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Do you believe?

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Let's break it down...

- Do you believe in a supreme being? be it christian concept God, Alah, buddah, or whatever you want, just a supreme being

- If you do, does this supreme being watch you, listen to you, maybe help you?

- Do you believe they will judge you upon death and there is an afterlife with heaven and hell?

I wanna know how you feel, those of you who dont believe dont get all douchey and make fun of those who do, tolerance bishes.
 
I was raised and went to Catholic schools my whole life.My Dad is a strong Catholic and raised my bro"s and sis this way but now that I am older I dont believe in anything.I dont think anything negative of those that believe in a higher being.Its all personal I guess.
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nangiggles said:
Let's break it down...

- Do you believe in a supreme being? be it christian concept God, Alah, buddah, or whatever you want, just a supreme being

- If you do, does this supreme being watch you, listen to you, maybe help you?

- Do you believe they will judge you upon death and there is an afterlife with heaven and hell?

I wanna know how you feel, those of you who dont believe dont get all douchey and make fun of those who do, tolerance bishes.
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I think its a great question.

I struggle with it all the time.

I do believe in an afterlife but not how its preceived. One of my favorite books is the holographic universe.
It shares alot of my beliefs.

I dont believe in heaven or hell. I dont believe in being judged after your death.

I attend mass weekly and do feel that bible in all forms is meant to promote a good life and is not to be taken in the literal sense because it was written by men who meant it to be how to lead a good life and be a good person.
The ten commandments are written to create a structure of a way of life that does promote goodness
Goodness does have it's rewards and all things good are rewarded by the universe for doing good many times over.

I do believe that we are like they say mostly energy and that when we pass energy doesn't just die it becomes a part of the bigger picture.

I'm not nuts or anything just we all have our mortality which comes into question as we get older and we do look for something more I think.
 
i believe in god when i need someone to blame for shit, although when things are great i take all the credit.. its like the opposite of winning the superbowl.

when i die i want to come back as the grim reaper... im getting a reaper tattoo on friday!! :)
 
i also have enough faith in myself i dont believe i need a higher power.. there's a good spaghetti monster in the sky episode of south park about this.

i also have a hard time believing in god when you see shit about kids being tortured and killed. surely he would protect a defenseless 3 year old from having his dick burnt off
 
captainahole said:
I think its a great question.

I struggle with it all the time.

I do believe in an afterlife but not how its preceived. One of my favorite books is the holographic universe.
It shares alot of my beliefs.

I dont believe in heaven or hell. I dont believe in being judged after your death.

I attend mass weekly and do feel that bible in all forms is meant to promote a good life and is not to be taken in the literal sense because it was written by men who meant it to be how to lead a good life and be a good person.The ten commandments are written to create a structure of a way of life that does promote goodness
Goodness does have it's rewards and all things good are rewarded by the universe for doing good many times over.

I do believe that we are like they say mostly energy and that when we pass energy doesn't just die it becomes a part of the bigger picture.

I'm not nuts or anything just we all have our mortality which comes into question as we get older and we do look for something more I think.
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^^^^^

and i believe in something...not sure what...and i like going to church with my wife and kids...it makes them happy that i am there and, even if there isn't anything else?? well, that one thing is a good enough reason for me.

“Belief is a wise wager. Granted that faith cannot be proved, what harm will come to you if you gamble on its truth and it proves false? If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing. Wager, then, without hesitation, that He exists.”
― Blaise Pascal

ok...so he's french...i am not above hypocrisy.
 
CoBra666 said:
i also have enough faith in myself i dont believe i need a higher power.. there's a good spaghetti monster in the sky episode of south park about this.

i also have a hard time believing in god when you see shit about kids being tortured and killed. surely he would protect a defenseless 3 year old from having his dick burnt off
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ours is not to reason why,
ours is but to do and die...
 
