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Does the power elite have a grain of ethics? One grain?

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To overlook the most criminal administration in at least the past 130 years?

This article lays it out pretty clearly:


The Last Days of Constitutional Rule?

The Bush administration's greatest success is its ability to escape accountability for its numerous impeachable offenses.

The administration's offenses against US law, the US Constitution, civil liberties, human rights, and the Geneva Conventions, its lies to Congress and the American people, its vote-rigging scandals, its sweetheart no-bid contracts to favored firms, its political firing of Republican US Attorneys, its practice of kidnapping and torturing people in foreign hellholes, and its persecution of whistle blowers are altogether so vast that it is a major undertaking just to list them all.

Bush admits that he violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and spied on US citizens without warrants, a felony under the Act. Bush has shown total disrespect for civil liberty and the Constitution and has suffered rebukes from the Supreme Count. The evidence is overwhelming that the Bush administration manufactured false "intelligence" to justify military aggression against Iraq. The Halliburton contract scandals are notorious, as is the use of electronic voting machines programmed to miscount the actual vote.

The chief-of-staff to Vice President Cheney has been convicted for obstructing justice in the outing of a covert CIA officer. Proof of torture is overwhelming, and the Bush administration has even had the temerity to have permissive legislation passed after the fact that permits it to continue to torture "detainees." The Sibel Edmonds and other whistle blower cases are well known. The Senate Judiciary Committee has just issued subpoenas to Justice (sic) Dept. officials involved in the scandalous removal of US Attorneys who refused to be politicized.

Yet the Democrats have taken impeachment "off the table." Many Democrats and Republicans and a great many Christians can contemplate illegal military aggression against Iran, but not the impeachment of the greatest criminal administration in US history. Far from being scandalized by what the entire world views as an unjust invasion and occupation of Iraq by the US, leading Democratic and Republican candidates for the 2008 presidential nomination rushed to inform the Israel Lobby, AIPAC, that they, if elected, will keep US troops in Iraq.

The previous occupant of the White House could not escape being impeached by the House of Representatives for lying about a consensual Oval Office sexual affair. President Nixon and his vice president, a saintly pair compared to Bush-Cheney, were both driven from office for offenses that are inconsequential by comparison. Liberals branded Ronald Reagan the "Teflon President," but the neoconservatives' Iran-Contra scandal was a mere dress rehearsal for their machinations in the Bush regime.

What explains Bush-Cheney invulnerability to accountability?

Perhaps the answer is that Bush has desensitized us. Like kids desensitized to violence by violent video games and movies and pornography addicts desensitized to sex, we have become desensitized by the avalanche of Bush-Cheney crimes, lies, and disdain for Congress, courts, and public opinion.

Our elected representatives, if not the American people, now regard as normal such heinous actions as war crimes, the rape of the Constitution, self-serving use of government office, and the constant stream of lies and propaganda from the highest offices of the executive branch.

Perhaps that is what disillusioned foreigners, who once looked with hope to America, mean when they say that America does not exist anymore.

If the notion has departed that the highest political offices in the land are supposed to be occupied by people who are honest and faithful to their oath to the Constitution, then we are far advanced on the road to tyranny.

In future history books, will Bush-Cheney mark the transition of the United States from constitutional rule to the unaccountable rule of the unitary executive who cancels out Congress with signing statements and silences critics with the police state means that are now part of the US legal code?


But they still chant about Willy's blow job.
 
mightymouse69 said:
fucking global warming moonbats, get a fucking job

p.s. not referring to you necessarily

I assume you thought you were on a different thread since this spasm is irrelevant to the thread.
 
I despise this administration. But who is to say that the next is gonna do anything better? The last I heard on our democrats is that they cant even agree on the strategy of leaving Iraq and when to do it.

Whats the newest on that?
 
it really is staggering to get just a "hint" of what's been going on for the last 7 years........but honestly, the republicans were just the "mechanism" for the powerst that be to get done what they wanted. They'll use the democrats to get something else they want......they just ride the "political capital" swing from one party to the other. Unfortunately a good majority of us would have to "die", literally, to get something done to turn this country around. But it ain't gonna happen.....we're to comfortable, and comfortable people are dead people.
 
I thought this was about the powers of Elite. Imagine my disappointment to discover that it was just more provincial American politics.

You can pretty much take it as given that if someone wants to be in power for any reason other than the focused attainment of a well-defined goal then it's unlikely to be in the best interests of those that person will have power over that he or she be granted such power.
 
This is what I cannot get. I'm gonna rant a little, but just bear with me. This is not a Republican or Democratic thing. This is a human nature thing:

How many of us have ever gotten a "favor" from a friend? Maybe it was help getting a job. Maybe it was a discount on something you wanted to buy. Maybe it was an introduction to some guy/girl. Perhaps it was as subtle as a recommendation for school. Or a little free help fixing your car/computer/camera/home.

Anyway... if you have, then you have leveraged a relationship. Guess what? Human beings are social animals and social animals form networks. Within these networks, it isn't a level playing field because the more "connected" members will leverage relationships among other "connected" members to get extraordinary things done.

Now let's throw-in another factor: human nature. People will look-out for their own self interests. I'm not saying every single person will insure that every single decision always goes their way, but at the end of the day a person will convince themselves of what they "deserve" and take the appropriate measures to insure they get it. It's really not that complicated.

