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Do you approve a first-strike US nuclear attack against China if they invade Taiwan?

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Your government does.......


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Saturday, 9 March, 2002, 17:01 GMT
US 'has nuclear hit list'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1864000/1864173.stm

The Bush administration has reportedly ordered the Pentagon to prepare contingency plans for attacking seven countries with nuclear weapons.

Quoting a secret Pentagon report, the Los Angeles Times newspaper names China, Russia, Iraq, North Korea, Iran, Libya and Syria as potential targets.

Furthermore, the military have apparently been directed to build smaller nuclear weapons for battlefield use.

The Pentagon has declined to comment on the report which analysts have described as "dynamite".

According to the paper, the report lists three situations in which the weapons could be used.

These include "retaliation for attack with nuclear, biological or chemical weapons" and "against targets able to withstand non-nuclear attack".

The third category - "in the event of surprising military developments" - is described by the BBC's Washington correspondent, Paul Reynolds, as a "catch-all" clause.

The paper says the report was presented by the Pentagon to members of Congress on Friday.

It is quoted as saying the Pentagon should be ready to use nuclear weapons in an Arab-Israeli conflict, a war between China and Taiwan and an attack by North Korea on the South.

As for Russia, the report says that it is only listed in view of its own large nuclear arsenal and it is not viewed as an enemy.

'Taboo lifted'

Defence analysts told the Los Angeles Times that the secret report appeared to mark the first time an official list of target countries had come to light.

"I can imagine what these countries are going to be saying at the UN," said Joseph Cirincione, a nuclear arms expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington.

The report clearly referred to nuclear arms as a "tool for fighting a war, rather than deterring them", he added.

Anti-nuclear campaigners pointed out that the reported instruction to build new tactical nuclear weapons indicated that the administration of George W Bush was more willing to lift the old taboo on using nuclear weapons except as a last resort.

"This is very, very dangerous talk," said John Isaacs, president of the Council for a Livable World.

"Dr Strangelove is clearly still alive in the Pentagon," he commented, referring to a 1964 feature film about a nightmare nuclear conflict between the US and the Soviet Union.

Our correspondent recalls that the US made a veiled threat to Iraq during the Gulf War that it could respond with nuclear weapons to an attack by Baghdad using chemical or biological weapons.
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A US retalitory nuclear attack against China proceeding a Chinese invasion of Taiwan is ridiculous. The cold war is over. The spread of the "iron curtain" has been brought to a hault. Centrally controlled economies saw to that.

Bushs new "shoot-anything-that-moves" foriegn policy represents a major threat to world peace. The *only* reason why Taiwan has sustained its 50 year politcal indepedance from China is because of *US military funding*. Thats it.

Historically, Taiwan has always been a part of China. The US has no place whatsoever in an armed conflict between China and Taiwan, except perhaps, ancillary military provisions supporting Taiwan if they so choose.

To put it in perspective:

Imagine how Americans might feel if the Civil War had ended just 50 years ago and the Confederates still controlled Florida - made possible only by unilateral military aid from China.

Prime example of US government arrogance, which may get a whole lot of people killed.

Anyone care to share their opinion?
 
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hmmm

i do think nuclear targets be identified and constantly updated for every potential target in the world,thats only safe planning

but didnt pres. bush agree to reduce americas nuclear arsenal in return for the missle defence program? is this just a sign that he has little faith in the programs ability to shoot down multiple warheads andf is infact a complete waste of $$

the fact they have identified targets doesnt bnother me. the fact its public knowledge does.

and that they wish to increase their nuclear arsenal. though against a country like china, i dont blame them...with that much manpower. america would be better off allying themselves with a country like india



and WTF....why would we bother getting onvlioved in a war between arabs and israelis...as if PR isnt bad enough in that reigion we go and nuke it?!?
 
The BUSH administrations SUCKS!!!!!. If it benefits corporate AMERICA enough they'll use a nuke. If its the only way to secure the land for a future oil pipeline they'll use a nuke. (you don't really think the "WAR ON TERRORISM " is about terrorism do you????)
 
I don't think the Chinese will invade. It's too risky for them to do so. They're not fools. The russinans never invaded europe, the chinese will never invade taiwan.
 
hooch said:
The BUSH administrations SUCKS!!!!!. If it benefits corporate AMERICA enough they'll use a nuke. If its the only way to secure the land for a future oil pipeline they'll use a nuke. (you don't really think the "WAR ON TERRORISM " is about terrorism do you????)

I agree...fucking pigs...seriously these assholes have wanted war from day 1.
 
danielson said:
hmmm

i do think nuclear targets be identified and constantly updated for every potential target in the world,thats only safe planning

the fact they have identified targets doesnt bnother me. the fact its public knowledge does.

Interesting perspective Daniel. I agree. However, the threat of a chinese invasion of Taiwan is real. Taiwan has been part of China for the past 5000 years. The vast majority of Chinese citizens view Taiwan as a renegade province. Consequently, the Chinese view Taiwans self proclaimed independance as a bit of a sore spot.

If the threat of Chinese invasion of Taiwan is real, why bother risking WW3?
Honestly, work out the scenerios. If China invades Taiwan, so what. Taiwan becomes "officially" communist, Taiwan retains its capitalistic *booming* economy, and Taiwanian citizens and the American government are unhappy. Death toll between 10,000 - 30,000 Chinese and Taiwanian, civilian and military personal. max.

Second scenerio: China invades Taiwan, US intiates a possible nuclear counter strike, which provocates an assured nuclear exchange between both countries. As far as I know, China has >30 nuclear tipped ICBM's, hidden in remote *impenaterable* mountain caves, which can hit contential US targets. Payload: 4-5 MT nuclear warhead. Of course, America would counterstrike with a full nuclear deployment, wiping China from the face of the earth. Death toll between 400 million - 600 million Chinese and between 35 million - 70 million American citizens.

Which seems to make Bushs current posturing nothing but BS. Would the Bush administration engage in a nuclear exchange with China, sacrificing at least 35 million American civilians, just so they can protect "democracy"?

I seriously doubt it. Which insinuates a possible strategic advantage for a Chinese invasion of Taiwan ;)
 
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Just the fact that we have these fucking Military Industrial Complex / warmonger whores in office now talking about using nukes scares the shit outta me.
 
Frackal said:
Just the fact that we have these fucking Military Industrial Complex / warmonger whores in office now talking about using nukes scares the shit outta me.

me too. completely.
 
Nope.
I wish we'd stay out of others business.....
If we had been doing that we wouldnt have the probs we do today......
 
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