Does this rock or what?!

[iamnikvanhelsing]

Sust 500mg/week 1-12
Deca 300mg/week 1-12
EQ 200mg/week 1-12
Tren 75mg EoD week 8-12

PCT Nolva and Hcg, dont rate Clomid.

Now this is 3rd cycle first was Sus/Deca 250/200 week

2nd Virormone 100mg eod Winny 100mg eod

I'm looking for good size/strength/hardness/quality
Calories worked out to about 4000/day
30 min intense cardio 3 times a week, using new Humanapro protein 2xday plus protein from food altogether between 250-300g/day.

Stats: 5'10", 183lbs, about 8%bf. Started gear 12 months ago at about 150lbs.

Whats the verdict? I'm getting stocked up with everything to start in June so plenty of time to make any changes.

Really appreciate any suggestions, cheers guys.

 

[Froachie]

Sust 500mg/week 1-12
Deca 300mg/week 1-12
EQ 200mg/week 1-12
Tren 75mg EoD week 8-12

PCT Nolva and Hcg, dont rate Clomid.

Now this is 3rd cycle first was Sus/Deca 250/200 week

2nd Virormone 100mg eod Winny 100mg eod

I'm looking for good size/strength/hardness/quality
Calories worked out to about 4000/day
30 min intense cardio 3 times a week, using new Humanapro protein 2xday plus protein from food altogether between 250-300g/day.

Stats: 5'10", 183lbs, about 8%bf. Started gear 12 months ago at about 150lbs.

Whats the verdict? I'm getting stocked up with everything to start in June so plenty of time to make any changes.

Really appreciate any suggestions, cheers guys.

Too much... you dont need equi and deca in the same cycle... you are like a kid in a candy store

Sust/Equi will be enough... save the tren for later... equi is better than deca in my opinion....you will be a monster after sust and equi...your appetite will go thru the roof with equi

 

[slat1]

I have to wonder if you diet is right. I'm 240+ and don't use that much AAS. If your diet/routine are on the money you should be able to gain a lot off way less than that!

 

[anticure]

id drop the EQ or the Deca... IMO drop deca

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

Ok cool, no deca this time round then. As mentioned I do get a bit like a kid in a candy store, I just want everything all at once! So Sust, EQ, drop the deca and save the Tren for next time. Sweet, cheers guys.

 

[Slyder190]

Drop either the EQ or Deca and stop it a wekk earlier than you would the Sus, so it all leaves your system at the same time. Run Tren weeks 7-12 and use hCG in the final weeks of your cycle (the last 3 would be good) and use Nolva AND Clomid for PCT. That would rock.

 

[mrplunkey]

Think 500 mg's Sust / 200 mg's EQ are an effective combo? Would you up the EQ any with the deca being dropped?

I ask because I'm considering the following combinations for my next 10-weeker:

500 mg's ultratest / 200 mg's EQ
500 mg's ultratest / 300 mg's EQ
400 mg's ultratest / 400 mg's EQ

It's my third cycle... i'm 233 @ 11.5% BF and have been clean around 2.5 months. Planning to cycle again right around the 3 months clean mark.

 

[krishna]

I'd drop the deca and run 400 EQ. Keeping the tren should keep you hard throughout.
sust - 500
EQ - 400
tren - 75 eod

 

[bicepts101]

deca and eq are fine to use together regarless of what some people think...

they are ttwo TOTALLY different compounds and im tired of hearing people say they are similar.

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

I love this place! You get so many people with different opinions. I think I'm gonna go with:

Sus250 250mg/week
BOLD200 200mg/week
Deca 200mg/week

At the end of the day on just the Sus and Deca at 250/200/week I've grown about 14lbs over 10 weeks so the addition of the EQ at these doses should give a nice extra kick I'm hoping. Might even throw in the Tren weeks 8-12 to get nice and hard!! I'll see how it goes.Well I'm startin this one next month so I will post results.

Thanks everyone.

 

[bicepts101]

I love this place! You get so many people with different opinions. I think I'm gonna go with:

Sus250 250mg/week
BOLD200 200mg/week
Deca 200mg/week

At the end of the day on just the Sus and Deca at 250/200/week I've grown about 14lbs over 10 weeks so the addition of the EQ at these doses should give a nice extra kick I'm hoping. Might even throw in the Tren weeks 8-12 to get nice and hard!! I'll see how it goes.Well I'm startin this one next month so I will post results.