Now let's look at government. Who runs the government? People. The same people who leverage relationships and look-out for their own self interests. But here's the problem. We're not talking about $100 worth of computer repair favors anymore. We're not talking about getting help upgrading your job from working at Aeropostle to Wet Seal at the mall for the summer. Now we're talking about well over a TRILLION dollars. The government is working exactly as you'd expect it to -- with corruption, graft, misappropriation of funds and flat-out favoritism.

So how do you minimize the corruption? Its easy -- you minimize the government. Anytime someone proposes yet another big-government program in the name of "helping people", they are simply feeding the corruption and graft machine.

Anyway... /rant off.

Peace Out!
 
mrplunkey said:
This is what I cannot get. I'm gonna rant a little, but just bear with me. This is not a Republican or Democratic thing. This is a human nature thing:

How many of us have ever gotten a "favor" from a friend? Maybe it was help getting a job. Maybe it was a discount on something you wanted to buy. Maybe it was an introduction to some guy/girl. Perhaps it was as subtle as a recommendation for school. Or a little free help fixing your car/computer/camera/home.

Anyway... if you have, then you have leveraged a relationship. Guess what? Human beings are social animals and social animals form networks. Within these networks, it isn't a level playing field because the more "connected" members will leverage relationships among other "connected" members to get extraordinary things done.

Now let's throw-in another factor: human nature. People will look-out for their own self interests. I'm not saying every single person will insure that every single decision always goes their way, but at the end of the day a person will convince themselves of what they "deserve" and take the appropriate measures to insure they get it. It's really not that complicated.

Now let's look at government. Who runs the government? People. The same people who leverage relationships and look-out for their own self interests. But here's the problem. We're not talking about $100 worth of computer repair favors anymore. We're not talking about getting help upgrading your job from working at Aeropostle to Wet Seal at the mall for the summer. Now we're talking about well over a TRILLION dollars. The government is working exactly as you'd expect it to -- with corruption, graft, misappropriation of funds and flat-out favoritism.

So how do you minimize the corruption? Its easy -- you minimize the government. Anytime someone proposes yet another big-government program in the name of "helping people", they are simply feeding the corruption and graft machine.

Anyway... /rant off.

Peace Out!


agreed!
 
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what....is the free market run by automatons that are programmed to be ethical? No.......the free market runs exactly the same as a government. In the end, it's just another shade of shit. The free market can just as easily be subverted as a government can.......I really could care less anymore, humans are just corrupt beings at their very core......no way around it, simply no way....



mrplunkey said:
This is what I cannot get. I'm gonna rant a little, but just bear with me. This is not a Republican or Democratic thing. This is a human nature thing:

How many of us have ever gotten a "favor" from a friend? Maybe it was help getting a job. Maybe it was a discount on something you wanted to buy. Maybe it was an introduction to some guy/girl. Perhaps it was as subtle as a recommendation for school. Or a little free help fixing your car/computer/camera/home.

Anyway... if you have, then you have leveraged a relationship. Guess what? Human beings are social animals and social animals form networks. Within these networks, it isn't a level playing field because the more "connected" members will leverage relationships among other "connected" members to get extraordinary things done.

Now let's throw-in another factor: human nature. People will look-out for their own self interests. I'm not saying every single person will insure that every single decision always goes their way, but at the end of the day a person will convince themselves of what they "deserve" and take the appropriate measures to insure they get it. It's really not that complicated.

Now let's look at government. Who runs the government? People. The same people who leverage relationships and look-out for their own self interests. But here's the problem. We're not talking about $100 worth of computer repair favors anymore. We're not talking about getting help upgrading your job from working at Aeropostle to Wet Seal at the mall for the summer. Now we're talking about well over a TRILLION dollars. The government is working exactly as you'd expect it to -- with corruption, graft, misappropriation of funds and flat-out favoritism.

So how do you minimize the corruption? Its easy -- you minimize the government. Anytime someone proposes yet another big-government program in the name of "helping people", they are simply feeding the corruption and graft machine.

Anyway... /rant off.

Peace Out!
 
redsamurai said:
what....is the free market run by automatons that are programmed to be ethical? No.......the free market runs exactly the same as a government. In the end, it's just another shade of shit. The free market can just as easily be subverted as a government can.......I really could care less anymore, humans are just corrupt beings at their very core......no way around it, simply no way....
I'm not willing to explain all this to you, but here's a good start:

Do some research on "The Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith. Here is a key concept to focus on:

The concept of The Invisible Hand

As every individual, therefore, endeavours as much as he can both to employ his capital in the support of domestic industry, and so to direct that industry that its produce may be of the greatest value; every individual necessarily labours to render the annual revenue of the society as great as he can. He generally, indeed, neither intends to promote the public interest, nor knows how much he is promoting it. By preferring the support of domestic to that of foreign industry, he intends only his own security; and by directing that industry in such a manner as its produce may be of the greatest value, he intends only his own gain, and he is in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention. Nor is it always the worse for the society that it was no part of it. By pursuing his own interest he frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it. (Book 4, Chapter 2)


There are some big ideas there that will help you differentiate between government and the private sector.
 
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