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Do you think that Juice is overrated?

pintoca

pintoca

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Lately, I'm seeing the most disturbing posts, things like:

"Hi, I'm a newbie, been juicing for 2 months, haven't really gained/lost that much" I need help."

I'm under the impression that people come here, see the pics and avatar and think "wow, all I need is a couple of grands worth of this juice thing and I will be ripped", completely disregarding their diets and health in the process.

How people resort to juicing BEFORE even understanding their own bodies is really beyond me.

As an steroids board, do you think there should be some sort of Social resposibility (even though each is responsible for its actions) in the form of at least a sticky with some recomendations/FAQs, etc? (If there's is one, it should be plastered all over the home page)

At this rate, bitch tits will be en vogue, get yours while they are hot

Imagine if juice was legal
 
no.. knowledge is power evne without the boards.. ppl would do it anyway..

i dunno there are going to be ppl that abuse any type of substance..

think about it this way..

there r ppl who don't have diabetes that take insulin to help with there cycles..

there r ppl with out ADHD/ ADD that take ridalin to help them stay lean...

Some ppl take things responsibly.. others don't.. it is a fact of life.. and even though it burns my ass.. and yes it does.. all you can do is try your best to help out and try to make ppl understand and share your experiences..

Can't spoon feed people.. you can only show them what is on menu
 
Sounds like Pinto is thinking about crossing to the dark side. Just be true to you, steroids aren't magic, only a piece of the puzzle.
 
is it overrated...hmmm...something you can shoot 1x per week in and 8 weeks put on a solid 15-20lbs...not overrated if you ask me...oh and btw..not everyone gets bitch tits...when i messed with that nonsense back in the day i never had that problem.
 
Over-rated, people become different when they can`t stop and if abused it will have an ill-effect on the body....There is a science to the sport and everyone can`t be a scientist.
 
stfuhr said:
Sounds like Pinto is thinking about crossing to the dark side. Just be true to you, steroids aren't magic, only a piece of the puzzle.
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not at all.

Probably I should have used a different wording for the title. The idea is explained in my post.

I mean, Juice works, that is a proven fact. What gets me is people thinking that is all there is to it.
 
Yes.. people think its "magic" or a shortcut.. and think its fakle when they dont get results.

Most dont realzie you have to train twice as hard and eat twice as good to get any real advantage out of them.

And unfotunately those are things you just acnt "tell" someone on a message board.. they usually havwe to find out for themselevs or from expereinced friends
 
not overrated, but a crutch for sure.

MAny people want to juice to get that instant gratification of getting big etc. It takes a long time to get big - natty training before the dark side is key too.

And yet they neglect the important things like diet and sleeping... makes you want to smack people.
 
I have no issue with people opting to use anything like that as long as they've hit some kind of plateau on their own, have their diet/training nailed down, and are very very educated about what they're taking and how it works.
 
pintoca said:
not at all.

What gets me is people thinking that is all there is to it.
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It's because of the news. People see it in the news that players are using, but they don't talk about all the gym itme the players endure.

If they showed players busting ass in the gym I bet more and more people would go to gyms to be like them.

It's one thing to hear that organized sports players work out, it's another to see them doing it. If joe blow saw his favorite football player on tv squating, I bet in a week or two he'd try it as well.

Bet then hears he was on the forbidden medicine and tries it as well since squating big numbers doesn't come over night.

Whiskey
 
Raina said:
I have no issue with people opting to use anything like that as long as they've hit some kind of plateau on their own, have their diet/training nailed down, and are very very educated about what they're taking and how it works.
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that is the problem, I see more and more newbies with no knowledge (on gear, diet or training) jumping into it heads on...

A seasoned vet? let him/her have it his/her way. A newbie? sources that sell to newbies should be hanged (GoldenDelicious would love this, lol)
 
I myself have never used, but I dont think its overrated. Rather overrused.
 
There's no way I could be 5'7 127 pounds with my super swole build without all the gear I've been on for years.
 
I had my juice phase, now it's over. I'm happy with my current weigth (6'1, 220lbs), my health is back to normal, I can dress at most stores and I dont have to worry about this or that.

The reason why we think juice is overrated is because some dumbass are not ready or just use the wrong type/crap. If you take primo and expect to grow a 6 pack tomorrow morning, you're wrong...
 
Its not overrated, it works.

People can use it early if they want, no big deal realy, won't get as much out of it, but that is your choice.
 
pintoca said:
that is the problem, I see more and more newbies with no knowledge (on gear, diet or training) jumping into it heads on...

