Does anyone follows this PCT protocol?

[enacer420nj]

I know bro the hcg during cycle works, and better along with the PP TRS... downhere in southamerica, we can only get 5000 ui presentation, so it's kind of hard to use it during cycle... Now, what do you think about that protocol? honestly...

By the way, why is clomid killing your libido?

split it with your buddy

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, I have the most respect for you my... but looong time ago, there was a post, where some guy asked you about his low test results,You told him to get some hcg, and I dont wanna lie, but I think some nolva also, and then keep using the unleash....


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I ALWAYS RECOMMEND HCG BUT NEVER NOLVA UNLES THE GUY HAD EXISTING GYNO.


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Now, my personal experience, HCG and nolva worked great for me. Never tried unleash... but sure I'm plannig to do it. In worst case, it wont hurt me.

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MOST EVERYBODY REPORTS POSITIVE RESULTS FROM IT.



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Now, how come you get clomid dick if your LH is so up (wich in theory should means you are producing test as hell)? unless your estrogen is to the roof... wich with 50 mg. of clomid I seen it pretty hard to happen

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YOUR LH GOES UP FROM HCG, NOT CLOMID SO MUCH. RAISING HCG WILL CAUSE AN INCREASE IN ESTRO, BUT CLOMID IS AN ESTROGEN. YOU MAY THINK 50 MGS ISN'T A LOT BUT TO MANY MEN IT'S ENOUGH TO KILL LIBIDO, THAT'S A FACT.


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, really really will like to get a good explanation from you nelson,

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I JUST DID. : )



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as I consider you one of the gurus in this world, but so I consider William... Please explain it better..
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BILL IS A SMART GUY AND BETTER VERSED IN THE CHEMISTRY OF STEROIDS THAN ME BUT I BELIEVE SOME OF HIS IDEAS ARE OUT OF DATE. I PREDICTED 5 YEARS AGO THAT NO ONE WILL BE USING CLOMID IN 10 YEARS. WELL, ITS USE IS DOWN ABOUT HALF SO MAYBE MY PREDICTION WILL COME TRUE. THE EVIDENCE SEEMS TO SUGGEST IT. ANYONE WHO STILL RECOMMENDS NOLVA IS THINKING IN 1990 TERMS. IT'S A TERRIBLE DRUG AND THER HAVE BEEN ADVANCEMENTS, BOTH PHARMACEUTICAL AND NATURAL WHICH ARE FAR SUPERIOR AND SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED AND ADVOCATED.

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[rage_roid]

Still dont get it bro, yes clomid and Nolva are basicallly estrogens, their use is as a antiestrogen, that's what they are there for, by saying that hcg will rise your estrogen, and clomid and nolva are estrogens, basically you are saying that they both do not work as antistrogens in PCT.

By the way, thhe rise in the LH and test results from the study were taken after the pct was over. the increse on the LH produce from the HCG should drop pretty quickly, the second shot of 2500 ui was in the day 16. So 6.2 could not only be achived only by hcg, no doubt it helped but also, the serms played their roled to keep the body producing it.

Please correct me if i'm wrong.

Thanks again.

 

[rage_roid]

well, may be the clomid dick will come from other way, may be some reaction of the brain to the exogenous estrogen?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Still dont get it bro, yes clomid and Nolva are basicallly estrogens, their use is as a antiestrogen, that's what they are there for,


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Because they're estrogens they compete for site preventing other estros to "dock." Maybe. Sometimes it just adds more estro. This is why Clomid is a crapshoot. Works for some, not for others. It depends on the estro level and your ability to process it .


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by saying that hcg will rise your estrogen, and clomid and nolva are estrogens, basically you are saying that they both do not work as antistrogens in PCT.

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As explained, they may or may not. Not that there are anti aromatases, why fuck with this shit?



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By the way, thhe rise in the LH and test results from the study were taken after the pct was over. the increse on the LH produce from the HCG should drop pretty quickly, the second shot of 2500 ui was in the day 16. So 6.2 could not only be achived only by hcg, no doubt it helped but also, the serms played their roled to keep the body producing it.

Please correct me if i'm wrong.


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Too many factors to say. The body bounces back. The HCG kept it up. The subjects age. If serms work so well, they'd be used as HRT instead of T. they dont.

Thanks again.

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[rage_roid]

well, I think they are not in use for HRT for one simple reason, HRT is for ppl with lack of endogenous test production, that doenst mean they all have estrogen issues, eventhough some do... and if they dont, serms have nothing to do with the problem that's is being attack...

 

[Bruce]

Sorry Nelson but you have always changed your points of view on this. Doctors do understand it greatly, not so much in the U.S as other countries. I have never agreed with anything you post though.

 

[Bruce]

I am not going to get into a pissing argument with you because all you do is spew stuff you copy and paste. I will tell you this I know over 20 people who have listened to me and everyone of them gets a bit crabby on clomid but still gets their libido back and everyone i know that takes it blows huge loads on it. thats weird if its not making test. Every bber that I know uses clomid or nolva for pct. Clomid hcg and nolva have been tried and true for a long time and they reigned supreme here for a while. just because all the vets are gone from here that knew proper pct does not mean you should spew your thoughts that no one has backed with experience unlike my methods .