Thanks everyone.

my rule of thumb with eq is no less than 400mg ew for me its no less than 600

 

[Slyder190]

deca and eq are fine to use together regarless of what some people think...

they are ttwo TOTALLY different compounds and im tired of hearing people say they are similar.

I hear ya, but they are both anabolics that stack well in cycles. I don't see the point in putting out the money to run both.

 

[RADAR]

my rule of thumb with eq is no less than 400mg ew for me its no less than 600

I agree--EQ min dosage 400mg on up!!!!!


RADAR

 

[Bruce]

eq gotta be 600, 400 least, 200mg are you joking

 

[PantherG45]

sust and eq...eat like a horse...put on lean body mass...use the tren at the end if you feel the need to, but you probably won't have to at your size. Eq. 400mgs like the other bro said, whether or not you believe eq. and deca are too similiar or not, its not worth the money for both, and IMO eq. is better.

 

[Clean]

my rule of thumb with eq is no less than 400mg ew for me its no less than 600

same here!

 

[RADAR]

I disagee........................sigh! EQ & Deca are entirely two different compounds, There is a world of a difference running both together.
They do not compete with the same receptors.
Try it before you condem it.
RADAR

 

[PantherG45]

They are not the same compounds, and maybe they don't compete for the same receptors, I have seen studies proving both, and don't know what to believe, but you are using eq. or deca for the same reason, just like you wouldn't use abombs and dbol in the same cycle(barring them both being 17AA's), thats all i am saying

 

[RADAR]

They are not the same compounds, and maybe they don't compete for the same receptors, I have seen studies proving both, and don't know what to believe, but you are using eq. or deca for the same reason, just like you wouldn't use abombs and dbol in the same cycle(barring them both being 17AA's), thats all i am saying

I see what you are saying, this is like " is drinking winny as effective as injecting it?"
Everyone will have an opinion on it regardless what studies show.


RADAR

 

[UA_Iron]

I love this place! You get so many people with different opinions. I think I'm gonna go with:

Sus250 250mg/week
BOLD200 200mg/week
Deca 200mg/week

At the end of the day on just the Sus and Deca at 250/200/week I've grown about 14lbs over 10 weeks so the addition of the EQ at these doses should give a nice extra kick I'm hoping. Might even throw in the Tren weeks 8-12 to get nice and hard!! I'll see how it goes.Well I'm startin this one next month so I will post results.

Thanks everyone.

Dont pixy-dust your AAS dude. I was unimpressed with EQ at 400mg/week.

Personally I would NOT drop the deca, but rather the EQ.

test 500mg/week
deca 450mg/week
tren weeks 8-12
I'd run an oral all the way up till PCT too, but thats just me. You will avoid the slide into catabolism and let the long esters clear.

 

[bicepts101]

I disagee........................sigh! EQ & Deca are entirely two different compounds, There is a world of a difference running both together.
They do not compete with the same receptors.
Try it before you condem it.
RADAR

exactly bro

nandrolone:
promotes intramuscular fat(inturn better pumps and gains)
doesnt aromatize to estrogen
causes a high amount of sodium retention-
derived from progesterone
gives some pretty big gains with most users

equipoise:
promotes a very high increase in red blood cell count
aromatizes into estrogen but at a very slow/small rate
water retention is almost none-existant
gives off slow consistant gains(keepable)
increases hunger

these are the things ive gathered from these compounds from personal use and from users feedback. feel free to pick out any flaws.

now, to me these two compounds together are far from a waste of time or money. seems like they compliment eachother pretty well. eq can be used in ANY cycle, cutting or bulking. why not bulk with eq, deca, test? that is a great stack.... in know needsize uses them together

 

[needsize]

man do I ever get sick of seeing people post stuff about steroids without any proof of any sort. Eq and deca are about as far apart as any two steroids can be, and you'll never see anyone who has run the two of them together saying anything different. Its always just people that read something once, or heard something in a locker room, regurgitating that opinion.
Thats like saying you cant combine tren and masteron(which is a great contest combo), or you cant combine any steroids for that matter, they all have the same basic effect on the body, which is simply to increase nitrogen retention, thats it! So by that logic, they are all the same thing, and you are wasting your time and money by combining anything. And I seriously doubt, that there were ever any actual "studies" posted which compared the two drugs
I've run eq and deca as the basis of every cycle for the last two years, and continue to get bigger on every one....but I guess if I am wrong, then instead of bing 260lbs at 5'8", then I guess I should be 300lbs or so, if I knew what i was doing

 

