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deteras1 said:
yeah, and free radicals.
plornive
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Why I am a reluctant 'strong atheist':
Through empirical evidence we can demonstrate that there is no discernable point at which something becomes conscious, although nearly everyone would claim otherwise. Consciousness comprises the brain; perhaps not the entire thing.
We cannot find an instance of the brain defying laws of physics, so some would argue that our minds operate according to the laws of physics. Maybe there is another kind of physics we do not yet understand - but this is hardly a strong hypothesis in support of the existence of an identity beyond physics. Even random events could be recorded and deemed "physical". Asserting that there is another kind of physics in which there are evolving energies underlying our existence is... presumptuous.
We could conceive of an interface; an interface of significance, for the reason that behind the interface lies an entity limited significantly more directly by itself then by elements opposite it's side of the interface - but that is irrelevant, for there is already an interface between our bodies and the world beyond. My causation, in a colloquial sense, comes more directly from myself than the external world, assuming I exist in that sense and I am not just in a dream where my objective observation is subjective nothingness.
Each moment is defined by the content of my memory and thoughts. The passage of time is an idea expressed somehow in my brain, not something that is inherently sensed. My idea of "self" is an idea expressed by my brain, my mind.
It is not incorrect to say that I am always dying and being reborn as a new person. Although I can feel my existence as a sequence of time, my actions are determined by current state, which was determined by other states including my interaction with the "physical" world. When I die, my experience will no longer be defined by my memory and my thoughts. My experience simply won't exist, although I might choose to hope for such an unwarranted idea.
The last grasp to the idea of "God" by would-be Christians and other misinformed people is analogous to the idea that we posses "consciousness" or "souls" beyond our "physical" selves. In this case, "God" is the "soul" and we blame everything on him while supposing we blame our "free" selves. The idea of "free will" stems from the mysterious conception of a "soul", which is irrelevant if we deem such to be "natural".
Through empirical evidence we can demonstrate that there is no discernable point at which something becomes conscious, although nearly everyone would claim otherwise. Consciousness comprises the brain; perhaps not the entire thing.
We cannot find an instance of the brain defying laws of physics, so some would argue that our minds operate according to the laws of physics. Maybe there is another kind of physics we do not yet understand - but this is hardly a strong hypothesis in support of the existence of an identity beyond physics. Even random events could be recorded and deemed "physical". Asserting that there is another kind of physics in which there are evolving energies underlying our existence is... presumptuous.
We could conceive of an interface; an interface of significance, for the reason that behind the interface lies an entity limited significantly more directly by itself then by elements opposite it's side of the interface - but that is irrelevant, for there is already an interface between our bodies and the world beyond. My causation, in a colloquial sense, comes more directly from myself than the external world, assuming I exist in that sense and I am not just in a dream where my objective observation is subjective nothingness.
Each moment is defined by the content of my memory and thoughts. The passage of time is an idea expressed somehow in my brain, not something that is inherently sensed. My idea of "self" is an idea expressed by my brain, my mind.
It is not incorrect to say that I am always dying and being reborn as a new person. Although I can feel my existence as a sequence of time, my actions are determined by current state, which was determined by other states including my interaction with the "physical" world. When I die, my experience will no longer be defined by my memory and my thoughts. My experience simply won't exist, although I might choose to hope for such an unwarranted idea.
The last grasp to the idea of "God" by would-be Christians and other misinformed people is analogous to the idea that we posses "consciousness" or "souls" beyond our "physical" selves. In this case, "God" is the "soul" and we blame everything on him while supposing we blame our "free" selves. The idea of "free will" stems from the mysterious conception of a "soul", which is irrelevant if we deem such to be "natural".
big_bad_buff
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I watched a video last night that a friend let me barrow. It was a video that 3 archeologists/missionary’s made of 'Physical evidence of ancient Exodus. I forget how long they spent there, but it showed a ton of evidence. It Showed the path were god parted the Red Sea so Moses and the people could cross(showed coral covered chariot wheel ect) It shows the mountain that god appeared over, and the top of the whole mounted is melted. It showed the rock that mosses struck and it split in two and water gushed out ect…to many to list. pretty good stuff for those that know there is a god but yet have a hard time actually believe the stories in the bible. cool to actualy see it
TXM4DM4N said:
This is where I stand as well. I too am very thankful I was raised like this.
I dont think because I'm a Christian that this messes up my life. I'm a very logical person, and think about things a lot, and even after pondering over Christianity and whether it is real or not, I always come back to the conclusion that it is.
The universe is too complex to be chance, and I see and hear so many stories about prayers being miraculously answered.
Bad stuff happens to us because God doesn't make life out to be all peachy and perfect, he wants to condition us, to make us tougher inside, to make us made of steel.
Jesus is a great model to look up to and shouldnt be dissed (whether you want to believe in his existence, death, and ressurrection is up to you i suppose, but i dont see any way how any of it can be refuted)
Of course if you don't 'want' to believe in any of this stuff, for any particular reason, you probably never will.