CoBra666 said:
i also have enough faith in myself i dont believe i need a higher power.. there's a good spaghetti monster in the sky episode of south park about this.

i also have a hard time believing in god when you see shit about kids being tortured and killed. surely he would protect a defenseless 3 year old from having his dick burnt off
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The spaghetti monster parody has nothing to do with the real question of if what exists has a creator. All it does is really show how out of touch people are on this stuff.
 
i am most out of touch with reality in general. really tho, i find it hard to believe, but also hard not to believe. despite my retardity i display on here, which unfortunately does reflect myself in real life, i try to do good and help everyone not so i go to heaven. but just to be a good person. im content with that, plus i gotta lotta bad to make up for
 
spaghetti monster was funny tho, cept im not a big fan of mr/mrs garrison, i just like cartmen, randy, butters, and tweak
 
I do believe in God. Look at all of the wonders of this world..and the entire universe. All of this did not happen by some freak accident...no way. The older I get the more I believe this world is our hell. The horrible acts that we commit on each other, the struggle with questions such as this thread, all contribute to this "hell". I dont believe God, that has a greater love for me than I have for my own daughter, would be willing to create a "hell" to punish me in forever. His "Agape" (purest, strongest form of love) would not allow him to know that his creation is suffering for an eternity. So that is why i feel this is our hell.
 
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known
 
lander2312 said:
I do believe in God. Look at all of the wonders of this world..and the entire universe. All of this did not happen by some freak accident...no way. The older I get the more I believe this world is our hell. The horrible acts that we commit on each other, the struggle with questions such as this thread, all contribute to this "hell". I dont believe God, that has a greater love for me than I have for my own daughter, would be willing to create a "hell" to punish me in forever. His "Agape" (purest, strongest form of love) would not allow him to know that his creation is suffering for an eternity. So that is why i feel this is our hell.
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Let's call you "the glass is half empty" type of person.
 
cindylou said:
Don't post an essay about your beliefs, Cindy. No one cares.

Yes
Yes
No/Yes
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go ahead and essay silly, that's the point :) I like listening to and understanding other people's point of view, specially when they differ from mine, I lern from it :)

captainahole said:
I think its a great question.

I struggle with it all the time.

I do believe in an afterlife but not how its preceived. One of my favorite books is the holographic universe.
It shares alot of my beliefs.

I dont believe in heaven or hell. I dont believe in being judged after your death.

I attend mass weekly and do feel that bible in all forms is meant to promote a good life and is not to be taken in the literal sense because it was written by men who meant it to be how to lead a good life and be a good person.
The ten commandments are written to create a structure of a way of life that does promote goodness
Goodness does have it's rewards and all things good are rewarded by the universe for doing good many times over.

I do believe that we are like they say mostly energy and that when we pass energy doesn't just die it becomes a part of the bigger picture.

I'm not nuts or anything just we all have our mortality which comes into question as we get older and we do look for something more I think.
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I can completely understand this way of thinking, I like it
 
cindylou said:
The spaghetti monster parody has nothing to do with the real question of if what exists has a creator. All it does is really show how out of touch people are on this stuff.
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I don't understand. So people who don't believe are "out of touch"? But what gives you the authority to say that? You say that based on what you believe, criticizing what they believe or don't believe, right?
 
i believe in God

I believe in heaven and hell

I believe CEO and Lart will be in hell but the rest of us in heaven
 
ceo said:
I don't understand. So people who don't believe are "out of touch"? But what gives you the authority to say that? You say that based on what you believe, criticizing what they believe or don't believe, right?
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How the hell did you read my post like that? :lmao:
 
what do you know, you're in a fog of love right now and cant think straight
 
nangiggles said:
- Do you believe in a supreme being? be it christian concept God, Alah, buddah, or whatever you want, just a supreme being
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Yes, but not in an anthropomorphized fashion. I don't believe there is some old grey haired dude/chick in the sky. Think more a unifying element, universal glue/consciousness. We, as finite, 3 dimensional beings can no more imagine it than a single bacterium can understand us.

nangiggles said:
- If you do, does this supreme being watch you, listen to you, maybe help you?
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I do not believe that which was the causative factor in creating the universe is any more capable of caring about me than I can care about the aforementioned bacterium.

nangiggles said:
- Do you believe they will judge you upon death and there is an afterlife with heaven and hell?
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Good grief, no. If there is a conscious afterlife the only one qualified to judge me is me.
 
