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Do you think anyone will ever drop a nuclear BOMB again?
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Lestat said:
That was atomic bombs.
Razorguns
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if we can do it -- why can't others do it to us?
can't believe this country killed men, women and children -- then acted like nothing happened. Iraq is nothing compared to what the US did back then.
I'm surprised there's no japanse suicide bombers on our soil everywhere.
can't believe this country killed men, women and children -- then acted like nothing happened. Iraq is nothing compared to what the US did back then.
I'm surprised there's no japanse suicide bombers on our soil everywhere.
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HumanTarget said:
You beat me too it.
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Lestat said:
If we would have used nuclear weapons insted of atomic, we probably would have doubled those figures. I'm not even sure if we were even using or building nuclear weapond then.
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BrothaBill
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Lestat said:
Atomic is fission, hydrogen is fusion.
I think that its likely that at some point in this century that it will occur given the intelligence age and technological means now available.
A muslim bomb is what is most worriesome where the use of it would not be based on conquest or attack but theological reasons with little fear of death in return, like destroying Israel.
India and Pakistan are both nuclear and have had longrunning battles disputes of Kashmir region. I think thats less likely, but Musharraf of Pakistan might be overthrown, again not as likely, but if that happened the muslim bomb in radical hands would again be a worry.
Iran is a theological state and is the largest state sponsor of terror. They are very well along the lines of having a bomb. And Israel nuclear as well doesnt like that no notion given the funding of anti israeli terror groups.
Bin laden had been eagerly seeking the bomb and had help from high level pakistani nuke scientists. Brazil now wants to develop its own nuclear arsenal.
And lets not even discuss N. Korea.
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BrothaBill
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A memorable episode of The Bionic Woman featured the threat of a cobalt bomb. A main character in Repo Man was a designer of the neutron bomb.
Dont forget those types and today most bombs combine both fission and fusion, setting off a small fission explosion to reach the energy to start the fusion chain reaction.
Dont forget those types and today most bombs combine both fission and fusion, setting off a small fission explosion to reach the energy to start the fusion chain reaction.
I can't believe all these people are taking up for the japs and slamming the U.S. Listen, the japs started it they didn't care who they killed when they were bombing pearl harbour. So what if we bombed them. Have none of ya'll ever heard the ole saying "don't dish it out if you can't take it"
milo hobgoblin
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You all dont know much about WWII.
More people died during the fire storms from carpet bombing... and much more painfully.
But its ok because those were conventional bombs?
We didnt have a CHOICE. It was the bombs or full invasion.. The Japanese would not have surrendered if we invaded.. no more than ANY American would surrender if some country invaded us..
More people died during the fire storms from carpet bombing... and much more painfully.
But its ok because those were conventional bombs?
We didnt have a CHOICE. It was the bombs or full invasion.. The Japanese would not have surrendered if we invaded.. no more than ANY American would surrender if some country invaded us..
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BrothaBill
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People have debated for years about the dropping of the a bombs. The arguments on both sides have solidified and each their own merit and are much more complex to list in this forum, beyond the simplistic it was wrong or it was right and here is my one sentence reason why.
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BrothaBill
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skacorica said:
LOL, wasnt there are a song called the neutron dance as well.
when will EF have the atom bomb?
jestros said:
And your point is what? And we weren't at war the japs when they bombed pearl harbour now were we. And I believe we were at war when we bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima were we not? War is Hell the japs should have thought of that before they woke up a the sleeping giant.
jestros
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Do a little reading. You love this country right? Well, it might be a good idea to learn its history. No offense, aww who am I kiddingcurling said:
Any way we had the "japs" in an embargo. We cut them off from the worlds trade, and they would have run out of oil in six months. And we left them the juicy target of pearl harbor, basicaly unprotected. Do the math.
Razorguns
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The same reasoning can be used by Al Qaeda to nuke bomb us.
"The slaughter of muslims will continue. The influence of western culture on declining islamic values will continue. The US will never stop. We HAVE to do something massive in order to stop this monster".
Just change the country names and it's the same reasoning.
Anyone can _reason_ almost anything these days. Ask any lawyer.
"The slaughter of muslims will continue. The influence of western culture on declining islamic values will continue. The US will never stop. We HAVE to do something massive in order to stop this monster".
Just change the country names and it's the same reasoning.
Anyone can _reason_ almost anything these days. Ask any lawyer.