A seasoned vet? let him/her have it his/her way. A newbie? sources that sell to newbies should be hanged (GoldenDelicious would love this, lol)
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hanged? no. prosecuted, maybe

at the end of the day, i think people should be able to do whatever they want to do. if people are too damn lazy to train hard and want to go straight for a bottle of roids, then they can all go to hell, and deserve their bitch tits/baldness.

im running out of sympathy, really. most of the decent bodied guys i know are on roids, deny it, ridicule others that are on, and generally do everything that disgusts me about roiders...so they can all go to hell. you reap what you sow. it is fitting that people who play upon ignorance are themselves victims of it
 
GoldenDelicious said:
hanged? no. prosecuted, maybe

at the end of the day, i think people should be able to do whatever they want to do. if people are too damn lazy to train hard and want to go straight for a bottle of roids, then they can all go to hell, and deserve their bitch tits/baldness.

im running out of sympathy, really. most of the decent bodied guys i know are on roids, deny it, ridicule others that are on, and generally do everything that disgusts me about roiders...so they can all go to hell. you reap what you sow. it is fitting that people who play upon ignorance are themselves victims of it
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Shut up, you fucking aussie.
 
Raina said:
I have no issue with people opting to use anything like that as long as they've hit some kind of plateau on their own, have their diet/training nailed down, and are very very educated about what they're taking and how it works.
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Yep, thats when it works its magic, when you're working your ass off and not getting anywhere
 
pintoca said:
not at all.

Probably I should have used a different wording for the title. The idea is explained in my post.

I mean, Juice works, that is a proven fact. What gets me is people thinking that is all there is to it.
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Just giving you a little trouble. It is no secret that steroids work, but they only work when diet is on and you are working your ass off. Some think that they can hit 500mg of test a week and some front end D-Bol and gain 20-30 lbs. (9-13.6kg for the rest of the world).

I think that too many jump in not knowing this and are disappointed. Then they blame genetics or the gear.

Overrated? Yes - to someone who thinks that is all it takes to grow.
 
If I ever do that stuff, it wont be till I'm living on my own, have my diet exactly the way I want it and dont have to worry about anything but me...I figure, this would be the best time to optimize the effects of the drugs.

I will admit though that at 19, it is VERY tempting.
 
I agree, drugs are not the most important thing in a persons quest to get big first is diet then training and finally rest.


I think alot of people do not take PCT as seriously as they should you gain alll you want but if you dont have pct down you will loose ALOT
 
stfuhr said:
Sounds like Pinto is thinking about crossing to the dark side. Just be true to you, steroids aren't magic, only a piece of the puzzle.
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Diet produces results ... fact.

Exercise and recovery produces results ... fact.

AAS with diet and exercise/recovery produces RESULTS ... fact.

What may be overrated are exotic high dosage cycles for the non-genetically gifted.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
hanged? no. prosecuted, maybe

at the end of the day, i think people should be able to do whatever they want to do. if people are too damn lazy to train hard and want to go straight for a bottle of roids, then they can all go to hell, and deserve their bitch tits/baldness.

im running out of sympathy, really. most of the decent bodied guys i know are on roids, deny it, ridicule others that are on, and generally do everything that disgusts me about roiders...so they can all go to hell. you reap what you sow. it is fitting that people who play upon ignorance are themselves victims of it
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Pretty emotional statement their my friend. I like many others on this board turned to roids because of image issues. I had a low self-concept, low self-esteem, etc. The media places high expectations on young males to become muscular and strong. Guess what, I happened to be one of the guys that at age 18 bought a bottle of Deca and EQ because I wanted to go and get huge. I cannot say that I am alone either.

It can happen to anyone. I come from a white, upper-class family, with a strong educational background and am very educated myself. Still I went to drugs despite having strong family values. I felt that I had no other choice, that I had to -- the pressures were extraordinary when I reflect upon them.

Please refrane from throwing all steroid users in the same boat.

Am I ignorant? Absolutely not. Ignorance is not learning from your mistakes.
 
psychedout said:
Pretty emotional statement their my friend. I like many others on this board turned to roids because of image issues. I had a low self-concept, low self-esteem, etc. The media places high expectations on young males to become muscular and strong. Guess what, I happened to be one of the guys that at age 18 bought a bottle of Deca and EQ because I wanted to go and get huge. I cannot say that I am alone either.

It can happen to anyone. I come from a white, upper-class family, with a strong educational background and am very educated myself. Still I went to drugs despite having strong family values. I felt that I had no other choice, that I had to -- the pressures were extraordinary when I reflect upon them.

Please refrane from throwing all steroid users in the same boat.