[bicepts101]

man do I ever get sick of seeing people post stuff about steroids without any proof of any sort. Eq and deca are about as far apart as any two steroids can be, and you'll never see anyone who has run the two of them together saying anything different. Its always just people that read something once, or heard something in a locker room, regurgitating that opinion.
Thats like saying you cant combine tren and masteron(which is a great contest combo), or you cant combine any steroids for that matter, they all have the same basic effect on the body, which is simply to increase nitrogen retention, thats it! So by that logic, they are all the same thing, and you are wasting your time and money by combining anything. And I seriously doubt, that there were ever any actual "studies" posted which compared the two drugs
I've run eq and deca as the basis of every cycle for the last two years, and continue to get bigger on every one....but I guess if I am wrong, then instead of bing 260lbs at 5'8", then I guess I should be 300lbs or so, if I knew what i was doing

thanks for backing me up bro

im running them together now....NPP, EQ, TEST....ive ran EQ, test before and absolutly sucked compared to this

 

[needsize]

thanks for backing me up bro

im running them together now....NPP, EQ, TEST....ive ran EQ, test before and absolutly sucked compared to this

I'm not a big fan of people just regurgitating something they read once, especially when its not true
glad the combo is working out for you

 

[RADAR]

This thread only reinforces my belief,thats why next month for the first time i will be combining this combo into by cutter.


RADAR

 

[bicepts101]

This thread only reinforces my belief,thats why next month for the first time i will be combining this combo into by cutter.


RADAR

cool bro...hope it works out


needsize...cant hit u back bro

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

Well this turned into quite the debate didn't it! So from what I can gather 200mg EQ is basically an ineffective dose right? So I will up this to 400mg (I already ordered some more anyway cos I thought this might be the case). Also am gonna keep the Deca in there at 200mg, this has been effective for me so far, and also the test at 250mg still, this also is effective for me. So:

Sust250 @ 250mg/week
BOLD200 @ 400mg/week
Deca @ 200mg/week

Gonna hold back on the Tren, dont wanna go overboard!!!

Now who's gonna pipe up and say "your test should be more than the EQ" or something loke that?!

Anyway its been a pleasure, thanks for all the input. I gotta try this one now just to see how well it does work!

Karma to those that deserve!

 

[RADAR]

I ilke a larger mg of test over deca--EQ doesn't matter to me.

RADAR

 

[iamnikvanhelsing]

So I guess i've got it about right then? Test is higher than Deca and the EQ can be anything? Can't wait to get on this one! Already Karma'd you Radar so have to wait for more! Cheers.

 

[bicepts101]

I ilke a larger mg of test over deca--EQ doesn't matter to me.

RADAR

yes i agree completly. my eq dose is always higher than test...sex drive is always raging. ie 800mg eq 600/500 test

 

[needsize]

Well this turned into quite the debate didn't it! So from what I can gather 200mg EQ is basically an ineffective dose right? So I will up this to 400mg (I already ordered some more anyway cos I thought this might be the case). Also am gonna keep the Deca in there at 200mg, this has been effective for me so far, and also the test at 250mg still, this also is effective for me. So:

Sust250 @ 250mg/week
BOLD200 @ 400mg/week
Deca @ 200mg/week

Gonna hold back on the Tren, dont wanna go overboard!!!

Now who's gonna pipe up and say "your test should be more than the EQ" or something loke that?!

Anyway its been a pleasure, thanks for all the input. I gotta try this one now just to see how well it does work!

Karma to those that deserve!

nothing wrong with that cycle, total mg arent that high, and its worth trying. let us know how it works for you

radar, when I switch from the next bulker into my contest diet, I'm leaving my cycle at enth/deca/eq. I may drop the deca a little lower, but I'm sick of joints killing me everytime I diet. I'll change things as I get closer to the show, but I think I'll likely run them right up till at least 4 weeks out

 

[bicepts101]

nothing wrong with that cycle, total mg arent that high, and its worth trying. let us know how it works for you

radar, when I switch from the next bulker into my contest diet, I'm leaving my cycle at enth/deca/eq. I may drop the deca a little lower, but I'm sick of joints killing me everytime I diet. I'll change things as I get closer to the show, but I think I'll likely run them right up till at least 4 weeks out

when the hell is the next show bro

cant wait to see the first dieting pics

 

[needsize]

as it stands, next show is late oct
I'm currently clean right now, and sitting at 253lbs at 5'8", I'll go back on beginning of june, have an all out 8 week assault on mass where I pull out all the stops, then hit the contest diet first week of july