Don't want to do anything stupid...

[stevesmi]

I think the OP definitely needs to stop being lazy and he will be the first to admit it but yeah ziggie is right not everyone will react to just diet and cardio unfortunately. some of us have genetic issues or have over years developed negative implications of our lifestyles

when I was younger I could eat whatever I wanted and I stayed skinny.. i was the skinny fast kid at recess.. then once i got older and the metabolism slowed down i had to be much more strict about my diet.

 

[Zyglamail]

I understand what you are saying and agree Zyglamail. Just making sure that the basics of getting in the gym more than 3 days a week and training hard are covered. As far as the 20 sets I mean per major bodypart. 20 sets for back, 20 for legs, etc. Less for biceps, triceps, calves, etc.

Depending on how one trains more than 3 days a week may not be needed. Think Yates and Mentzer for example.

Personally I dont do "bodypart" training. I dont do curls, leg extension and all that BS. Heavy compound movements with a little support work for things like rotator cuffs etc.

For the longest time I used to think people that couldnt drop a few pound were either lazy and not working out like they said or had no self control and werent eating as clean as they said but over the years there has been a common theme here and all over the internet.

There are people from all walks of life who diet and train religiously and simply do not get the results one would expect. Sure, many people lie about their diet and workout ethic but do they all? Could they all simply be lieing? Or is there more to it? If there is more to it, then what is it.

Having been at these forums for over 13 years now you start to see trends. You see people who when asked clearly are not putting in the required effort to control weight and stay in shape. But then there is a significant portion who truly seem to be trying. When questioned about their lifestyle, sleeping habits, hormone levels and other potential medical issues you start to see a lot of common denominators. localized excess fat collection, low energy, often low sex hormones, inability to sleep, moodiness, brain fog and the list goes on.

Many of these people have seen their doctor and told everything is fine and all lab values are in range but yet they struggle. The human body strives for homeostasis so if exercise is taking place and even a modicum of clean eating is taking place the body will strive for a fit and healthy fat level. So when people really are trying and trying hard and its still not happening its because there is something else wrong and it cant be fixed with drugs.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I realize your just trying to help and your advice may work for a lot of people but those that think that diet and exercise alone can always get ride of bodyfat and if not add more cardio are sadly mistaken.

Why is it so easily accepted around here that AAS builds muscle but when it comes to losing fat, if you cant lose it your lazy and have no self control. If ones ability to gain muscle can be directly associated with taking AAS then why cant ones inability to lose fat be directly related to ones ability to produce T3?

As for training, if you can goto the gym and in a single week do 20 sets of heavy deadlift, 20 sets of heavy backsquats and say 20 sets of rows and 20 sets of RDL's your a much better man than me.

His thyroid is likely in the shitter. Armour would likely do him a world of good. Too bad every doc in the world would want to prescribe T4 instead.
Taking AAS beats the shit out of your thyroid. At your age OP, your thyroid is already slow as hell. You are going to compound your problem. Fuck, I;m 37 and I have hypo in my family and from likely AAS use I have made the hypo even worse. I now take 60mg Armour 2xED and 25mcg T3 in the A.m.
I would recommend getting the proper blood work done before hand.

 

[testionate]

His thyroid is likely in the shitter. Armour would likely do him a world of good. Too bad every doc in the world would want to prescribe T4 instead.
Taking AAS beats the shit out of your thyroid. At your age OP, your thyroid is already slow as hell. You are going to compound your problem. Fuck, I;m 37 and I have hypo in my family and from likely AAS use I have made the hypo even worse. I now take 60mg Armour 2xED and 25mcg T3 in the A.m.
I would recommend getting the proper blood work done before hand.

Glancing at Armour, T3 and T4, it looks like what I might be looking for. I'll get a blood test and get my thyroid tested and see what my doc says. Bustin my ass for no change sucks. Thanks for the direction!!

 

[nh3master]

yeah get that thyroid checked, been there done it, 51 yrs old an on 100mcg a day. food is not your friend with hypo thyroid.

