upset with them or it but use it to your advantage. But if you live your life with lots of choas, you will never know who you really are and you will most likely be disappointed with the person that you see in the mirror...I see my depression today as a gift---because if it was anything else, I would have killed myself just as my brother did a few years ago...Simplify your life, understand who you are and why you are this way---and most importantly, get rid of the neg-influences in your life and you will find positive energy all around you.. Study up on depression as much as posible and you will find that it is a tool----Some people rarly have to experience it in there life---all I can say to them is to bad for them...It really can be an eye opener when you understand it...peace...
NaturallyRippedChick
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Hi Nat,
I've been where you are, and I know what you're going through. I've struggled with depression all my life. It sucked more than I ever imagined possible. Every day was a struggle not to cash it in. The only thing that kept me here was my nephew. He's autistic and would have been destroyed.
For me, it was a combination of prozac, getting older, working out every day, living extremely clean (no alcohol, drugs, smoking, or meat), being nice to myself and doing things I like, and good friends. 2 years later I feel good and I'm actually happy. I think what helps people feel better is individual, so please know that the answer is out there for you. Try to be kind to yourself and treat yourself to things that make you feel good until you find it and after.
I guess the point of this whole long is to say that there is hope. I never thought there was hope for me, but I feel good now. I'll be thinking of you--PM if you want to talk.
I've been where you are, and I know what you're going through. I've struggled with depression all my life. It sucked more than I ever imagined possible. Every day was a struggle not to cash it in. The only thing that kept me here was my nephew. He's autistic and would have been destroyed.
For me, it was a combination of prozac, getting older, working out every day, living extremely clean (no alcohol, drugs, smoking, or meat), being nice to myself and doing things I like, and good friends. 2 years later I feel good and I'm actually happy. I think what helps people feel better is individual, so please know that the answer is out there for you. Try to be kind to yourself and treat yourself to things that make you feel good until you find it and after.
I guess the point of this whole long is to say that there is hope. I never thought there was hope for me, but I feel good now. I'll be thinking of you--PM if you want to talk.
