Estrogen And Gains

[bigmouth2006]

liquidex is great in my book less water,less fat,no gyno, and less acne and it my cost a couple lbs in strenght that's it i don't cycle without ever

 

[JohnnyWest]

It depends on what people concider gains, alot of people consider all that water retention, which only adds water mass and water strength, as gains, and they don't distinguish the difference between that and lbm gain. It is true that estrogen aids in lbm gain because it very basicly helps shuttle nutrients etc into muscle cells, but IMO it is to a degree too small to be worth the bloat. So basicly it will help with gains (excluding water "gains") but to a small degree, most peolpe that are over their genetic limit may need the extra estrogen to help beyond what the other gear will do on its own. my .02

 

[Ulter]

Let's start way back at the beginning of the thread. You're using Arimidex. Arimidex only prevents an average of 59% of the estrogen converted by aromatase. It's one of the weakest aromatase inhibitors but that's not the point. Your question is about E and gains. If it only inhibits 59% there is PLENTY left over, whether you like it or not, for any gains you'd need from Estrogen. But you don't so who cares.

 

[bigrand]

Let's start way back at the beginning of the thread. You're using Arimidex. Arimidex only prevents an average of 59% of the estrogen converted by aromatase. It's one of the weakest aromatase inhibitors but that's not the point. Your question is about E and gains. If it only inhibits 59% there is PLENTY left over, whether you like it or not, for any gains you'd need from Estrogen. But you don't so who cares.

ITLNSTLN, is that you?????!!!

Estrogen is more detremental in my opinion that beneficial. When i have too much estro on cycle, i get fat, bloated, feel like petrified horse shit......i prefer estro free cycles, or as little as possible.

 

[steelmass]

ITLNSTLN, is that you?????!!!

Estrogen is more detremental in my opinion that beneficial. When i have too much estro on cycle, i get fat, bloated, feel like petrified horse shit......i prefer estro free cycles, or as little as possible.

BUSTED!

 

[bigrand]

BUSTED!

LOL, Ult has shown some sarcasm from time to time over the years....nothing like the arguements with 2Thick and Ranger though........humor for sure

 

[NFG123]

Hello all. I have a question for those who know a good deal about this. I have read countless forums and articles online, only to get different answers.

I am getting ready to start my cycle in a weel or 2 and was worried about certain side effects. The poster Galaxy has been very helpful. My question has to do with estrogen. I have read about using arimidex and nolva. One stops it in it's tracks, the other does so, but differently. I know that arimidex will halt estrogen production for the length of the cycle. However, I read differing views. Some say that estrogen is needed for the massive gains and strength for a cycle. Others state that arimidex will do nothing more that stop gyno and the normal results will occur.


If I take arimidex throughout, I don't have to worry about gyno or getting nolva, but will my gains be hampered by it? I'm not worried about water as much as gyno, so would it just be better to have some nolva on hand and wait for the gyno to start?


I don't want to hampre my gains, and from some things I have read, stopping estrogen will do this. And then others say stopping estrogen doesn't hurt gains or strength whatsoever. Which is it?

Thanks

Only a minority of people are affected by gyno in any cycle. And only with large doses of aromatizing testosterone. The list of side effects of anastrazole, and other aromatase inhibitors keeps growing. They fuck up your lipids for one, and my understanding is there is phase IV data coming out from Breast CA patients (their legitimate use) of some other serious consequences. My advice is to not touch anything with the word "zole" in it unless you have a yeast infection and "cottage cheese" vaginal discharge. Since you are on this forum, I assume this, and HOPE this, isn't the case.

Just get yourself some tamoxifen (nolva) on hand, and do it up at 20 mg qd if you have sx of burning nipples, enlarging nipples, sensitive nipples. While having sensitive nipples, etc.

Anastrazole will keep you leaner in the sense of decreasing anasarca (edema) your body may carry, but lets be honest, it doesn't fucking matter cause its only 12 weeksor 10 weeks and if you are worried about water weight, then maybe the bloating, itching, and lower pelvic cramping, you might want to get prozac for PMS. Just my 0.02.

NFG

 

[zips92]

You have mentioned several times in this thread that there are differing opinions on the opinion of aromatase inhibitors and estrogen related gains, and you are looking for a definitive answer. Welcome to the world of AAS. If all responsible AAS users had definitive answers to each potentially ambiguous hromone question, then it would be utopia........

First of all, kudos to trying to find out as much info as possible before starting. My OPINION would be to prevent the problem rather than treat the problem. Having ancillaries on hand before beginning your cycle is a must, and Nolvadex is a key one to have on hand. Also, I don't consider "water gains" as gains, so it depends on what you really want to accomplish with your cycle.

There is one other thing I noticed in one of your threads that wil drive you crazy, and that is you mentioned your doing Tren on this first cycle. Now you have introduced an entirely different realm and world of ambiguity and concern, prolactin/progesterone.

If you think the opinions on estrogen are indecisive and widespread, wait until you do some research on prolactin induced gyno and the relationship b/w estrogen, progesterone and prolactin. Many will say that nolva and traditional AI won't do a thing for prolactin related gyno, and you must have dostinex. Others will say that prolactin related gyno is a myth. Others will argue about the differences and similarities b/w progesterone and prolactin and whether the nandrolones (tren, deca, NPP) truly effect these problems.

I would NOT recommend doing tren for your first cycle, get some experience and knowledge first and see how your body responds to test and ancillaries. If you are determined to use Tren, IMO you should be more concerned about prolactin than traditional estrogen related gains, bloating or gyno. Good luck.

 

[bigrand]

Only a minority of people are affected by gyno in any cycle. And only with large doses of aromatizing testosterone. The list of side effects of anastrazole, and other aromatase inhibitors keeps growing. They fuck up your lipids for one, and my understanding is there is phase IV data coming out from Breast CA patients (their legitimate use) of some other serious consequences. My advice is to not touch anything with the word "zole" in it unless you have a yeast infection and "cottage cheese" vaginal discharge. Since you are on this forum, I assume this, and HOPE this, isn't the case.

Just get yourself some tamoxifen (nolva) on hand, and do it up at 20 mg qd if you have sx of burning nipples, enlarging nipples, sensitive nipples. While having sensitive nipples, etc.

Anastrazole will keep you leaner in the sense of decreasing anasarca (edema) your body may carry, but lets be honest, it doesn't fucking matter cause its only 12 weeksor 10 weeks and if you are worried about water weight, then maybe the bloating, itching, and lower pelvic cramping, you might want to get prozac for PMS. Just my 0.02.

NFG

Care to elaborate on those severe consequences? Aromasin tends to be less harmful on the lipids than the other "zoles".....and we both know the dangers to the liver of the anti-fungle azoles and tri azoles is much worse than that of an AI. That being said, still you should only use them when really needed. Last cycle i got so bloated and estro fatty that i felt like str8 shit all the time. I needed aromasin, i have estro fat problems anyway so it puts me on an even playing field.
Letro is very potent and should be used short duration, if you value your joints and your HDL levels.
Nolva and a-sin are the ways to go, a-sin being the better route (less lipid fuckage).

I actually only got estro symptoms bad when i combined estros with progestins (deca), wasnt as much of a problem with estros alone.

Not sure about prolactin.....althgough i can squeeze fluid out of the nips all the time, on cycle or not, but prolactin tests came up negative.