EarthRider said:
i believe in God

I believe in heaven and hell

I believe CEO and Lart will be in hell but the rest of us in heaven
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but you don't even know what I believe...pharisee.
 
cindylou said:
The spaghetti monster parody has nothing to do with the real question of if what exists has a creator. All it does is really show how out of touch people are on this stuff.
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I dunno, maybe you should explain more. You said people are out of touch on this stuff. By "this stuff" I assume you mean God and religion and what is "correct" (or in touch) about those subjects? By you saying that it seems like you are claiming that you are in touch and others are not. Amirong?
 
EarthRider said:
the quetion was "what do I think"

not what CEO believe
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I didn't see the word "think" in there. I saw "what do you believe." Further, all that was asked pertained to "you" not to how you felt about what would happen to others who didn't believe exactly as you do.

nangiggles said:
Let's break it down...

- Do you believe in a supreme being? be it christian concept God, Alah, buddah, or whatever you want, just a supreme being

- If you do, does this supreme being watch you, listen to you, maybe help you?

- Do you believe they will judge you upon death and there is an afterlife with heaven and hell?

I wanna know how you feel, those of you who dont believe dont get all douchey and make fun of those who do, tolerance bishes.
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Read much?

Also, I never stated what I believe, thus why you wouldn't know. But the thread was about what people in general believe, so in a way...it is about what I believe about a supreme being and how it pertains to me. It is also about what you believe about a supreme being and how that pertains to you (not me)...pharisee.
 
ceo said:
I dunno, maybe you should explain more. You said people are out of touch on this stuff. By "this stuff" I assume you mean God and religion and what is "correct" (or in touch) about those subjects? By you saying that it seems like you are claiming that you are in touch and others are not. Amirong?
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keep in touch with yourself...
 
she asked about the afterlife bro and i answered the way i saw it

you dont believe in god anyway so what do you have to worry about anyway
 
EarthRider said:
she asked about the afterlife bro and i answered the way i saw it

you dont believe in god anyway so what do you have to worry about anyway
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Again, how do you know what I do or do not believe in?? Please enlighten me.
 
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
 
digimon7068 said:
*fixed...and...

any ruler will do...gotta be at least 8" long, though :lmao:
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I see what you did there.


but according to King James English, it is "mete".
 
ceo said:
I see what you did there.


but according to King James English, it is "mete".
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i'm guessing king james could probably get away with a 4" ruler :lmao:

unless we're talking about the other king james...then all bets are off!

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ceo said:
I dunno, maybe you should explain more. You said people are out of touch on this stuff. By "this stuff" I assume you mean God and religion and what is "correct" (or in touch) about those subjects? By you saying that it seems like you are claiming that you are in touch and others are not. Amirong?
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this stuff = natural theology

If someone is making the statement that the belief in God is as ridiculous or the same as believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster then its obvious they don't know the arguments that have given the attributes needed to be a "god" or "creator" of the universe and everything that exists to answer the question or to even argue that he/it doesn't exist!

I never gave my opinion or argued anything. It is what it is. My post wasn't about religion at all.
 
i believe i'll be attending 10:30 mass tomorrow morning with my wife and kids...then i believe that i'll be coaching my son's (5 and 6 year old) flag football game at 1pm (he threw his first touchdown pass last sunday :) )...then i believe that i'll be taking my mom and my wife and my kids out for mother's day brunch/lunch/dinner (whatever the hell you'd call eating at 2:30pm).
 
