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this too much for a first cycle.. 6'1 227 11 to 14% bf
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Largepaws said:
yes.. goals are maybe 10 to 15 lbs of lbm.. like to see the vascularity as well as hardness that eq gives.. the test is thrown in so my cock stays true to the ladies.. would that even be needed.. thanks for the help fellas..
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HardHat87 said:
did you see any sides
Bigdogmikey
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I used 600mg of eq for 7 monthes, no sides. If yuo b/f is low under 12% eq will work good. if its 10% it will work better. My b/f at the time was 14-16% i did not see any vascularity. once i droped to 11% i started to show. My advice is 1. Test/tren 500/225(tren burns alot of fat and is better for veins) 2. do cardio for 2 monthes get down to 10 /11% and do 500mg of test 12 weeks and 400mg of eq for 14 weeks. Or use test and deca if you dont plan on droping b/f before the cycle
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well what i'm trying to do is put on some decent mass and strength coming up then shred nice for summer.. i alrady have some decent veins popping out so i'm guessing ill see alot more with the eq.. i dont want to do tren for my first everyone tells me not too..
Bigdogmikey
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trens really not too bad, if you have some veins mix up the eq with some b12, a nice stack would be 500mg of test 12 weeks, 400mg of eq 14 weeks, b 12 3000-6000 mcg a week for 14 weeks and 20mg a day of nolva followed by clomid for pct...thats a nice basic cycle
TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
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Bigdogmikey said:
Big Dog still uses Clomid???
SaleenMustang91
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hey do u guys think that the 250mg of test and the 600mg of eq will tear up the hairline?
SaleenMustang91 said:
Saleen, I tried to post this link yesterday for you in another thread but it did't show up so I'll try again. MBP is a concern of mine as well.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8056
Finasteride seems like it would help with this cycle if hair loss is a concern.
I'm confused though....I thought EQ was mild and didn't F@#K w/the hairline. I've used Sust before at 250-500mg/wk no problems.
I'm interested to hear what other have to say??
SaleenMustang91
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thanks a lot bro....yea i mean..i really thought Eq didnt really hurt the hair but people now are saying that it does and Eq supposedly kills ur libido so i was thinking of 250mg of test, 400mg of Eq and 50 mg var...use the test to counteract the loss of libido..but i dont want to lose my f'en hair!
oatmeal933
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Do u have any reason to think you will lose your hair? Steroids don't MAKE you lose hair, they can however speed up/accelerate a genetic condition if you are predisposed to it. I ran 500mg of Test per week for 12 weeks for my first cycle, and the only sides I experienced were mild back acne, but no lose of hiar, no gyno, or anything else. Now if you are 25 and already have a bald spot on the crown of your head or a receeding hairline, that's anoth issue.
FYI - I am about to run 600mg EQ/week plus 250mg TEST/week for 12 weeks for cycle #2. It will be highly anabolic lean gain cycle with minimal androgenic effects due to the low (but neccessay) TEST dosage.
500mg TEST per week just makes me blow up too much; I can hardly fit in my old cloths anymore, thus the switch to higher EQ and lower TEST doses.
FYI - I am about to run 600mg EQ/week plus 250mg TEST/week for 12 weeks for cycle #2. It will be highly anabolic lean gain cycle with minimal androgenic effects due to the low (but neccessay) TEST dosage.
500mg TEST per week just makes me blow up too much; I can hardly fit in my old cloths anymore, thus the switch to higher EQ and lower TEST doses.
slat1
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Call me old fashioned or what ever... but... I still believe you only use one compound for your first cycle... test. It is very basic science. You want to see how your body responds to the compound. If you add in another compound you will have no idea if both work well or if one does and the other doesn't.
That said here is what I would do at your size:
wk 1 - 10 test ent 500mgs ew
*Hope you have HCG and Clomid!
Good Luck
That said here is what I would do at your size:
wk 1 - 10 test ent 500mgs ew
*Hope you have HCG and Clomid!
Good Luck
oatmeal933
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The issue with Test only is that steroids that are highly androgenic and have a high conversion ratio to estrogen also have the property that they suppress appetite. Since it is so essential to consume high amounts of calories while juicing, EQ helps with the hunger, is almost purely anabolic, and allows you to run a lower level of test, i.e. run 250 each of EQ and Test instead of 500mg of just test. You are substituting away from androgens and towards anabolics.
FknKnuckleHd
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Phaded said:
You're asking this question and you've been around here since 2003...what the hell have you been doing all this time?
I've taken my share of eq and I'm certain one of the reason you're taking it is for vascularity benefits, what works best for that is a strict diet. I personally don't care all that much for eq, I feel Deca works so much better. Quite frankly I don't recall ever really see much if anything from any of my eq cycles. I always see good def, size & strength from deca not to mention it ails those sore joints....that's why its my favorite.
I would bump up the mg's of test to 500mg ew and be sure to have all the necessary pct on hand after the cycle or else sex will be the furthest thing from your mind.
Good luck with that,
FKH
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when i went plat it set my jon date back 2 years i signed up in december of 2004
Like Oatmeal said, your hair problems are decided by your family tree. Not by steroids. If you lose hair due to your genetics Test derivatives will speed up the process. Eq and test have been about the same for most people with hairloss. Eq is test based, it's close to being liquid dbol as a matter of fact. If you're concerned then use Proscar while on and shampoo with Nizoral 2%. That should take care of it.
As far as the cycle goes, it couldn't be any better if I'd written it myself.
As far as the cycle goes, it couldn't be any better if I'd written it myself.
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i dont have the genetics for hairloss there is no hairloss in my family however.. i've experienced hairloss from using accutane when i was younger.. there are many documented cases of hairloss relating to accutane you can look it up via google.. anyhow i was just wondering if this is the same as genetics and if i do use aas will it kill my hair i guess i might only be able to find out if i try..
Chemotherapy will make your hair fall out too. Lots of things will.
But the reason AS makes your hair fall out is DHT conversion in the scalp. The ease with which your scalp does this is determined by genetics. If you're not losing hair and would not anyways, then it's unlikely you'll lose it from using AS. And if you do, it will probably just grow back.
But the reason AS makes your hair fall out is DHT conversion in the scalp. The ease with which your scalp does this is determined by genetics. If you're not losing hair and would not anyways, then it's unlikely you'll lose it from using AS. And if you do, it will probably just grow back.
