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floridalife
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Would you guys ever run EQ alone if you wanted to do a mild semi side free cycle?
may add a small shot of sus ew
may add a small shot of sus ew
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EQ / BOLO question
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sensational
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floridalife said:
No, but I would run 400 EQ and 250 sust for your goals for minimum 12 weeks and max 16.
floridalife
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end eq 2 weeks earlier than the sus?
Selfcentor
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floridalife
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re: EQ
would you divide 400 into 2 times a week? what's the life on it, can;t find alot of info on it, this will be my first time tinkering with eq ..lol tinkering.. sounds like working a motor.
would you divide 400 into 2 times a week? what's the life on it, can;t find alot of info on it, this will be my first time tinkering with eq ..lol tinkering.. sounds like working a motor.
swordfish151
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floridalife said:
As a bridge yes, doing that now at 400mgs/wk for 8 weeks...as a full cycle....probably not...its awesome for collegen synthesis..
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hey sword tell me about this collagen synthesis?
Found what I was looking for
"As an undecylenate ester, boldenone needs only be injected every week (staying active well over 4 weeks), but because the preparations come in 25 mg/ml, users most often opt for 25-50 mg every day to every other day. A use of 300-400 mg per week seems to be the normal recommendation. Its not hepatoxic to any serious degree and can therefore be used for longer cycles. The appearance of underground forms of boldenone in higher concentrations (200 mg/ml) has made it easier to inject only once a week, which is to be preffered over the multiple dosings because it has a more even release and the cumulative effect shows much sooner. Speaking of cumulative effect, the best results with boldenone are seen when a user front-loads. Usually that means he will use a high doses of 600-800 mg/week for 2 weeks and then lower that dose to the normal 300-400 mg/week for the remaining 8-10 weeks."
Found what I was looking for
"As an undecylenate ester, boldenone needs only be injected every week (staying active well over 4 weeks), but because the preparations come in 25 mg/ml, users most often opt for 25-50 mg every day to every other day. A use of 300-400 mg per week seems to be the normal recommendation. Its not hepatoxic to any serious degree and can therefore be used for longer cycles. The appearance of underground forms of boldenone in higher concentrations (200 mg/ml) has made it easier to inject only once a week, which is to be preffered over the multiple dosings because it has a more even release and the cumulative effect shows much sooner. Speaking of cumulative effect, the best results with boldenone are seen when a user front-loads. Usually that means he will use a high doses of 600-800 mg/week for 2 weeks and then lower that dose to the normal 300-400 mg/week for the remaining 8-10 weeks."
swordfish151
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floridalife said:
Top 5 aas for collagen synthesis is EQ, deca, primo, anavar.
"How to Increase Collagen Synthesis
Originally posted by AnimalMass on competitivemuscle.com
While injecting test increases protein syntesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.
Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.
Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen syn while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.
You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.
While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.
To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:
Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days
Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.
GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.
Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.
Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you."
floridalife
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Great info I'm going to really read through that in a min.
I'm all set on my EQ , i'm going to frontload for 2 weeks too, the only thing i can not find a definate answer or proof on is that it shuts down test production by itself, requiring test.
I'm all set on my EQ , i'm going to frontload for 2 weeks too, the only thing i can not find a definate answer or proof on is that it shuts down test production by itself, requiring test.
floridalife
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So bottom line re EQ is not only does it add lean skeletal muscle, but it's also good for your tendons & ligaments, actually one of the best there is. That about sum it up?
swordfish151
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floridalife said:
Yes it will shut you down, but that doesnt mean you need Test to compensate. Keep in mind, or better yet ask yourself WHY do you want to the test even though you know the EQ will shut you down? Libido? Well I can tell you that on the current bridge at 400mgs/wk of JUST EQ i am shutdown..but libido shut down..NO, not at all...libido is the same and actually found a "benefit" I guess you can say in that during sex it takes a while to finish the deed....think its like Cialis for me. Either way not everyone needs to run TEST, I know many that run Deca ALONE, no test, NO Libido issues...EQ is the same..try even TREN..each person will be different in the way they will react to the compound. I thought I would have serious libido issues with just the EQ, come to find out..Im ok running it alone. Also another factor will be the dosage...Im running it real low..I cant comment on anything over 400mgs/wk as when I have run more then that i have stacked other compounds.
swordfish151
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floridalife said:
Yes sir...
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swordfish151 said:
Gracias, thanks for pointing it out, it was a benefit of EQ I had never heard of.
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floridalife said:
Sparetire runs 200-300mg of just eq and swears by it...my last cycle was 600 eq and 250 test.....im running cyp 400 and eq 400 and running the eq either 12 or 14 weeks depending on how i feel...400-600 is sufficient i wouldnt go above that, 600 gave me anxiety real bad, i divided my injections and it subsided but I wouldnt frontload like you were planning.