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BrothaBill
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HumanTarget said:
Ive heard of that the beer buddy bomb! LOL
jestros said:Do a little reading. You love this country right? Well, it might be a good idea to learn its history. No offense, aww who am I kidding
Any way we had the "japs" in an embargo. We cut them off from the worlds trade, and they would have run out of oil in six months. And we left them the juicy target of pearl harbor, basicaly unprotected. Do the math.
Well, according to this post you are giving George Bush the perfect reason to invade Iraq aren't ya?
JustJacked
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IMO, bombing japan was just a test and a way to say "anybody else fucks with us, we got lots more of these"
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Gambino
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Y_Lifter said:
We bombed the fuck out of German cities, yet peeps somehow don't feel bad for the german lives lost. Even after the atomic bombing some in the Japenese gov't didn't want to surrender
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Gambino
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jestros said:
You act like we embargoed the poor japenese for no reason. Maybe you should do a bit of reading that you suggested to curling. Get a book on Nanking, that should explain why we embargoed Japan
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Choderboy
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i think canada will use one someday
NJjuice22
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This song from Team America comes to mind:
I miss you more then Michael Bay missed the mark
When he made Pearl Harbor
I miss you more than that movie missed the point
And that’s an awful lot girl
And now, now you’ve gone away
And all I’m trying to say is
Pearl Harbor sucked, and I miss you
I need u like Ben Affleck needs acting school
He was terrible in that film
I need u like Cuba Gooding needed a bigger part
He’s way better than Ben Affleck
And now all I can think about is your smile
and that shitty movie too
Pearl Harbor sucked and I miss you
Why does Michael Bay get to keep on making movies?
I guess Pearl Harbor sucked
Just a little bit more than I miss you
I miss you more then Michael Bay missed the mark
When he made Pearl Harbor
I miss you more than that movie missed the point
And that’s an awful lot girl
And now, now you’ve gone away
And all I’m trying to say is
Pearl Harbor sucked, and I miss you
I need u like Ben Affleck needs acting school
He was terrible in that film
I need u like Cuba Gooding needed a bigger part
He’s way better than Ben Affleck
And now all I can think about is your smile
and that shitty movie too
Pearl Harbor sucked and I miss you
Why does Michael Bay get to keep on making movies?
I guess Pearl Harbor sucked
Just a little bit more than I miss you
jestros said:
Hey, I didn't say i didn't care about the Japs(and I only call them that in referring to the japaneese we were fighting with in respect to our soldiers that fought them ww2.) I am sure they call us yanks and I don't care even though I am a rebel at heart. I like the Japaneese now they make kick ass motorcycles that wheelie down the freeway and know how to serve up some bad ass raw fish and their women are HOT!!
But war is war and don't think they wouldn't have used the a bomb on us if they had gotten the first chance. I guess you think the first person that used a machine gun against the rifle was a horrible person too huh?
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Gambino
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jestros said:
I don't think the US government at the time cared too much about the Chinese either. They were more concerned with the Japenes Navy and the island conquering (phillipines, somoa, guam, etc)
(god bless those who lost their lives in p.harbor)
To be honest, american losses at events like P.Harbor or D-Day were miniscule compared with what the Russians or Germans lost. In one battele, I think the Kursk salient, the germans lost 120,000 soliders in less than a week. If you polled Americans they proly would estimate the losses at P.harbor and D-day to be tens of thousands, when in reality we lost less than 10,000 peeps at both events. America left WW2 unscathed in a lot of ways.
rsnoble-im-back
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If I were kimjongill, or wtf his name is, and being backed into the corner by Bushco........I would wipe out every motherfuker within reach. Don't be surprised if it happens.
Gambino said:
Pearl Harbor was about our ships. I know you know that maing, but it does an injustice to the attack to measure its effectiveness bu casualties as some have.
The Japanese plan, and it wasnt a bad one, was to knock out our Pacific fleet, threaten the wester US coast (California) and force the US into a quick capitulation in the East (ie agree to give us East, and we wont attack your mainland). If not for the fortunate absence of our Carriers it might have worked.
And all of this by the way is demonstrative of the stupidity of most arms control deals. We signed one on the 1920's after WWII that limited all the major powers to a restricted amount of ships. One problem among many (the least of which not being verification) was that the US had two oceans to defend which left us at a distinct disadvantage.
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jestros said:
I got estimated numerous right here, outt of a college text book. Author says numbers are estimated at best:
(only soliders)
USA 362,561
Brits 264,433
Greece 79,743
Australia 27,073
Finland 27,000
Soviet Union 10,000,000
Germany 3,250,000
Japan 1,000,000
Yuogoslavia and France also lost signficant combatants
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Gambino
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Lestat said:
A further 3,300,000 Soivet troops died in German POW camps. 7,000,000 civilians died, brining the grand total to 20,000,000 Soviets dead. This author claims this number is conservative.
