Eq 12 wks or 16 wks... Difference in results?

[SLICED]

For those bros who've ran eq before, is there a substantial increase in gains from running it longer than 12 weeks?

I had originally plan to run it 12 weeks at 400 mg/wk, but I've read gains get better the longer eq is run. Would 12 weeks suffice?

 

[ryan04]

Not for me. No matter what I use, I stop gaining after 10. I like to run 16 wk cycles though because I think the added time on helps the body adjust to the new weight easier.

 

[cyrex]

one reason for gains to stop/slow down is because of diet. as you gain weight you need to eat more.. after 10 weeks if you've gained 25 lbs you may need to get another 500 calories a day to keep gaining.

 

[SLICED]

So go with it for 12 weeks then? What if it is part of a 22 week cycle?

 

[cyrex]

So go with it for 12 weeks then? What if it is part of a 22 week cycle?

if it's part of a 22 weeks cycle and I assume test is involved
run it 20 weeks
with test up to the 22nd week

 

[Mr.X]

So go with it for 12 weeks then? What if it is part of a 22 week cycle?

why are you doing a 22 week cycle? any special reason.

 

[itlnstln]

For those bros who've ran eq before, is there a substantial increase in gains from running it longer than 12 weeks?

I had originally plan to run it 12 weeks at 400 mg/wk, but I've read gains get better the longer eq is run. Would 12 weeks suffice?

For me, week 12 is when I really feel the full benefits of EQ - but then again, that's just me.

 

[immortalis]

For me, week 12 is when I really feel the full benefits of EQ - but then again, that's just me.

This seems to be the concensus for people that really use EQ. I suggest 16 weeks.

 

[cyrex]

Don't count out 13,15, and 17 weeks though . . . or maybe stopping your last shot so that it is 13.5 or 15.5 weeks.. not like even numbered cycles do anything better than an odd weeked cycle...

I'd say plan to have enough for at least 16 weeks and then if you are happy with your gains at 12 weeks, stop, go another week or two and if you are still gaining and want to continue, then by all means continue, stop whenever you feel you have met your goals or for any other reasons (sides, personal, whatever). Have a plan, but don't feel like you must stick to it (going the full x weeks), however if you are running test along with it, run the text at least an extra week past the EQ so that way they wear off around the same time or at least so the test wears off last to aid in PCT.

 

[scout69]

EQ 16 weeks

 

[DieselGunz]

15 is a good happy meduim, I mean shit it kicks in pretty late I would try to get the most of its full potency

 

[UFC22]

I'm running my Eq a 750mgs/EW for 12-16wks I'm going to decide when i'm on as far as the length of the cycle goes.

 

[SLICED]

Mr X, it is part of this 22 week cycle I have constructed. I have a goal in mind by end of September where I want to be and I think with the proper, diet training nutrition and ofcourse the gear I have outlined below I can get there.

I'm at 5'9" - 5'10" at 180 lbs, 10.5% bf and I hope to make it to 200 with a ending bf of 7 - 8%... do u think it is realistic?

Bulk:
Var 40mgs Weeks 1 - 8
Test E 500mgs Weeks 1 - 8
Off time Weeks 9,10
PCT(Clomid + Nolva) Weeks 11, 12
Extra week of Off time Week 13

Cut:
Test E 500mgs Weeks 14 - 24
Eq 600 mgs Weeks 14 - 26
Winny 50 ED Weeks 19 - 24
ECA/CLEN 6 wk rotation Weeks 18 - 24
Off time Weeks 24 - 27
PCT (Clomid + Nolva) Weeks 27 - 31
25 mg of Proviron Weeks 18 - 24
HCG 1000 ius per week at 500 ius twice a week for 4 weeks before PCT and stopped at PCT

.5mg of A-dex during Bulk and will bump it to 1mg per day for Cutting cycle because I want to stay dry as possible

 

[cyrex]

your cycle is completely pointless for the following reasons:

you are doing PCT in the middle of a cycle?.. why?

let me summarize:
for 8 weeks you will be taking exogenous testosterone and shut down your natural testosterone production so you do PCT for only 2 weeks which may not be enough to get your natural levels up (most agree on 4 wk PCT for a Test cycle) then you take 1 week off of taking anything and hop back on for another 10 weeks to get that natural test production back down. What is the point?
why not just do an 18 week cycle and cut out the PCT in the middle. Add in some HCG along the way to blow the deflated gonads back up if needed later on in the cycle.