Just throwing it out there, has anyone actually looked up why the whole Church of Pastafarianism was started?
 
But there are plenty of reasons to believe in a God or gods that make sense. If they don't want to believe that, fine I don't care, but no one can say its like believing in a fsm and still make sense.

There are no reasons to believe in a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Even if we pretend there were reasons...a Flying Spaghetti Monster can't be the Creator first of all because its a physical thing. Lol.

There. The end! <3 hahahahaha
 
FSM people are demonstrating supposed absurdity by being absurd by worshipping the FSM.
Its like "Ohh see, we can also invent some random God to worship thats not anymore credible than any other God, see how easy that is, and thats why all religion is horseshit"
 
cindylou said:
But there are plenty of reasons to believe in a God or gods that make sense. If they don't want to believe that, fine I don't care, but no one can say its like believing in a fsm and still make sense.

There are no reasons to believe in a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Even if we pretend there were reasons...a Flying Spaghetti Monster can't be the Creator first of all because its a physical thing. Lol.

There. The end! <3 hahahahaha
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OMG LMAO

only in Chat we might find someone who does believe in this :worried:
 
That is exactly what I'm talking about. The FMS is absurd. Believing in God is NOT absurd. There are many logical and credible reasons to believe in a Creator. The FSM could not be the Creator of all things, it does not have the attributes needed to be the Creator of all that exists, but the idea of a Creator of all things is not absurd no matter how many kids think they can compare them. You can't. It just shows how out of touch they are that they even think they make sense.
 
cindylou said:
That is exactly what I'm talking about. The FMS is absurd. Believing in God is NOT absurd. There are many logical and credible reasons to believe in a Creator. The FSM could not be the Creator of all things, it does not have the attributes needed to be the Creator of all that exists, but the idea of a Creator of all things is not absurd no matter how many kids think they can compare them. You can't. It just shows how out of touch they are that they even think they make sense.
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But you cant see, hear, or touch the FSM, you just have to have faith. FSM is God because they believe it to be so.

See what they are doing now?
 
-SD- said:
But you cant see, hear, or touch the FSM, you just have to have faith. FSM is God because they believe it to be so.

See what they are doing now?
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Right, I do see. I understand what you're saying. BUT...lets look at the parody. It does not work. The FSM is two large meatballs surrounded by a bunch of pasta and two eyeballs that we can't see, hear, or feel for whatever reason. Cute and fun. However, obviously it is finite, physical object. They are saying that we can't know anything about the nature of a supposed creator, if there was one. That's not true. If there was a creator It/He/She/Whatever could not have those attributes, IF (I'm stressing if) there is a creator we can infer something about what it would be like; FSM does not fit. The only thing that is absurd is the parody.
 
cindylou said:
Right, I do see. I understand what you're saying. BUT...lets look at the parody. It does not work. The FSM is two large meatballs surrounded by a bunch of pasta and two eyeballs that we can't see, hear, or feel for whatever reason. Cute and fun. However, obviously it is finite, physical object. They are saying that we can't know anything about the nature of a supposed creator, if there was one. That's not true. If there was a creator It/He/She/Whatever could not have those attributes, IF (I'm stressing if) there is a creator we can infer something about what it would be like; FSM does not fit. The only thing that is absurd is the parody.
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So what can we infer about God, does it look like Jesus? Budha? Six armed woman with a red dot on forehead? Little bearded middle eastern guy? This is why the FSM folks can claim just as much credibility as anyone else, because its just as nonsensical to believe God has a human form since people have only been around a few million years as opposed to the earth and universe which has been around many billions of years, thus would have to be created by something that had a nonhuman form.
 
I believe children should be raised and influenced by their parents to promote acts of kindness. Not to scare them into thinking they are going to hell, but because it benefits society. I do believe in a higher power, just not organized religion. I don't believe any of them have it "right".

