Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Hey there, still an as virgin here lookin for a first cycle. I'm 5'10" and 195. I would like to put on about 15lbs of solid lean mass. I know about diet and training. My two biggest concerns are waterbloat and keepable gains. Now that ya'll heard my goals and concerns, what do ya'll suggest. I am definitely going to do Eq 400mg/wk for 10 wks. Was thinkin bout stacking winstrol but since it is so expensive wondering if something would maybe work better for less money or if I even need anything. My friend says I should use sust. Any suggestions on whatelse I should be lookin into.
Eq and ? for first cycle
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Greek Freak
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I would run some test(cyp or enanthate) at the same dose as your eq..you should grow really well off that.
lawnsaver
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To maintain your gains is easy if you do the right things. When you come off, make sure you do what ever it takes to keep estrogen levels low and stimulate your HPTA into production. Second, you must EAT to maintain new muscle gains. If you dont, you will go into a catabolic state. Protien is needed now more than during a cycle. If you dont keep your body in an anabolic state, you will lose gains. Third, dont train as hard. Lower your reps and intensity so that you dont produce to much cortisol.
I started training with gear about 6 years ago. In that time I have gone from 195lbs to carrying 250lbs without gear. I do this by eating as if I'm on.
Summary: Get HPTA going fast, while keeping estrogen low. Eat to maintain new muscle; Protien, protien, protien. Lower your intensity while training
I started training with gear about 6 years ago. In that time I have gone from 195lbs to carrying 250lbs without gear. I do this by eating as if I'm on.
Summary: Get HPTA going fast, while keeping estrogen low. Eat to maintain new muscle; Protien, protien, protien. Lower your intensity while training
bigAragorn
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alotta guys are saying test and i totally agree.....if this is your first cycle you could easily grow off a total of 600mgs of total stacked gear say prop and eq.....
ldex is good to have on hand maby take 1/4 mg eod starting at week 3 this is a low dose but it should be enough to keep you from looking like a water ballon also keep your diet clean just up the amout of food that you eat to many people just eat as much as they can onthere first cycle and let me tell you that is when you will start holding a lot of water.
bigAragorn
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Dr.Big said:
definately...liquidex is a must have IMO and those of many others.
Silverback316
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I would definately throw test in there and would go with enanthate if you could get it. I am 20 years old and am on my first cycle of fina and test right now and I have gone from 218 lbs to 260 lbs in 10 weeks. I am doing 37.5 mg of fina ed and did 200 mg of test the first 6 weeks and am now doing 300 mg a week. Keep the doses low for the first time as it is your first time.
SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY
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For first cycle... do 250mg/EW of Sustenon and 400mg/EW of EQ. Eat well, train well, and sleep well.
Steer clear of the Anti-E's until you KNOW you need them. As a precaution, have Nolvadex and Liquidex on hand... so you can move quickly if a problem arises. If you start the Anti-E's at the beginning of your cycle, they'll significantly cut into your gains. Only throw'em in when you know there's a need. I made this mistake 6 weeks ago when I started a similar cycle. I've since binned the L.dex and Proviron and am making better progress now.
Steer clear of the Anti-E's until you KNOW you need them. As a precaution, have Nolvadex and Liquidex on hand... so you can move quickly if a problem arises. If you start the Anti-E's at the beginning of your cycle, they'll significantly cut into your gains. Only throw'em in when you know there's a need. I made this mistake 6 weeks ago when I started a similar cycle. I've since binned the L.dex and Proviron and am making better progress now.
Nutri-Wrestler
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SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY said:
How will anti-e's, or more specifically anti-aromatase's hinder gains since they stop the conversion of test to estrogen. Seems to me that the less test converts to estrogen the better. Just remember the test and estrogen are seperated by only 1 or 2 functional groups....
The only thig i could see it stopping is water retention
SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY
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I'm sure water retention varies from one person to another. This is the first cycle where I've used anti-E's(L.dex&Proviron)during the cycle, since day one specifically. My gains are not near past cycles, even though I'm using nearly twice the miligrams of past cycles. I was getting hard, big-time... but I want to mass-up during this stage of my cycle. I'll cut right up during the next stage(Tren&V). The authenticity of my gear is unquestionable, diet is good, sleep is good, training is good. When I posted my cycle and its(lack of)progress, all responses pointed me in the direction of L.dex and Proviron as being the culprits. I discontinued the L.dex last week, the Proviron yesterday.
I realize that the bulk of what I'm on right now are long acting esters(Sustenon/EQ)and I might be a little impatient. However, I'm in my 6th week now and should be showing more than just hardness.
I realize that the bulk of what I'm on right now are long acting esters(Sustenon/EQ)and I might be a little impatient. However, I'm in my 6th week now and should be showing more than just hardness.
Nutri-Wrestler
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That could be it
Nutri-Wrestler
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johnboy said:
Dont you think that would cause toomuch fluctuation in blood levels?
Nutri-Wrestler
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Shears said:
Thanks for the info
I am really only taking my liquidex to stop tyhe bloat and gyno. Im sure some will convert, but im not worried, until i have tits bigger than fat bastards