If you are set on doing a long cycle here is what I suggest based off of your initial plan:
wk 1-20 Test E 500mg/wk
wk 1-6 40mg Var (Test E should kick in around wk 4 so it's not needed much longer)
wk 1-18 EQ 600mg/wk
wk 16-21 Winny 50mg ED

Supplement with whatever (ECA/Clen/T3, sesapure, glucorell, etc)
PCT (you look like you got a decent handle on your last PCT w/HCG)


now to meet your goal which i have translated into basically dry/lean gains:
Eat 1.5 g protein per lb of bodyweight and for total Cal/Day start out at about 250 Cal above your daily expenditure (basically 1 extra protein shake or so) then taper up to about 750 Cal over daily expenditure over the course of 3 weeks. The point of this is to ramp up your Caloric intake as the Test and Var kick in and your muscles respond. This should prevent gaining much (if any) fat those first few weeks. Then stay at that level of Cal/day. You shold be gaining weight with that and ever few weeks adjust it back up to 750 Cal over your caloric intake (should go up with added muscle). around wk 14, start tapering back down to about 500 Cal/day over daily expenditure so you hit it when you add in the Winny. stick with about that much till the last injection and slowly taper down to your new (you gained some muscle here) daily caloric expenditure and keep it right there until PCT is over.

 

[SLICED]

your cycle is completely pointless for the following reasons:

you are doing PCT in the middle of a cycle?.. why?

let me summarize:
for 8 weeks you will be taking exogenous testosterone and shut down your natural testosterone production so you do PCT for only 2 weeks which may not be enough to get your natural levels up (most agree on 4 wk PCT for a Test cycle) then you take 1 week off of taking anything and hop back on for another 10 weeks to get that natural test production back down. What is the point?
why not just do an 18 week cycle and cut out the PCT in the middle. Add in some HCG along the way to blow the deflated gonads back up if needed later on in the cycle.

If you are set on doing a long cycle here is what I suggest based off of your initial plan:
wk 1-20 Test E 500mg/wk
wk 1-6 40mg Var (Test E should kick in around wk 4 so it's not needed much longer)
wk 1-18 EQ 600mg/wk
wk 16-21 Winny 50mg ED

Supplement with whatever (ECA/Clen/T3, sesapure, glucorell, etc)
PCT (you look like you got a decent handle on your last PCT w/HCG)


now to meet your goal which i have translated into basically dry/lean gains:
Eat 1.5 g protein per lb of bodyweight and for total Cal/Day start out at about 250 Cal above your daily expenditure (basically 1 extra protein shake or so) then taper up to about 750 Cal over daily expenditure over the course of 3 weeks. The point of this is to ramp up your Caloric intake as the Test and Var kick in and your muscles respond. This should prevent gaining much (if any) fat those first few weeks. Then stay at that level of Cal/day. You shold be gaining weight with that and ever few weeks adjust it back up to 750 Cal over your caloric intake (should go up with added muscle). around wk 14, start tapering back down to about 500 Cal/day over daily expenditure so you hit it when you add in the Winny. stick with about that much till the last injection and slowly taper down to your new (you gained some muscle here) daily caloric expenditure and keep it right there until PCT is over.

Cyrex my dumbass apologizes... that's what I had originally planned, but it changed it later to this:

Var 40 mg weeks 1 - 8
Test E 500mg weeks 1 - 20
Eq 400mg weeks 1 - 12
Winny 50mg per day weeks 17 - 22
Clen/ECA rotation 13 - 20
pct starting in week 23 till week 27
Proviron 25 mg per day weeks 13 - 20
HCG 1000 ius per week 4 or 6 weeks prior to PCT and stopped at PCT.

.5 mg ED adex during bulker,(initial 12 weeks)
1mg ED adex during cutting phase (weeks 13 - through pct)

Cal intake for the 1st 12 weeks would be at 4000 cals per day
macro ratio 40p/40c/20 fat

then changed to roughly 2000 cals per day for weeks 13 - 20

My goal here is to gain some lean muscle in the 12 weeks (hopefully 10 - 15 lbs) then to maintain that muscle size while losing 3%'s of body fat in the later part of the cycle with the help of clen, eca, and winny and a low caloric intake diet as i described above.

How does that sound to you?

macro ratio 60p/30c/10 fa

 

[cyrex]

again, I'd run the EQ all the way up to about 2 wks before last Test shot . ..

 

[SLICED]

again, I'd run the EQ all the way up to about 2 wks before last Test shot . ..

Would there be any point in that to run it that long? I would think I'd reap most benefits out of the drug by the latest week 16....?