Ergopharm 11-OXO

[lanky]

PA added a new supplement to his line....(11 keto androstenedione),,,one metabolite may or may not be 11keto testosterone,,,supposivly its main action(and what it is marketed as) is as a selective cortisol modulator..i will let you know my review when my order arrives

 

[ksa]

cant wait for your review/short log.

what supps u using beside 11-oxo.

 

[truckdaddy]

the 3ad claims to have the same comound but double the MG and caps.....have you looked at that?

 

[Nelson Montana]

PA is always adding or subtracting a molecule here and there to an existing crappy supplement in order to create another crappy supplement.

After all the disaterous, supressive and inneffective supplements he's come out with, I'm surprised anyone is still to impressed by his work.

11 OXO -- does that make it five times more worthless than 6 OXO?

I don't care how much pharamcological knowledge was necessary to create something if the end result is bad.

Has everyone forgotten androsteine and nor androsteine and 1AD? They were all from the mind of PA and all meant to be legal steroids and they all turned out to be bogus estrogen bloating garbage.

Can't wait to see what he's selling next.

 

[lanky]

PA is always adding or subtracting a molecule here and there to an existing crappy supplement in order to create another crappy supplement.

After all the disaterous, supressive and inneffective supplements he's come out with, I'm surprised anyone is still to impressed by his work.

11 OXO -- does that make it five times more worthless than 6 OXO?

I don't care how much pharamcological knowledge was necessary to create something if the end result is bad.

Has everyone forgotten androsteine and nor androsteine and 1AD? They were all from the mind of PA and all meant to be legal steroids and they all turned out to be bogus estrogen bloating garbage.

Can't wait to see what he's selling next.

I disagree with you on the whole andro being innefective,,1-ad was a great ph,,nordiol and androdiol as well,,i do agree they did have very harsh side effects that i noticed myself...for the past 7 years i have found PA's products to be effective (except for their all -in- one post work out drink ,which gave me horrible gas). Keep in mind i do not buy every product PA comes out with.

I have tried almost every ph out there post ph ban of 2005....none have worked as of yet due to unknown factors maybe they did not contain the proposed ingredient.

SNS methyl drol xt(superdrol clone) about 70mg day ,3 bottles--no results
IDS mass tabs (17a methyl stenbolone) 2 tabs(60mg i think)- no results
Generic labz- mega H(halodrol clone) 100mg day- no results
generic labs mega trn- 17b methoxy trenbolone- skin looked good-felt weak/no muscle
Spectra force research hemaguno/ oxyguno/furaguno--tried all three with no results even 3 times the reccomended dose.hemaguno made my skin itch.
anabolic xtreeme--mass fx-4 caps a day--little boost in libido--nothing much else, had to stop short because it made me smell funny.

I think i spent well over $500 to test all these supps,,,well there goes the money i was saving to help put a down payment on a bass boat.

 

[lanky]

cant wait for your review/short log.

what supps u using beside 11-oxo.

no other supplements

 

[lanky]

the 3ad claims to have the same comound but double the MG and caps.....have you looked at that?

yea..i have heard that ax 3'ad may contain more 11keto androstenedione when it comes out in a month or so(it seems like ax release their products when high schools get out on summer break) (PA released his the week of college graduations). good marketing on both accounts..

i dont visit the bb.com or anabolic minds forum to much anymore ,,,so much drama there,,and everything is overhyped.

i just started the 11 oxo yesterday..package came overnight delivery even though i paid for 3'rd day air (dps nutrition makes a killing off of me) sigh..

 

[truckdaddy]

did you trty the Epi/havoc stuff?....i thought they worked pretty well with zero sides.

yea..i have heard that ax 3'ad may contain more 11keto androstenedione when it comes out in a month or so(it seems like ax release their products when high schools get out on summer break) (PA released his the week of college graduations). good marketing on both accounts..

i dont visit the bb.com or anabolic minds forum to much anymore ,,,so much drama there,,and everything is overhyped.

i just started the 11 oxo yesterday..package came overnight delivery even though i paid for 3'rd day air (dps nutrition makes a killing off of me) sigh..

 

[lanky]

did you trty the Epi/havoc stuff?....i thought they worked pretty well with zero sides.

I tried hemaguno (same chemical as epistane/havoc) based on the bottle label, i noticed my skin was a little itchy when i would start to sweat during the begining of my workout, maybe a little strenght increase(keep in mind i was off of work during the time i was taking the supplement so i just basicly ate/slept/ and went to the gym for those 4 weeks and was stress free, so that could have played a factor in the strength...

as fot the 11-oxo,,been on it two days, yesterdays w/o was normal. nothing to note yet..did not have much to eat today,,,work was crazy, 2 more 12 hr shifts to go this week

 

[nicolus]

PA is always adding or subtracting a molecule here and there to an existing crappy supplement in order to create another crappy supplement.

After all the disaterous, supressive and inneffective supplements he's come out with, I'm surprised anyone is still to impressed by his work.

11 OXO -- does that make it five times more worthless than 6 OXO?

I don't care how much pharamcological knowledge was necessary to create something if the end result is bad.

Has everyone forgotten androsteine and nor androsteine and 1AD? They were all from the mind of PA and all meant to be legal steroids and they all turned out to be bogus estrogen bloating garbage.

Can't wait to see what he's selling next.

You really think so? I have used two or three bottle of 6-oxo with creatine and arginine and thought that it worked well enough - keeping in mind that nothing legal is going to compare to the powerful illegal ones... Given that it was hyped up alot...