Doing WHEY only pre-post workout????

[The Shadow]

We are talking about 2 different studies.

One is from a hunger standpoint.

The study I referred to refers to the actually difference between ENHANCED WHEY(it had extra bcaas added) and Casein in terms of LBM gains.

This is significant as the vast majority of folks do NOT USE Casein in a pre and certainly not a post workout scenario.

The implications are that while Whey hits quickly and does good things where insulin levels are concerned...LBM GAINS WERE SIGNIFICANTLY higher in the combo-protein mix.

I have never been a big fan of Whey preworkout anyway, even in gatorade etc, and I am even more convinced that it isnt the "best" way to go before a workout.

 

[florencia]

Real food is almost ALWAYS better than engineered food (protein powders).

Times I think there is a benefit to engineered foods ..... 1) Post-WO for quickness of absorption, 2) if the alternative is NO MEAL at all, and 3) to help boost protein intake without adding a lot of calories from carbs and fat.

I think so too!
TSO says she cooks like 900lbs. of chicken breasts...i cook gallons of egg whites!
Chicken also! I have found a new way to eat them...ask butcher to grind chicken breast, then add parsley, salt & pepper, a hint of ground oats, 1 TBSP milk make long "tounge" like patties to your oz. consumtion and place on hot skillet with pam!!!Yum yum yum!!!

 

[gymmum]

I think so too!
TSO says she cooks like 900lbs. of chicken breasts...i cook gallons of egg whites!
Chicken also! I have found a new way to eat them...ask butcher to grind chicken breast, then add parsley, salt & pepper, a hint of ground oats, 1 TBSP milk make long "tounge" like patties to your oz. consumtion and place on hot skillet with pam!!!Yum yum yum!!!

Sounds delicious Florencia..

 

[jpt]

So Shadow....you Think Something Like A Muscle Milk Would Be Good For Pre And Pwo?

 

[c3bodybuilding]

Your best bet for a post workout shake is 20-60 grams of whey (depending on size) mixed in water, some simple carbs, glutamine peptides and creatine. If you are using slin, then use the accurate number of carbs. Otherwise just pop some Rala 15mins before your workout is finished and have about 30grams of carbs with the shake.

The Casein would be a good idea for someone who might have to return to work after their workout and wouldn't have time for a real meal anytime soon. But you want that first shake absorbed and done quickly, so you are able to eat a high quality meal of carbs and protein an hour after your shake.

As for a preworkout shake. It's best to eat a high quality meal a couple of hours before you train. Then have a small whey shake with some skim milk 45mins prior to the workout. That way you get the longer lasting casein effects, without spending extra money on another bottle of powder. Also be sure to add some glutamine peptides and creatine in there as well. Regular glutamine is garbage and isn't used by the body.

If any of you want some great tips, go to professionalmuscle, A LOT of IFBB pro's and their gurus post there. You would be amazed at some of their little secrets. Great stuff all around.


BTW JPT, muscle milk would be a terrible post workout drink.

 

[The Shadow]

....again.

LOL


That is not what the new study revealed.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

So Shadow....you Think Something Like A Muscle Milk Would Be Good For Pre And Pwo?

Probably not - because of the fat content.

 

[Miss24k]

....again.

LOL


That is not what the new study revealed.

What is YOUR opinion S?

 

[The Shadow]

Im not a fan of muscle milk as stated for the fat content.

24 - it makes sense if you do a whey/casein pre AND post.

Timeline:

PREWORKOUT(Whey plus Casein) - whey hits quickly
MID/LATE WORKOUT - Casein "ball" is trickle feeding
POSTWORK(Whey plus Casein) - pre workout Casein ends trickle - Whey hits fast...then the 2nd dose of Casein forms ball and trickle feeds.


I think the theory of doing both makes a LOT of sense.

ESPECIALLY since the whey/casein peoduced more LBM than WHEY/Bcaas(bcaas generlaly used to prevent lbm LOSSES during training)

 

[jpt]

so one scoop of ON whey and one scoop of muscle milk would be ideal before and after? fat content in muscle milk is only 6g with one scoop