 

[stevesmi]

His thyroid is likely in the shitter. Armour would likely do him a world of good. Too bad every doc in the world would want to prescribe T4 instead.
Taking AAS beats the shit out of your thyroid. At your age OP, your thyroid is already slow as hell. You are going to compound your problem. Fuck, I;m 37 and I have hypo in my family and from likely AAS use I have made the hypo even worse. I now take 60mg Armour 2xED and 25mcg T3 in the A.m.
I would recommend getting the proper blood work done before hand.

I would assume tren would be the #1 AAS to crippling the thyroid.

is that what you think you abused to have this current problem?

 

[Zyglamail]

Glancing at Armour, T3 and T4, it looks like what I might be looking for. I'll get a blood test and get my thyroid tested and see what my doc says. Bustin my ass for no change sucks. Thanks for the direction!!

The problem with T4 is your body needs ample selenium for the enzyme to convert it to T3. Most people are not only deficient in iodine (main building block of thyroid hormones) but also selenium so the 2 need to be supplemented together.

Armour seems to be the best option but before going down that road proper supplementation to bring thyroid back online would be the wisest choice.

The problems with labs for thyroid is that unless they are above/below range the doc says your fine and everyone believes them. Remember this isnt about being broken or not its about percentage of optimal.

Everyone here knows that a natural test level of 900 is better than a test level of 300 but both are in range and by many docs your fine with either number but how you feel with either of those numbers is a world apart.

The same logic applies to thyroid function. Just a few tenths of a point can mean the world of difference between not only how you feel but how the rest of your body functions.

 

[Zyglamail]

I would assume tren would be the #1 AAS to crippling the thyroid.

is that what you think you abused to have this current problem?

Personally, based on information I have seen from othermolecular docs, a large portion of those with hypo issues can be easily returned to optimal health with proper supplementation. Those that cant be returned to optimal thyroid function with supplementation alone generally need much less armour when supplementation is employed.

There is a lot more to thyroid function than just lack of base nutrients for proper creations and synthesis of thyroid homeones but there is an abundance of competing elements we are flooded with every day.

Iodine is a halide, so is fluoride, bromide and a few others. We are exposed to massive amounts of the other unneeded/toxic halides daily and are deficient in iodine. That means that in addition to low iodine intake we force out what little we do get with an abundance of the unneeded toxic halides.

Even if a person does get ample iodine (which Dr Brownstein for example found only 5% of his many thousand patients did) its forced out by other halides.

Let me try and put this into terms many here will understand.

think of clomid/nolva, they are a couple oestrogens that bind to the estrogen receptor but dont activate it. However since they bind to the same receptor as estrogen they prevent estrogen from binding and doing its thing.

bromide/fluoride and the other halogens basically act like clomid in the example above the compete at the receptor level with iodine so iodine cant do its job. So not only do we need iodine in ample quantities to meet our bodies needs we actually need more because it has to directly compete with the other halides we are bombarded with.

Most of us in the US have been drinking fluoridated water our whole life, this displaces iodine. No wonder there is a hypo epidemic in this country.

 

[testionate]

I would assume tren would be the #1 AAS to crippling the thyroid.

is that what you think you abused to have this current problem?

Never done Tren before.

 

[testionate]

The problem with T4 is your body needs ample selenium for the enzyme to convert it to T3. Most people are not only deficient in iodine (main building block of thyroid hormones) but also selenium so the 2 need to be supplemented together.

Armour seems to be the best option but before going down that road proper supplementation to bring thyroid back online would be the wisest choice.

The problems with labs for thyroid is that unless they are above/below range the doc says your fine and everyone believes them. Remember this isnt about being broken or not its about percentage of optimal.

Everyone here knows that a natural test level of 900 is better than a test level of 300 but both are in range and by many docs your fine with either number but how you feel with either of those numbers is a world apart.

The same logic applies to thyroid function. Just a few tenths of a point can mean the world of difference between not only how you feel but how the rest of your body functions.

Makes sense. Thanks.