dr. said hcg can boost natural test by up to 400%

[bullandbear]

I saw a doctor yesterday about getting my grandparents on hgh. I told him I'm on test winny and hgh. He said he puts his clients on hcg and an anti estrogen and gets up to 400% increases in natural test. Has anyone ever heard of this or had an experience with it?

 

[r1]

That's pretty common. About half-way through my HRT trial, I started using very small amounts of HCG (per Swale's protocol) in addition to injectible Testosterone (Test Cyp).

Last blood test before addition of HCG:
Total T: 504 ok (241-827)
Free T: 17.8 ok (9.5-43.0)
E2: 17 ok (13-54)

First blood test after addition of 500 iu/week of HCG:
Total T: 1249 H (241-827) [247% increase]
Free T: >52.0 H (9.5-43.0) [>300% increase]
E2: 36 ok (13-54) [211% increase]

My E2 jumped up a bit, but it was in the low range to begin with.

Many people see the same results when adding HCG to Test. It is a very powerful combination. Keep in mind that these dosages of HCG are tiny. 500 iu/week is hardly anything considering the typical HCG bottle contains 10,000 iu. You end up throwing most of it in the trash since it only keeps for 60 days.

Sonny

 

[Dial_tone]

There are some docs that use HCG instead of test for HRT. There must be a very fine line since HCG can shut you down too. I'd be suspect of longterm 400% increases, but I can see short-term boosts that high.

 

[satchboogie]

3 consecutive pct's, ive gained about 10 pounds.

my buddy who i train with is a steroid guru and even he was like WTF???

i mean on PCT we lose mass NOT gain!

anyhow, he figured out its possible the combination of hcg, taurine, creatine, and high cals can lead to dramatic gains.

this last pct too i managed to gain 8 pounds.

my hcg intake is:

5000i.u every 3-4 days for a total of 5 injects.

 

[r1]

There are some docs that use HCG instead of test for HRT. There must be a very fine line since HCG can shut you down too. I'd be suspect of longterm 400% increases, but I can see short-term boosts that high.

Yep...Dr Shippen is the pioneer of that method, I think.

His combo is Selegiline alone or Selegiline + HCG. Selegiline + HCG is really powerful if you can keep E2 in check.

I responded very well to Selegiline, but I can't find any info on whether or not it is HPTA-suppressive, so I've stopped using it while I attempt to get my system running normally again.

http://www.selegiline.com/

It works on dopamine in the brain, but one of the side effects is that it boosts T production.

Sonny

 

[sparetire]

3 consecutive pct's, ive gained about 10 pounds.

my buddy who i train with is a steroid guru and even he was like WTF???

i mean on PCT we lose mass NOT gain!

anyhow, he figured out its possible the combination of hcg, taurine, creatine, and high cals can lead to dramatic gains.

this last pct too i managed to gain 8 pounds.

my hcg intake is:

5000i.u every 3-4 days for a total of 5 injects.

my hrt doc told me to run hcg 1000 ius for 10 days straight with some nolva. I've done about 6 days so far and my lil' guys are half way back. I was pretty shut down.. So i'm glad to see that someone else here, like the satch man, is running hcg at these dosages also..

 

[Makavelli]

Of course it's possible. If you use nolva with it. The nolva will block the effects of estrogen, which will be elevated due to higher test levels, which will in turn keep test high. How long you can continue this for is undetermined.

 

[ALIN]

I saw a doctor yesterday about getting my grandparents on hgh. I told him I'm on test winny and hgh. He said he puts his clients on hcg and an anti estrogen and gets up to 400% increases in natural test. Has anyone ever heard of this or had an experience with it?

some doctors will use hcg for TRT.

 

[slat1]

I don't cycle without HCG on hand before I start. That should let you know how highly I think of it!

 

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my hrt doc told me to run hcg 1000 ius for 10 days straight with some nolva. I've done about 6 days so far and my lil' guys are half way back. I was pretty shut down.. So i'm glad to see that someone else here, like the satch man, is running hcg at these dosages also..

what do you consider pretty shut down? I am a bit concerned about coming off afte rbeing on for 12 of the last 14 months.