EQ vs NPP for Lean Mass

[screwyou]

I know that NPP/Deca will make you look bigger during a cycle due to some water and added fat gain, but for pure lean mass, what would you estimate the dosage and cycle length would need to be for an EQ cycle to yeild the same lean mass gains (after fat and water) as 7 weeks of 700 mg EW of NPP? (both cycles would also have 500-700 mg EW Sust)


I know there's no magic conversion formula, but just some estimates from experienced user's who've used both would be appreciated.

thanks

 

[Bruce]

with deca u will get a bit more mass, eq is going to give you more lean mass. it depends on the bro, i don't bloat from deca and stay shredded the whole time. my prob with eq is it doesn't kick in till 8-10 weeks so i prefer deca

 

[Tux]

EQ's ester is only one carbon longer than deca, they both kick in about the same time. I never got much from deca, but I only ran it at 400/week max. To get the same gains as 700/week of NPP, I'd say probably 800/week of EQ, maybe 1g. EQ isn't quite as strong overall, but I like it much better than deca. EQ needs to be run about 12 weeks minimum though.

 

[_Yossarian_]

NPP will definitely give you more mass. Watch out for prolactin/progesterone sides at that dose thugh.

 

[PussyWhipped]

but the question is how much EQ needed to get same lean mass gains as the 700 mg of NPP.

bump 4 input.

 

[Madcow2]

At a minimum there will be a difference in the weight of the ester attached to each molecule. Shorter esters weigh less so for a given dosage by weight (i.e. 200mg) you get more molecules. There's just more testosterone in 100mg of suspension than in 100mg of cypionate. So even if you assume nandrolone and bold are the equivalant molecules, you'll have to adjust the dosage to compensate for the ester weight. Now as for a base molecule vs. a base molecule - I don't think there is any real proof out there. Most people who have used both deca and equip (both long esters so assume equivalent or do the calc) probably feel deca is better in this respect when used alone - no science just conjecture and worthless opinion obviously. So factor the ester weight and then fudge it a bit - try 20% or whatever makes you happy.

 

[UA_Iron]

NPP more bloat, EQ less bloat less overall gains

I'd run the EQ at 800+ to come closer to matching the NPP

NPP and nandrolones kind of make my nipples puffy - didnt have that problem on EQ.

 

[boyer]

NPP more bloat, EQ less bloat less overall gains

I'd run the EQ at 800+ to come closer to matching the NPP

NPP and nandrolones kind of make my nipples puffy - didnt have that problem on EQ.

Did you run any femara with the nandrolones? I have heard that this helps with the nipps?

 

[UA_Iron]

jumped on dostinex right away, been taking adex at .5mg eod and nolva at 20mg a day and it seems like I lost the tenderness - the puffiness is still kind of there but not as bad.

 

[boyer]

I experienced the same thing as you with npp/test. That is why I have been reluctant to try a nandrolone again, which sucks because my joints felt great on cycle.
I even used dostinex and armidex after the symptoms started. I have heard from others that femara works well to combat progesterone.

 

[UA_Iron]

I experienced the same thing as you with npp/test. That is why I have been reluctant to try a nandrolone again, which sucks because my joints felt great on cycle.
I even used dostinex and armidex after the symptoms started. I have heard from others that femara works well to combat progesterone.

I dont know if it was progesterone - the only two things to combat progesterone are Formestane and Winny and some say vitamin b something. To what degree winny binds to progesterone is unknown and how effective formestane is no one really knows either because for some reason no one uses it.

If femara combats it then it must be directly related to estrogen. Deca will aromatize slightly.

 

[boyer]

Vitamin b6 and dostinex combat prolactin.

 

[PussyWhipped]

yeah what boyer said re dostinex (cabergoline). but be ready to be REALLY depressed for a few days every week.

all in all, I think I'm stayinig away from nandrolones for awhile.