JustJacked
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Gambino said:
It was the Soviets who saved the world from the germans. when the Soviets overran the Nazi concentration camps they found enough Zyklon-B crystals to kill 20,000,000 people. but their were only 3,000,000 Jews left in Europe.
Nazi plans called for the murder of 10,000,000 non-germainic people each year. the Nazis murdered 7,000,000 Christians before they murdered any Jews.
in 6 years of war 17,000,000 able-bodied men of war were killed in battle. 18,000,000 civilians were killed as a direct result of war. and an additional 12,000,000 people were murdered by the Nazis. 5,000,000 Jews, and 7,000,000 Christians.
german cassualties: 3,250,000 battle deaths, 3,350,000 civilian deaths, and around 5,000,000 wounded. out of 20,000,000 buildings, 7,000,000 were destroyed. the war cost the Germans 272,000,000,000$
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BrothaBill
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Total loss of life in WW2 is estimated at 50-55million lives, mostly Russian.
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Ulcasterdropout
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God, I hope so...
Testosterone boy
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It seems that at least half of WWII was the battle between Germany and Russia.
Never occured to our historians to thank Russia for saving the world from whatever the Germans had in mind.
My high school history teacher told me that Hitler would have liked me for the blonde hair etc. Interesting.
As for Japan and the A bomb.....it is clear, to me, that we could have waited more than 3 days to drop the second of the two.
Never occured to our historians to thank Russia for saving the world from whatever the Germans had in mind.
My high school history teacher told me that Hitler would have liked me for the blonde hair etc. Interesting.
As for Japan and the A bomb.....it is clear, to me, that we could have waited more than 3 days to drop the second of the two.
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Razorguns said:
Read up on the atrocities committed by the Japanese during the war. Better yet talk to a veteran about how they behaved.
You won't believe what THEY did and now act as if nothing happened.
Why is it so popular these days to hate and be disgusted with everything the U.S.A. has ever done?
Glad I missed that boat.
patsfan1379
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sup guys! WTF is goin on in here??!!
Even if Musharraf is overthrown, it would be by another general.BrothaBill said:
There may be a very small minority of junior officers shympathetic to fundamentalists, but all the generals are nationalist and none of them is sympathetic to fundamentalists. One or two generals who had ties with the Taliban since the Afghan war against Soviet Union had been forced to retire.
Chain of command is always very strictly followed in Pakistan army.
If India attacks Pakistan, a short war (upto 3 months) would be stalemate.
If there is prolonged war, India would have upper hand because it is much larger countries.
If Pakistan is in danger of being overun by India, then their would be a nuclear war.
This is how small countries survive: North Korea provided Pakistan with missile technology that is superior to India's. Pakistan provided nuclear technology to North Korea.
You scratch my back, I scratch yours.
CrazyRussian
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jestros said:
2) Yeah, we let those Americans die because we WANTED to get involved in a War where we'd lose hundreds of thousands of more lives. Good logic
Anyways, the bombings were a good thing (as good as killing tens of thousands of people can be). There's no way Japan would've surrendered to the US, even AFTER we invaded the country. The bombings saved millions of allied lives. Yes, millions. If the Japanese were given the option to drop atomic bombs in the US, they would have done it in less than a hummingbird's heart-beat. War is war, and casualties are to be expected.
EDIT: I hate it when people criticize American action when we're at war or another military conflict. It happened in WWII, many times since then, and now in Iraq. Oh no, we killed 2 civilians in a raid. "That makes us worse than they are." I love that fucking line...they're cutting off livling peoples heads and killing women for wearing dresses, not to mention killing tens of thousands of our citizens, but we're "WORSE THAN THEM" because we blew up a mosque that they were hiding in and two citizens were killed as a result of the flying debris.
liquidmuscle
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Razorguns
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CrazyRussian said:
So using that same logic. If Japan had done the same thing -- you would've supported them? Or it all depends on which side you're on?
I guess nuke's are only necessary if you're losing.
too many people are prejudiced when they discuss war. Opinions are always slanted depending on who you ask and what country you live in. I'm sure the japanese have a completely different view of it.
Testosterone boy
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Razorguns said:
No way....I'm sure their history books say that they attacked freedom on Dec 7th, 1941.