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Riccomjm975 said:
I believe children should be raised and influenced by their parents to promote acts of kindness. Not to scare them into thinking they are going to hell, but because it benefits society. I do believe in a higher power, just not organized religion. I don't believe any of them have it "right".

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nobody asked you what you thought, stfu
 
-SD- said:
So what can we infer about God, does it look like Jesus? Budha? Six armed woman with a red dot on forehead? Little bearded middle eastern guy? This is why the FSM folks can claim just as much credibility as anyone else, because its just as nonsensical to believe God has a human form since people have only been around a few million years as opposed to the earth and universe which has been around many billions of years, thus would have to be created by something that had a nonhuman form.
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Okay, that makes more sense. I could more understand someone not believing that Jesus was God and could compare that to the FSM, I guess. I suppose to make the parody work they could say that FSM is their prophet, too. Lol. So, it could be used to mock religion but doesn't work to mock those that believe in a Creator, a Superior Being etc. or even us that as justification to not believe that a Creator exists. That's all I'm trying to say. Christians don't believe Jesus is the Creator, so it really doesn't totally work there but that makes more sense and I could understand that.

Using just one of many...the kalam cosmological argument would give someone a reason to think that IF there is a creator it would be timeless, immaterial, spaceless, w/o cause etc. The old who designed the designer objection would go against the FSM even.

To compare a belief in God to the FSM is lame.
 
cindylou said:
Okay, that makes more sense. I could more understand someone not believing that Jesus was God and could compare that to the FSM, I guess. I suppose to make the parody work they could say that FSM is their prophet, too. Lol. So, it could be used to mock religion but doesn't work to mock those that believe in a Creator, a Superior Being etc. That's all I'm trying to say. Christians don't believe Jesus is the Creator, so it really doesn't totally work there but that makes more sense and I could understand that.

Using just one of many...the kalam cosmological argument would give someone a reason to think that IF there is a creator it would be timeless, immaterial, spaceless, w/o cause etc. The old who designed the designer objection would go against the FSM even.

To compare a belief in God to the FSM is lame.
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I think FSM is more a comparison to the various organized religions and their respective dieties (jesus, budha, allah, etc) than to a creator of the universe.
 
-SD- said:
I think FSM is more a comparison to the various organized religions and their respective dieties (jesus, budha, allah, etc) than to a creator of the universe.
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That may be. It was originally used to mock Intelligent Design though, and in this thread kinda was used the same way. That's why I posted anything at all. Hooooowever, Jesus did exist; we did see him and have it recorded in history that at least he existed. Lol. The FSM does not have that. :D
 
cindylou said:
That may be. It was originally used to mock Intelligent Design though, and in this thread kinda was used the same way. That's why I posted anything at all. Hooooowever, Jesus did exist; we did see him and have it recorded in history that at least he existed. Lol. The FSM does not have that. :D
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Yes but bowls of spaghetti and meatballs exist at any italian restaurant today. Cant say that about jesus today. So really FSM folk can claim more tangible evidence of their gods existence today.

See how easy it is to make religion in general look reduculious when replacing jesus/budha/allah with FSM?

lolkaseltzer
 
-SD- said:
Yes but bowls of spaghetti and meatballs exist at any italian restaurant today. Cant say that about jesus today. So really FSM folk can claim more tangible evidence of their gods existence today.

See how easy it is to make religion in general look reduculious when replacing jesus/budha/allah with FSM?

lolkaseltzer
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Lol, not one meatball that has eyes and flies has been recorded in history. Or has there?
 
cindylou said:
Lol, not one meatball that has eyes and flies has been recorded in history. Or has there?
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Not one human being has been recorded in history that crawled out of their grave from the dead, walked on water, etc ?
 
-SD- said:
The reason its all called Faith is because it cant be proved.
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surah 21
30. Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

thats the big bang for u
 
saudiboy89 said:
surah 21
30. Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

thats the big bang for u
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We're talking about Gods and religion, not the big bang
 
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