Endomorph cycling, training and Eating

[VictorBR]

keep us posted vic

>> For sure bro

 

[Mac173]

>>> Bro , your BMR is probably close to mine since our stats are similar , of course assuming you are anywhere from 22-28 years old . Right now , I am 26 years old , 6 "1 , 210 at 12 % .

I am trying to reach 200 and 9 % to start my bulker . I am dieting naturally .
3 and a half months ago I was 240 and 26 % .

So , My guess is that 4000 might be a bit too much for you , of course you will pack on the muscle , but with that muscle is gonna come some fat also .

This is how I see it ( just an example ) :

1 ) Eating 4000 cals , let's say you would gain 20 lbs of pure muscle + 10 lbs fat .

2 ) Eating 3000 cals , let's say you would gain 12-15 lbs of pure muscle but ZERO FAT .

What would you prefer ?

Personally I prefer number 2 , but I guess this is very personall , a lot of people will prefer to gain 20 lbs os muscle instead of 12 lbs with the mentality that : " oh I can always lose this fat later " .

But not me , I am just TIRED of dieting down , losing fat , I am really tired , so I can't afford myself to gain any fat at all .

Victor

I'm 25 5'11". I decided to take measurements last night to track my progress. I'm at wk 8.5 and this is what has happened. Over all weight has gone up 10-12lbs. I have added 5/8 on each arm and almost 3/4 on calves but 1.25 on the midsection. Didn't measure thighs yet. Not sure if I should be happy about that or not.

 

[VictorBR]

I'm 25 5'11". I decided to take measurements last night to track my progress. I'm at wk 8.5 and this is what has happened. Over all weight has gone up 10-12lbs. I have added 5/8 on each arm and almost 3/4 on calves but 1.25 on the midsection. Didn't measure thighs yet. Not sure if I should be happy about that or not.

>> It all depends on your personall goals . We are all different . Me , personally ( this is ME , you might be different ) , I wouldn't be happy with an increased midsection . But that is me because I am extremely tired of dieting . If you can finish this with bigger arms , calves , bigger muscles overral and only like 1.0-1.5 inches added to midsection you should be fine .

BUT IMO if you have more than 2 inches added to your WAIST , you did something wrong in terms of diet . Although like I said this is very personall , some people will think it is ok to add 3-4 inches in the midsection when bulking as long as they also increase muscle size to a respectable degree .

I think different . It all depends on the person's genes and diet and personall goals. MAYBE , stress on "MAYBE " by eating 3000-3200 calories you could have added instead of 5/8 arms and 3/4 calves , something like 4/8 and 2/4 , but your midsection would still be the same . See my point ?

I would prefer to keep my midsection intact . But like I said , that is just my opinion .

Victor

 

[Mac173]

I've kept my diet cleaner this time more so then ever. So if I gain too much fat then I know it is the quantity instead of quality of cals. Everything has been chicken, skim milk, eggs, whey and oats. Need to get more greens in my diet though.

 

[VictorBR]

I've kept my diet cleaner this time more so then ever. So if I gain too much fat then I know it is the quantity instead of quality of cals. Everything has been chicken, skim milk, eggs, whey and oats. Need to get more greens in my diet though.

>> good point . At least you know it is the quantitie not the qualitie . So like you said , if you gain too much fat , you know you went to high on the cals , next time you won't go that high . BUT , IMO ,This doesn't mean you can't adjust MID-CYCLE , if you see you are gaining too much fat , don't wait to finish the cycle , just reduce the cals .

this is trial and error untill we find what works best for us . we are all different and what might work for me , might not work for you .

Still , it is trial and error but I am not willing to RISK an increased midsection . So I will start my next cycle , which will be my FIRST BULKER EVER , with 2800 cals . Probably will increase to 3000 , and then MAYBE 3200 , but I am 99 % sure I will not go over 3200 .

But from my past experiences with AAS , when using it , I don't really need a lot of cals to build muscle . So 3000 might be just perfect for me to the point where I am building tons of muscle but still keeping my midsection with the same measures .


Victor

 

[sofakingdel]

>>> Bro , your BMR is probably close to mine since our stats are similar , of course assuming you are anywhere from 22-28 years old . Right now , I am 26 years old , 6 "1 , 210 at 12 % .

I am trying to reach 200 and 9 % to start my bulker . I am dieting naturally .
3 and a half months ago I was 240 and 26 % .

So , My guess is that 4000 might be a bit too much for you , of course you will pack on the muscle , but with that muscle is gonna come some fat also .

This is how I see it ( just an example ) :

1 ) Eating 4000 cals , let's say you would gain 20 lbs of pure muscle + 10 lbs fat .

2 ) Eating 3000 cals , let's say you would gain 12-15 lbs of pure muscle but ZERO FAT .

What would you prefer ?

Personally I prefer number 2 , but I guess this is very personall , a lot of people will prefer to gain 20 lbs os muscle instead of 12 lbs with the mentality that : " oh I can always lose this fat later " .

But not me , I am just TIRED of dieting down , losing fat , I am really tired , so I can't afford myself to gain any fat at all .

Victor

whoa Vic I read your diet and starving thread earlier and it looked like you worked hard, but lookin at the numbers you've posted about your trasfomation in 3 months i'm envious of your drive and discipline bro

 

[VictorBR]

whoa Vic I read your diet and starving thread earlier and it looked like you worked hard, but lookin at the numbers you've posted about your trasfomation in 3 months i'm envious of your drive and discipline bro

thanks for the compliment bro , From 240 and 26 % to 202 and 9 % ( hopefully in 2-3 weeks I can reach this , I am really close ) takes a lot of discipline for sure and an intense drive .

My advice is that you gotta find something to motivate you , my biggest motivation was the fact that I broke with my g/f . Being single does a man good . My drive , discipline and intensity at the gym are clearly way BETTER when I am single . Actually I read studies that single guys have higher test levels than guys who are engaged / married .


Victor

 

[sofakingdel]

thanks for the compliment bro , From 240 and 26 % to 202 and 9 % ( hopefully in 2-3 weeks I can reach this , I am really close ) takes a lot of discipline for sure and an intense drive .

My advice is that you gotta find something to motivate you , my biggest motivation was the fact that I broke with my g/f . Being single does a man good . My drive , discipline and intensity at the gym are clearly way BETTER when I am single . Actually I read studies that single guys have higher test levels than guys who are engaged / married .


Victor

i'm married, i better order more test lol

 

[VictorBR]

i'm married, i better order more test lol

>> heheheh more test is always good

Victor

 

[sofakingdel]

thanks for the compliment bro , From 240 and 26 % to 202 and 9 % ( hopefully in 2-3 weeks I can reach this , I am really close ) takes a lot of discipline for sure and an intense drive .

My advice is that you gotta find something to motivate you , my biggest motivation was the fact that I broke with my g/f . Being single does a man good . My drive , discipline and intensity at the gym are clearly way BETTER when I am single . Actually I read studies that single guys have higher test levels than guys who are engaged / married .


Victor

yo vic I know gear had some influence on your fat loos but their is no denying that your diet and work ethic were the most significant factors. I wish the guys that posts something like 'what gear do i need to get cut up for spring break' could look at the progress you made and see that the gear isnt an easy solution or fix all, you beed the discipline and work ethic too