CrazyRussian
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Ya know, being an American citizen and all, I consider it a good thing. Had I been a Japanese citizen at the time, I would have considered it a bad thing. There's this thing called nationalism...you guys shoud look it up one day.
BTW, to Bin Laden, us killing al Qaeda members is a tragedy. That means we shouldn't be doing it, right? I'm sure your liberal newspapers say that an attack on al Qaeda is an attack on freedom of speech and human rights.
EDIT: Razorguns, by your definition, all war and killing is bad. If you look at it with a completely unbiased point of view, all it is is a bunch of people killing a bunch of other people over a piece of land, or for oil
, etc . One side can't be right, because, of course, we're completely unbiased. That's a great way to look at things
BTW, to Bin Laden, us killing al Qaeda members is a tragedy. That means we shouldn't be doing it, right? I'm sure your liberal newspapers say that an attack on al Qaeda is an attack on freedom of speech and human rights.
EDIT: Razorguns, by your definition, all war and killing is bad. If you look at it with a completely unbiased point of view, all it is is a bunch of people killing a bunch of other people over a piece of land, or for oil
, etc . One side can't be right, because, of course, we're completely unbiased. That's a great way to look at things
liquidmuscle
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i hope no one does us like we did the japs
mountain muscle
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Razor. horse shit about losing. It was making a statement.
If we were in a war as huge as WW2 now I wouldn't think twice about tactical nuke use.
Bin Laden, I believe is dead. It does not amtter Allawi is there to take his place. I value American, Canadien and Mexican lives more so than muslim extremists. Screw them. Kick their asses. Protect ours.
If we were in a war as huge as WW2 now I wouldn't think twice about tactical nuke use.
Bin Laden, I believe is dead. It does not amtter Allawi is there to take his place. I value American, Canadien and Mexican lives more so than muslim extremists. Screw them. Kick their asses. Protect ours.
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I have here a very old letter, written to a Mrs. Bixby in Boston. "Dear Madam: I have been shown in the files of the War Department a statement of the Adjutant-General of Massachusetts that you are the mother of......five......sons.... who have died gloriously on the field of battle. I feel how weak and fruitless must be any words of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering to you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save. I pray that our heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved..... and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of freedom.
Yours very sincerely and respectfully, Abraham Lincoln."
Yours very sincerely and respectfully, Abraham Lincoln."
It will 1 of 3.
A china internal conflict.
A North Korea v South Korea conflict
A India v pakistan conflict
In 1994 Pakistan was going to launch nukes into India and vice-a-versa when the Kashmere fighting was peaking. WE and other nuclear powers went to each country and did informational presentations telling each country what would happen and that no one in the world would be there to help. Because it would be impossible to help anyone in the region for over 100 years.
They both backed down.
A china internal conflict.
A North Korea v South Korea conflict
A India v pakistan conflict
In 1994 Pakistan was going to launch nukes into India and vice-a-versa when the Kashmere fighting was peaking. WE and other nuclear powers went to each country and did informational presentations telling each country what would happen and that no one in the world would be there to help. Because it would be impossible to help anyone in the region for over 100 years.
They both backed down.
patsfan1379
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survival of the fittest.
patsfan1379
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Hengst said:
Humpty Dance?
jestros
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Ok. So, you believe we had no idea Japan would attack us. As I said before the situation was this.CrazyRussian said:
Japan was aggresively attacking all over. We set up an embargo. They would have run out of oil in six months, grinding their offensive to a halt.
We have people in the government who go over all the decisions we make. So you are saying that the people in the know had a descusion like this.
"Look, these crazy bastards are causing alot of trouble. Why dont we cut them off and back them in a corner. Because that will surely make them behave, they will probably thank us. Ok boys, works done lets go to the bar."
I'm not saying it was wrong to sanction them, I'm saying if no-one was expecting an attack, they were idiots. And therefore, that makes you an idiot as well.
gjohnson5
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War is the ends to solidify political means. If it means dropping nuclear payload onto the "enemy" to get them to agree to political terms , then that's what will be done. This is true for any side of a war.
There is no use in rationalizing the use of force to gian control of an "enemy" It's like being in a fist fight and asking the other guy "why'd u punch me" after he did it.
I don't believe all this talk about disarmament. I know the USAF still has more nukes then any group in the world and they can drop them at a push of a button.
There is no use in rationalizing the use of force to gian control of an "enemy" It's like being in a fist fight and asking the other guy "why'd u punch me" after he did it.
I don't believe all this talk about disarmament. I know the USAF still has more nukes then any group in the world and they can drop them at a push of a button.
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