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Does Human Grade Gear Produce Better Gains TheN Vet Gear???????????
- Thread starter thewood
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Are you saying that vet gear approved for sale in the US by the FDA is mfgd in non-sterile, non-pure, sub-standard ways? I said nothing about OS gear other than to warn that it might not be up to the standards of US gear. ANd how exactly do you know what kinds of conditions that US made and approved vet gear are made under? If what you say is true than i am open to changing my mind but your post says nothing that would sway me one way or the other other than being mildly inflammatory. Help me out here......
jb
jb
poantrex said:
Differences:
Vet companies do not follow human standards..and therefore don't...there is a difference between sterile and clean and a solution that is safe for parental injection under USP pharmaceutical and FDA Standards.
Well let's start with a 100 million dollar manufacturing facility for one with WFI-distillers chillers and HEPA units running 24 hours a day.
Add in Class 100 Clean Rooms which product high effeciency clean air at 100 particles per square meter.
Production Technicians at $40-50,000 a year wearing $300 worth of sterile gowns hoods masks and gloves.
High effeciency validated pharmaceutical filling equipment steam sterilized and sterile air dried.
Ingredients in say an injectable antibiotic.....
Pharm grade glass vial meaning the glass has to be within certain specs and measurements to qualify with very little defects.
Vials are cleaned and rinsed with triple distilled water 90 degrees C reverse osmosis filtered and deionized.
Vials are then "baked" in a sterile filtered HEPA oven at 400 degrees for over 5 hours to depyrogenate.
Stoppers are purchased either clean and ready for autoclave sterilzation or prepped as above and autoclaved under 15 lbs of pressure and 125 degrees C.
All tanks and vessels and piping and associated tubing and filling machines are 316 L grade polished stainless steel.
The powder purchased is USP grade and must adhere to United Pharmocopeia Standards for purity and potency.
Mex Vet companies get their raw materials from China and may not be as pure there fore requiring the additional amount of BA to get it into solution. Which is really flawed anyway BA is a good solvent, but has terrible sides in high doses... there are better solvents out there.
How mny different variations of Vials and boxes and labels have you seen with products...100's 1,000's?...there goes the high quality standards.
Vet companies do not follow human standards..and therefore don't...there is a difference between sterile and clean and a solution that is safe for parental injection under USP pharmaceutical and FDA Standards.
Well let's start with a 100 million dollar manufacturing facility for one with WFI-distillers chillers and HEPA units running 24 hours a day.
Add in Class 100 Clean Rooms which product high effeciency clean air at 100 particles per square meter.
Production Technicians at $40-50,000 a year wearing $300 worth of sterile gowns hoods masks and gloves.
High effeciency validated pharmaceutical filling equipment steam sterilized and sterile air dried.
Ingredients in say an injectable antibiotic.....
Pharm grade glass vial meaning the glass has to be within certain specs and measurements to qualify with very little defects.
Vials are cleaned and rinsed with triple distilled water 90 degrees C reverse osmosis filtered and deionized.
Vials are then "baked" in a sterile filtered HEPA oven at 400 degrees for over 5 hours to depyrogenate.
Stoppers are purchased either clean and ready for autoclave sterilzation or prepped as above and autoclaved under 15 lbs of pressure and 125 degrees C.
All tanks and vessels and piping and associated tubing and filling machines are 316 L grade polished stainless steel.
The powder purchased is USP grade and must adhere to United Pharmocopeia Standards for purity and potency.
Mex Vet companies get their raw materials from China and may not be as pure there fore requiring the additional amount of BA to get it into solution. Which is really flawed anyway BA is a good solvent, but has terrible sides in high doses... there are better solvents out there.
How mny different variations of Vials and boxes and labels have you seen with products...100's 1,000's?...there goes the high quality standards.
i'm not sure we are reading the same posts here. I am specifically referring to US APPROVED FDA MONITORED FACILITES for the production of veterinary medicines in the United States! Any comparison to Mex vet drugs would just not wash! I have repeatedly said that mex vet drugs are suspect, did you hear that, MEX DRUGS ARE SUSPECT. Let's constrain ourselves to us fda approved and monitored facilities. Now, back to your assertion that products mfgd in these US FACILITIES are somehow neither sterile or pure????? Million dollar race horses and muli-thousand dollar canines being routinely injected with non sterile and impure drugs right under the noses of the FDA, quite remarkable!
jb
jb
poantrex said:
vet vs human
The basic differences between the vet and human grade
are the following......
1. human grade has higher sanitary regulations then vet
2. Hum.an must meet FDA guidelines , vet do tend to be lower
than the MG indicated on bottle
3. vet or human can have the same reactions as in swelling
or skin breakout.
in the long run find a company you trust and feel good in the gear, there are places that analys and post content results
I have had human gear that my animal reacted to must worse than any Vet
The basic differences between the vet and human grade
are the following......
1. human grade has higher sanitary regulations then vet
2. Hum.an must meet FDA guidelines , vet do tend to be lower
than the MG indicated on bottle
3. vet or human can have the same reactions as in swelling
or skin breakout.
in the long run find a company you trust and feel good in the gear, there are places that analys and post content results
I have had human gear that my animal reacted to must worse than any Vet
pajaro loco
New member
TE SIENTES BIEN GUEY?lartinos said:
PBR said:
Exactly..people act let if an animal is getting the steroid it must be shitty. Vets don't give stray dogs juice because they have some muscle disease...rich pet owners do. Vets are not going to risk the malpractice for using gear that will injure or possibly kill the great dane or greyhound that their rich clients own. And Horses get premium quality gear....if you can get any vet gear that is intended for horses, it is good.
jcp2
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I am going to assume that the upjohn 2mg winstrol pills my britney spaniel was taking were pretty much on the money and made in the same conditions their human grade stuff was. I wouldn't think they had a seperate facility for their vet stuff, i could be wrong though.
Also, this may be why people say such great things about fort dodge eq, this is the brand most people actually shoot into their very expensive horses.
Also, this may be why people say such great things about fort dodge eq, this is the brand most people actually shoot into their very expensive horses.
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