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EQ with Test Enenthate....good mix??

I will be in the minority here, but I suggest dropping the D-bol altogether.

D-bol is actually just a methylated eq anyway. Of course, they do behave differently inside the body.

Anyway, 300mg test and 300mg eq for ten weeks will give you all you need if you eat and train. Take it easy on the drugs.
 
Thanks again for all your replies guys. I have decided to turn to AS because I have had very little luck putting on weight and size using other more natural methods.

Like I said, I have a REALLY FAST metabolism. I eat about 5-6 meals a day....that includes almost two steaks and plenty of chicken (lots of protien). I took weight gain shakes and whey shakes as well...I even used some micronized creatine. Still...no luck. I must burn the shit off as soon as it gets into my body. During my last exam from my doctor, he told me I was in excellent shape and that my body fat was @ 8%.

So what else could I do? I thought about doing some ad-1/ad-4 but then I said f$ck it....just go for the real thing...stop rolling the dice with all this other stuff and just do it (AS). When I mentioned this to my friends at the gym, this is when they told me to use those extreme doses.

Am I still making a mistake?
 
Good luck!!! I am changing my post because Juice Authority posted a very good combo . Listen to the veterans they have been here a long time, seen alot, and helped alot of people out.......TAPOUTM:evilking:
 
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babbabuee said:
i ran 500mg sust/wk with 25mg dbol wks 1-4 of my first cycle.

my next cycel will be 500mg test/wk + 400mg EQ /wk, no dbol.

I think you don't need all that for a first cycle. take it easy on the first cycle and believe me, you're going to want to do another one so you can up it a bit then.

Actually your first cycle is where you make most of your gains. Your receptors are virgins. It's not uncommon for someone to gain 25-30lbs off their first cycle. My point is that you might as well make the most use of it and do it right. IMO the ideal first cycle would look like this:

Week 1-3:

D-bol - 40mg's ed
Test Enan - 500mg's per week
EQ - 300-500 mg's per week
Proviron 25-50mg's ed

Week 4-10:

Test Enan - 500mg's per week
EQ - 300-500 mg's per week
Proviron 25-50mg's ed

Three weeks out from the last shot of EQ:

Start Clomid as follows:

Day 1: Clomid 300mg
Day 2-10: Clomid 100mg/day
Day 11-20: Clomid 50mg/day

You might also want to include some of Nelson's supplements for psot-cycle recovery IN ADDITION to the clomid therapy.
 
canadianhitman said:
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Be sure to have lots of Nolvadex on hand just in case of gyno, and to run post-cycle. Good luck!

Should I get some Nolvadex in addition to the Proviron or use the Nolvadex during recovery?? How would I throw the Nolvadex into the mix? TIA.

/Victor
 
VictorZ06 said:


Should I get some Nolvadex in addition to the Proviron or use the Nolvadex during recovery?? How would I throw the Nolvadex into the mix? TIA.

/Victor

If you're running proviron at 50mg's ed there's really no need to run Nolva during your cycle unless estrogen fatty tissue is developing in the nipple area. I would start the Nolva at 20mg's the last week of your last cycle and through clomid therapy. Here, read for yourself:

"Proviron has four distinct uses in the world of bodybuilding. The first being the result of its structure. It is 5-alpha reduced and not capable of forming estrogen, yet it nonetheless has a much higher affinity for the aromatase enzyme (which converts testosterone to estrogen) than testosterone does. That means in administering it with testosterone or another aromatizable compound, it prevents estrogen build-up because it binds to the aromatase enzyme very strongly, thereby preventing these steroids from interacting with it and forming estrogen. So Mesterolone use has the extreme benefit of reducing estrogenic side-effects and water retention noted with other steroids, and as such still help to provide mostly lean gains. Its also been suggested that it may actually downgrade the actual estrogen receptor making it doubly effective at reducing circulating estrogen levels.

The second use is in enhancing the potency of testosterone. Testosterone in the body at normal physiological levels is mostly inactive. As much as 97 or 98 percent of testosterone in that amount is bound to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and albumin, two proteins. In such a form testosterone is mostly inactive. But as with the aromatase enzyme, DHT has a higher affinity for these proteins than testosterone does, so when administered simultaneously the mesterolone will attach to the SHBG and albumin, leaving larger amounts of free testosterone to mediate anabolic activities such as protein synthesis. Another way in which it helps to increase gains. Its also another part of the equation that makes it ineffective on its own, as binding to these proteins too, would render it a non-issue at the androgen receptor.

Thirdly, mesterolone is added in pre-contest phases to increase a distinct hardness and muscle density. Probably due to its reduction in circulating estrogen, perhaps due to the downregulating of the estrogen receptor in muscle tissue, it decreases the total water build-up of the body giving its user a much leaner look, and a visual effect of possessing "harder" muscles with more cuts and striations. Proviron is often used as a last-minute secret by a lot of bodybuilders and both actors and models have used it time and again to deliver top shape day in day out, when needed. Like the other methylated DHT compound, drostanolone, mesterolone is particularly potent in achieving this feat.

Lastly Proviron is used during a cycle of certain hormones such as nandrolone, with a distinct lack of androgenic nature, or perhaps 5-alpha reduced hormones that don't have the same affinities as DHT does. Such compounds, thinking of trenbolone, nandrolone and such in particular, have been known to decrease libido. Limiting the athlete to perform sexually being the logical result. DHT plays a key role in this process and is therefore administered in conjunction with such steroids to ease or relieve this annoying side-effect. Proviron is also commonly prescribed by doctors to people with low levels of testosterone, or patients with chronic impotence. Its not perceived as a powerful anabolic, but it gets the job done equally well if not better than other anabolic steroids making it a favorite in medical practices due to its lower chance of abuse".
 
WOW! Thanks for all the detailed info guys!

Can I get away with running 25mg of Proviron ED? Could I start with 25 and gradually go up to 50...with the EQ and Test kick in? My friend at the gym said not to start it until I am a week into the cycle. Any thoughts? Again, thanks all!

Also, my supplier sells EQ like this "200mg/ml - 10ml amps"...now just how mych EQ is this? I am having problems understanding some of this lingo...is it 10 amps each with 200mg or is it one multi-ject bottle with 10 ml each ml. containing 200mg? AH! So confused...

Thanks all,
/Victor
 
10ml = 10cc's so if you were planning on using 400mg's a week that would be 5 weeks worth, which is not enough.

200mg's/ml - 10ml vial = 2000mg's per 10ml vial.
 
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