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what can I use to counteract the loss in libido? a small dose of test i.e. 250mg/week? proviron? more t-bol?? 
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bigrand said:
This is dangerous advice.
As I stated in previous threads, there is a huge difference between complete Pituitary/testicular inhibition(shutdown) and having reduced testosterone production(supressed). Recovery is FAR swifter and greater gains are maintained POST cycle.Furthermore, no major ancilaries are required. (Nolva, Trib, clomid if you choose)
I read the other thread.......where do you get this varying level of supressionVSshutdown?
The body recognises ANY excess androgens (all above drugs are androgenic allthough they vary in strength). And turns off the HPTA. The study you cited was a bad example, VERY VERY low dose of var in teenagers is far from what we use and they were still supressed. Any of his cycles will have a shutdown. Not like say an estered drug (test or nandrolone), but HPTA inhibition nevertheless.
AAS shut you down, he wants to cycle to put on good lean mass, so i say use test.......your case is different.....you dont want the risk of aromatizing to estro and the sides you get.
My advice is not dangerous at all......if you want to juice, prepare to be shut down.
Im premed/nurse practitioner student, so i look at the science behind it.....there is no way around HPTA supression if you are using juice.
The body recognises ANY excess androgens (all above drugs are androgenic allthough they vary in strength). And turns off the HPTA. The study you cited was a bad example, VERY VERY low dose of var in teenagers is far from what we use and they were still supressed. Any of his cycles will have a shutdown. Not like say an estered drug (test or nandrolone), but HPTA inhibition nevertheless.
AAS shut you down, he wants to cycle to put on good lean mass, so i say use test.......your case is different.....you dont want the risk of aromatizing to estro and the sides you get.
My advice is not dangerous at all......if you want to juice, prepare to be shut down.
Im premed/nurse practitioner student, so i look at the science behind it.....there is no way around HPTA supression if you are using juice.
bigrand said:BTW, i use shutdown and supressed interchangebly. There is no SHUTDOWN....just supression that reverses once exogenus androgens are ceased...but i mean the same thing....
NO MY MAN....
SUPRESSION is not the same as SHUTDOWN(Defined as COMPLETE PITUITARY/TESTICULAR inhibtion) I don't mean to be rude, but do more research. Saying this is misleading and incorrect. This ditinction is a FACT.
The HPTA recognizes synthetic androgens and triggers a negative feedback loop. HOWEVER, the extent to which a compound INFLUENCES the HPTA is dependent on several variables, one of which is how WELL IT BINDS TO THE A_R.(Androgen Receptor) This determines how ANDROGENIC a compound is. Estrogen also effects the HPTA. ESTROGEN IS THE WORST. Estrogen causes almost immediate PITUITARY/TESTICULAR inhibition. SO--there are two things that determine degree of SUPRESSION--Androgenicity and Estrogenicity.
Ergo, a COMPOUND that is is not ESTROGENIC and has LITTLE androgenic activity, will subsequently have LESS of an impact on HPTA function. This is a FACT. I have expereinced this.
TESTOSTERONE is ESTROGENIC and ANDROGENIC--do the math.
