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Does Muscle mass = Strength.
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cinnabar8521
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no not always, I work with this little dude thats strong and fast as hell, I've seen alotta dudes get their ass kicked by him cause he looks easy, sure opened my eyes up as far as sizing guys up and thinking I could take em.
Baby Gorilla
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Nope....
If all muscle was created equal, that position would be correct.
However, you hear of fast-twitch and slow-twitch muscle fibers. Guys who get huge have more slow-twitch. Guys who get ripped easy often have more fast-twitch. Your DNA and upbringing (lifestyle habits) determines which way you go. A guy with more slow-twitch will get bigger and likely heavier, but still be no stronger than a guy smaller in mass who has fast-twitch.
I'm sure there are even more factors than that, but it's a big part of it.
If all muscle was created equal, that position would be correct.
However, you hear of fast-twitch and slow-twitch muscle fibers. Guys who get huge have more slow-twitch. Guys who get ripped easy often have more fast-twitch. Your DNA and upbringing (lifestyle habits) determines which way you go. A guy with more slow-twitch will get bigger and likely heavier, but still be no stronger than a guy smaller in mass who has fast-twitch.
I'm sure there are even more factors than that, but it's a big part of it.
Japanese machine
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Re: Nope....
you have it backwards bro.
Baby Gorilla said:
you have it backwards bro.
Japanese machine
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Strength primarily comes from tendent length. yes muscle mass does help a great deal. Picture a torque wrench; the longer it is the more power you will get. Some individuals are lucky and have really long insertion points. therefore better mechanical leverage. Other factor do come into play as well, ie. joint strength, body fat%, higher natty test...etc.....
btw type 2a, 2b, muscle fibres have the best potential for growth, especially 2b. those being fast twich. type 1a muscle fibres (slow twich) do not have a very good potential for growth, its primary function is endurance, longer and sustainable excercise.
btw type 2a, 2b, muscle fibres have the best potential for growth, especially 2b. those being fast twich. type 1a muscle fibres (slow twich) do not have a very good potential for growth, its primary function is endurance, longer and sustainable excercise.
Japanese machine
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gsxr600 said:alright i think i understand, so are you saying that strength is not determined by muscle mass then?
damn i wonder what type of supps i can buy to get some better leverage, muscle tech make anything for that yet?
Its called tendotestin, and it works
Well, the question was "does muscle mass = strength" correct? With that in mind you can take any individual as 20% more mass and that person WILL be stronger given the same amount of muscle recruitement percentage.gsxr600 said:
Now, im not talking comparing one guy to another what I am talking about is that at any given level of training the same individual will often be stronger with more mass.
It is beleived by many that the average non trained person is capable of recruiting 10% muscle fiber while an elite power lifter is capable of 50%. With that in mind if you take any of these indiviuals in their current state and simply add more muscle mass then theporetically you will also add strength.
Your comparing 2 different people, im speaking strictly the one individual. Power lifters train more for CNS stimulation and hence are capable of recruiting more fibers than a BBer. That comparison isnt really fair nor accurate since they both train different ways. When I said mass=strength I am referring to any give individual at their current level of training and acquired muscle recruitment abilities. Lets say the average couch potatoe has 100lbs of muscle and can recruite 10%, if you add another 10lbs of muscle mass and their untrained body can still recruite 10% they they will be stronger. The same applies to an elite power lifter who lets say has 200lbs of muscle but can recruite 50% of it, if they could magically add 20 lbs, thats 20lbs more muscle fiber they can recruite 50% of so in turn, they will be, at their given level of training, stronger.gsxr600 said:
You cant compare two different people or types of lifters, far too many variable. However, I cant think of anyone I know of who has added 20lbs lean mass to their frame and has not gotten stronger.
I second that!
At one time I trained with this guy who was about 5' 2" 125lbs tops. And he had phenominal strength. I mean this guy could bench 325 for 10 reps in perfect form, and better still, he made it look easy.
Bottom line- I take nothing fro granted. I'm real carefull who I get cocky with these days.
Always true,
Mort
At one time I trained with this guy who was about 5' 2" 125lbs tops. And he had phenominal strength. I mean this guy could bench 325 for 10 reps in perfect form, and better still, he made it look easy.
Bottom line- I take nothing fro granted. I'm real carefull who I get cocky with these days.
Always true,
Mort
Do you know where i can obtain information regarding this issue.
I see what your saying that the heavier person does have more potential for muscle strength, but does this determine actual strength. Dont ligaments and tendons and what not play a very large role in determining strength.
I see what your saying that the heavier person does have more potential for muscle strength, but does this determine actual strength. Dont ligaments and tendons and what not play a very large role in determining strength.
Okay, im having some problems trying to get my point across here so let me try another way. This has nothing to do with comparing 2 different people. gsxr600, lets use you as an example. At your current BF and lean muscle mass lets say you can recruite 37% of your current mass. Now lets assume you train the same way for 6 months and add 20lbs however due to your training style your still only capable of recruiting 37% well , now your 20lbs heavier so will have more strength.
When comparing different people, there are far too many things to take into account like muscle insertion points which greatly influence muscle geometry and in turn strength as well as things like muscle density and fiber type.
When comparing different people, there are far too many things to take into account like muscle insertion points which greatly influence muscle geometry and in turn strength as well as things like muscle density and fiber type.
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this is why a combo of power lifting style training mixed with bodybuilding styles of training will produce superior results. If you train for power, you build up your neural capabilities/tendon strength. Then when you do bodybuilding style workouts you can lift more weight for higher reps than you would without having done the PL exercises. So, low rep/heavy weight will increase strength moreso than hypertrophy, then mod weight/mod reps will produce more hypertrophy than strength, but if you've established more strength from the low rep/heavy weights, you hypertrophy training will yield much more growth.
So many variables come in to play with strength... fiber ratios, neural capacity, tendon length/strength, bone density, limb length, muscle insertions, lifting grooves, and the most complicated is the differences in chemical reactions that occur.
this is why a combo of power lifting style training mixed with bodybuilding styles of training will produce superior results. If you train for power, you build up your neural capabilities/tendon strength. Then when you do bodybuilding style workouts you can lift more weight for higher reps than you would without having done the PL exercises. So, low rep/heavy weight will increase strength moreso than hypertrophy, then mod weight/mod reps will produce more hypertrophy than strength, but if you've established more strength from the low rep/heavy weights, you hypertrophy training will yield much more growth.
So many variables come in to play with strength... fiber ratios, neural capacity, tendon length/strength, bone density, limb length, muscle insertions, lifting grooves, and the most complicated is the differences in chemical reactions that occur.
Its very rare for an individual with time training under their belt to add lean mass and NOT strength. There are always training variables of course but assuming the individual trains the same way AND adds mass then they invariable will be stronger. Its a simple concept but can be a bit tricky to expressgsxr600 said:
I agree and one reason I do low volume heavy sets for most of my stuff with long rest periods and after that I drop weight slightly, keep reps low but shorten rest between sets to concentrate on hypertrophy.
