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DRveejay's Comprehensive ASSAULT on Cholesterol!

geoboy said:
When you say you're skeptical, is it of the substitute-HDL claims above?

I would appreciate some literature on this. :)

geoboy said:
When you say you're skepticalis it of the ldl-lowering/hdl-raising claims?

Garlic HAS been shown to lower LDL and thereby TOTAL chol levels. The only prob is that ALL the literature reflects SHORT term results (3 months max!). This seems kind of "useless" as poor cardiovascular health is a progressive disorder.
 
rjl296 said:
very good post.
what do you think about niacin in high doses for hdl cholesterol ??

From my post:

"Due to possible hepatotoxic effects, I do NOT recommend straight Niacin. High doses of Niacin can also be responsible activating peptic ulcers, impairing glucose tolerance, and precipitating gouty attacks. And many niacin-takers suffer from flushing, headaches, nausea, heartburn, and diarrhea. There are better choices—above."


More:

"Safety Issues

The side effects of niacin are well known. The most common and bothersome side effect is the skin flushing that typically occurs 20 to 30 minutes after taking the niacin. Other occasional side effects of niacin include gastric irritation, nausea, and liver damage. In an attempt to combat the acute reaction of skin flushing, several manufacturers began marketing "sustained-released," "timed-released," or "slow-released" niacin products. These formulations allow the body to absorb the niacin gradually, thereby reducing the flushing reaction. However, although these forms of niacin reduce skin flushing, they are actually more toxic to the liver. A recent study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) strongly recommended that sustained-release niacin be restricted from use because of the high percentage (78 percent) of patient withdrawal because of side effects; 52 percent of the patients taking the sustained-release niacin developed liver damage, while none of the patients taking immediate-release niacin developed liver damage.

Again, inositol hexaniacinate is the safest form of niacin currently available. Both short- and long-term studies show it is virtually free of side effects other than an occasional person experiencing mild gastric upset or mold skin irritation.

Because niacin can impair glucose tolerance, is should probably not be used in diabetics unless they are under close observation. Niacin should not be used in patients with pre-existing liver disease or elevation in liver enzymes; gout; or peptic ulcers.

Regardless of the form of niacin being used, periodic checking (minimum every 3 months) of cholesterol and liver function tests are indicated when high-dose(i.e., 2 to 6 grams per day) niacin, inositol hexaniacinate, or niacinamide therapy is being used."


Since MOST of us tax our livers with the gear we use, it's just NOT a wise choice!
 
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drveejay11 said:


I would appreciate some literature on this. :).

This is from a post here awhile back. don't know who original poster was (can prob find the thread), i saved it in a txt file:

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...A few pages later in this same issue of JAMA, a startling new finding showed that garlic prevents arterial occlusion by the same mechanism as HDL-cholesterol.2,3,4 Previous studies demonstrated that garlic protects against arteriosclerosis, but it was not clear how it does so 5-11

One way arterial occlusion occurs is when LDL-cholesterol binds with molecules secreted from the inner lining of the artery, forming tiny plaques that can accumulate and harden. HDL-cholesterol inhibits this process by absorbing excess plaque-forming molecules.12,13

According to the JAMA report, garlic extract works the same way as HDL cholesterol, but more potently. The researchers who conducted the study stated that, in concentrations relative to man, "garlic extract was 2.5 times more effective in inhibiting plaque formation than was HDL-cholesterol."

What the JAMA authors did not discuss was the positive impact that high-HDL confers on longevity. A common trait of people living to age 100 is high levels of HDL-cholesterol in their blood.14 It is not easy, however, to significantly elevate HDL levels. Even with the proper drugs and supplements, it is extremely difficult to raise HDL more than 27%. In some people, it is hard to get HDL levels to nudge upward at all. The fact that garlic extract was shown to be 2.5 times more effective in inhibiting arterial plaque formation than HDL represents a potential breakthrough in the prevention of the most common disease afflicting civilized man, i.e. plugged-up arteries.

The JAMA editors cautioned against supplementing with garlic because the potencies of active constituents vary so greatly between brands. Life Extension does not agree with this position based upon the fact that standardized aged-garlic extract under the Kyolic brand name is readily available to consumers. Previous studies confirm the protective effect of Kyolic garlic extract on the arterial wall.5,8

The best news is that the Kyolic company has finally come out with a high-potency caplet that enables most people to swallow just one a day to obtain 1000 mg of standardized aged garlic extract. For more than a decade, Life Extension had asked the makers of Kyolic for a high-potency supplement so that users would not have to swallow so many capsules. Based on the research reports we have reviewed, it would appear that one 1000 mg Kyolic caplet should be taken for every 1.1 pounds of food eaten a day...

For longer life,

William Faloon

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References

1. JAMA, September 18, 2002, 288(11):1342.

2. Garlic Prevents Plaque, JAMA, September 18, 2002, 285(11): 1342.

3. Siegel, et. al., Effect of Garlic on Arteriosclerosis, presentation at NIH workshop on herbs and heart disease, August 2002.

4. Siegel, G., A Primary Lesion Model for Arteriosclerosis Microplaque Formation, Int. J. Angiol, 2000, 9: 129-134.

5. Efendy et.al., The Effect of the Aged Garlic Extract, 'Kyolic', on the Development of Experimental Atheriosclerosis, Atherosclerosis, 1997, 132: 37-42.

6. Fogarty, M., Garlic's Potential Role in Reducing Heart Disease, BJCP, March/April 1993, 47(2): 64-65.

7. Campbell, JH et. al., Molecular Basis By Which Garlic Suppresses Atherosclerosis, J. of Nutrition, March 2001 Suppl, 131(3S): 1006S-1009S.

8. Borek, Antioxidant Health Effects of Aged Garlic Extract, J. of Nutrition, March 2001 Suppl., 131(3S): 1010S-1015S.

9. Lau, Benj., Suppression of LDL Oxidation by Garlic, J. of Nutrition, March 2001 Suppl., 131(3S): 985S-988S.

10. Slowing et. al., Study of Garlic Extracts and Fractions on Cholesterol-Fed Rats, J. of Nutrition, March 2001 Suppl., 131(3S): 994S-999S.

11. Ho et. al., S-Allyl Cysteine Reduces Oxidant Level in Cells Involved in the Atherogenic Process, Phytomedicine, 2001, 8(1): 39-46.

12. Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine, 15th ed., 2001, The Pathogenesis of Atherosclerosis, 1377-1382.

13. Stein, et. al., Internal Medicine, 1988, 1889.

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Nice post bro.....thanks.

I have read too many things recently regarding the less-than-impressive results from Garlic. It certainly DID seem to catch fire, and I used it along with the masses of others.....but I personally have not seen ANY changes since I've stopped its use (I do blood checks very regularly).

I DID put it in the list of things that MAY bemnefit, I am just not as "enthused" about GARLIC as I once was. It "may" help......"maybe not". I've just read too many articles/abstracts revealing its efficacy (or lack thereof). It's a shame because it had potential.

Here's some reading viewing garlic's questionable reputaion:

http://www.cspinet.org/new/garlic_pr.html

http://www.cspinet.org/new/garlic_sups.html

http://www.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/12/06/food.garlic.reut/
 
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thanks for the post man. My doc has me on the time release niacin and I just cant take the flushing, wakes me up at night and I have a hard enough time getting to sleep, you know?

anyways, you got me curious on the Policosanol, whats the dosage and have you seen it online anywhere?

karma.

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