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why wouldn't you frontload?
swordfish151
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floridalife said:
Apparently the volume of the total injection has a direct impact on the half life of the compound injected. The smaller the volume the more absobtion surface area is available to the body. THis means with higher concentration gear your body would get a higher spike in levels from the injection but a shorter half life. The higher volume provides a more linear release into the body and increases bioavailbility. Make sense.
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swordfish151 said:
soooooooooooooo you're saying there's a chance?
i dunno it just came out.. but seriously.. you're saying front loading eq can make sense?
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floridalife said:soooooooooooooo you're saying there's a chance?
i dunno it just came out.. but seriously.. you're saying front loading eq can make sense?
Yes it CAN make sense, but personally I dont do it either....to me the amount absorbed by the body is just a waste in comparison to the amount you inject..some swear by frontloading but you dont see it done much anymore.
floridalife
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only reason i would do it is to get more stored as it seems EQ takes a good 3-5 weeks to start showing itself
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P4D2A022 said:
Im 245lbs right now and running 400mgs/wk as a bridge..I typically run 600mgs/wk and no more then that on a regular cycle.
To straight out answer your question, I dont think its on the low end at all..especially if your going to run it for 15wks...this is usually the minimum length I run EQ at (15 - 20 weeks) .. have you ran EQ before?
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P4D2A022 said:
Sounds like my upcoming cycle.
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P4D2A022 said:
From my experience..little over the 7th week for strength and what not, but the vascularity will depend on your level of BF..for me its usually around week 4. As far as appetite, EQ reallly doesnt affect me that bad..then again I wouldnt know, I'm always eating.
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herdus33 said:
I never really guage the cardio benefits, well at least this time I did since im runnning EQ alone (bridge) for 8 weeks and noticed around the first month...nothing spectacular, right now im noticing though that Im breathing pretty heavy while lifting but doing ok when doing cardio..interesting.
sensational
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herdus33 said:
But this would equate to a larger pump, and thus some people would pussy out for sure.
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Sensational said:
I do see what you are gettin at. When i ran eq before i tried running speed intervals for awhile just to change somethings up. I noticed that while I was running at the faster pace, I felt like I could just keep goin w/no problems. At the slower pace, my legs would get an incredible pump and almost make me have to stop.
I guess that would be similar to swordfish's experience.
eq will trigger the production of EPO in the kidneys which is the messedger that tells your body to produce more red blood cell. Andrgens do the same thing. the problem is that the net gain is small 3-8% so you need to be at the absolute edge of your ability to notive a bit extra. (meaning the final push up a 15 drgree 3 mile hill at-then, you ntivr mile 125 after riding at 27 mph all day--you noticr tighy righy nrfotr you trdt positive and get banned for life
sensational
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herdus33 said:
I think his gf or wifey attacked him mid post.
nzrodney
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well long term use of Eq does effect red cell numbers & seems to result in a thickening of the blood which does put more pressure on the cardio vascular system. Noticed by increased vascularity, increased BP & shortness of breath. Some users use aspirin or donate or purge blood on a monthly basis.
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nzrodney said:
I'm gettin lost in a whole lot of contradicting information now.
I thought tren was the one that would cause shortness of breath and eq could be used in combination with tren to avoid that specific side effect. It is also stated on several info sites that EQ is a good drug of choice for endurance athletes.
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herdus33 said:
Actually not true, depending on the user tren/eq can cause severe shortness of breath...Im one of them..everytime I run tren/eq I tell you ... breathing becomes very hard..Im finding that im one of those folks that EQ affects the same way, but like it has been mentioned EQ does increase red blood cell count and is probably why its happening.
enacer420nj
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purge blood? wtf? I would think that would fuck with your aas levels or is that the point lol
floridalife
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Sensational said:
hahaha i was wondering the same thing!
FYI i read up to a 20% gain in endurance but generally 10-15%
I started yesterday on EQ frontloading 600 for 2 weeks then down to 400/week
Claims of "seeing/feeling" it I have read anywhere from 3 to 6 weeks
We shall see.. wonder why it takes so much longer to show itself than other compounds, i mean I hit it yesterday morning technically it's in my system and doing it's thing, right?
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floridalife said:
Right...
floridalife
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damn you are fast lol
I always felt this whole when can you see it or feel it thing was silly.
If you inject something, it is in your system shortly there after, effecting your bodies mechanics.
I always felt this whole when can you see it or feel it thing was silly.
If you inject something, it is in your system shortly there after, effecting your bodies mechanics.
floridalife
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I even tried looking at it in a mirror still doesn't make sense hahaha
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Regarding the original question... EQ is better run with something that will start acting quicker. With just EQ you are going to have a long time to wait to notice much change in strength / size. And as for the "little bit of sust," I'm with one of the earlier posters... if you're going to add sust, might as well go for it. An EQ + small amount of sust cycle is gonna completely shut your nuts off with minimal gains.
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