Am I ignorant? Absolutely not. Ignorance is not learning from your mistakes.
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Do you regret going on at 18 yoa?
 
DieselGunz said:
Do you regret going on at 18 yoa?
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Yes and no. Its is hard to say. I know I wouldn't have gotten to where I am today if I didn't juice, but it probably was not in the best interests of my health. Now I can say I have zero self-esteem/image issue, and the confidence I now possess has allowed me to be successful at many things I never would have thought possible.

Some days I regret it, some days I don't.
 
whats juice?
 
psychedout said:
Yes and no. Its is hard to say. I know I wouldn't have gotten to where I am today if I didn't juice, but it probably was not in the best interests of my health. Now I can say I have zero self-esteem/image issue, and the confidence I now possess has allowed me to be successful at many things I never would have thought possible.

Some days I regret it, some days I don't.
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good point K to you
 
I think the only thing overrated about juice are some of the big ass fancy cycles comprised of twenty drugs. All you need are the basics just like back in Arnold's day. They weren't using a million different compounds back then.
 
psychedout said:
Pretty emotional statement their my friend. I like many others on this board turned to roids because of image issues. I had a low self-concept, low self-esteem, etc. The media places high expectations on young males to become muscular and strong. Guess what, I happened to be one of the guys that at age 18 bought a bottle of Deca and EQ because I wanted to go and get huge. I cannot say that I am alone either.

It can happen to anyone. I come from a white, upper-class family, with a strong educational background and am very educated myself. Still I went to drugs despite having strong family values. I felt that I had no other choice, that I had to -- the pressures were extraordinary when I reflect upon them.

Please refrane from throwing all steroid users in the same boat.

Am I ignorant? Absolutely not. Ignorance is not learning from your mistakes.
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ignorance is not knowing. it has little to do with learning from your mistakes in this context. you were 18, and despite your upbringing, were certainly ignorant of a great many things about life, yourself, drugs etc at the time. no need to be offended, since no one here is exempt.

im not terribly emotional over the issue - im just over it, and the bullshit mindset that goes with it. you want to use? go for it. just be honest about it. i bet if people were more upfront about roids, young men the world over wouldnt have unrealistic expectations about thier body image.

young athletic people, blooming with youth, have great bodies, and have no business being insecure about them because their favorite actor/celebrity/whatever is on juice and is denying it.

anyway i dont lump all users in one boat...its just that the ones around me, at the moment...piss me off
 
if you can get real Steroids its great
the bodybuilding lifestyle is an excellent one as well
and it time proper knowledge of how the endocrine system works if valuable as we age
so getting a head start not only is result bearing , but very educational.

let me give you some tips if your a novice

do TEST only cycles at 500mgs a week, use an Anti E
and have a great PCT regimen including Anti E managment
 
pintoca said:
Lately, I'm seeing the most disturbing posts, things like:

"Hi, I'm a newbie, been juicing for 2 months, haven't really gained/lost that much" I need help."

I'm under the impression that people come here, see the pics and avatar and think "wow, all I need is a couple of grands worth of this juice thing and I will be ripped", completely disregarding their diets and health in the process.

How people resort to juicing BEFORE even understanding their own bodies is really beyond me.

As an steroids board, do you think there should be some sort of Social resposibility (even though each is responsible for its actions) in the form of at least a sticky with some recomendations/FAQs, etc? (If there's is one, it should be plastered all over the home page)

At this rate, bitch tits will be en vogue, get yours while they are hot

Imagine if juice was legal
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juice is only over-rated if you don't see the gains it claims to have.
 
OMEGA said:
if you can get real Steroids its great
the bodybuilding lifestyle is an excellent one as well
and it time proper knowledge of how the endocrine system works if valuable as we age
so getting a head start not only is result bearing , but very educational.

let me give you some tips if your a novice

do TEST only cycles at 500mgs a week, use an Anti E
and have a great PCT regimen including Anti E managment
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Solid
 
OMEGA said:
if you can get real Steroids its great
the bodybuilding lifestyle is an excellent one as well
and it time proper knowledge of how the endocrine system works if valuable as we age
so getting a head start not only is result bearing , but very educational.

let me give you some tips if your a novice

do TEST only cycles at 500mgs a week, use an Anti E
and have a great PCT regimen including Anti E managment
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Fairly good advice. I have never exceeded 960mg per week (and even then I was only at it for 3 weeks).

No need to go nuts with the doses, especially considering most people's goals here are just to look good with their shirts off.

I don't anticipate every hitting more than 800mg per week again, and for now more than 10 weeks on ever.

Cannot go wrong with test only, that is for sure. Only thing for me I have to worry about is my hair.
 
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