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Do you agree with the cop beating on that kid?

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http://msnbc.com/news/777480.asp

  • YES he deserved to be hit and slammed

    Votes: 21 60.0%
  • NO that cop went too far

    Votes: 14 40.0%

  • Total voters
    35
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dballer

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You can say we did not see the beginning of the tape.. but what could a 16 year old kid do to deserve that kind of treatment from a grown man.. while he is shackled.

I already know that all the cops on this board are gonna side with there cop brother.. but this is a yes or no kinda thread.
 
well i don't know the whole story only the people involved truly know what happened... sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette i spose... i can't really give an educated opinion at this juncture... i know i sound like a politician.
 
From the only tape that has been televised...Nope, it was rather excessive, and the law clearly ststes, you can use force necessary, and only necessary to neutralize the threat....he was in cuffs, and then slammed head first into a car hood, then punched in the face....After the L.A. riots, what do you think is going to happen to that police officer....He'll hang.

Ranger
 
I only saw what they showed on Headline News, but it seemed pretty over the top since he was already in cuffs (including the punch from the other officer)
 
He is mentally challenged, 16 years of age, you can clearly see he was completely picked up OFF the ground...Naw, that was wrong as Holy Hell....I know the police have a rough job, not alot of thanks to go round, get screwed by the system....But, it was still a bit excessive in my book....for what that is worth.....

Ranger
 
normally I would not... but this time I gotta say that cop was WAY out of line. He proved to be a criminal himself.
 
First of all.... the lawyer says he is mentally challenged... so that does not mean shit...from what Im hearing..the kid gave an officer a few stitches... (not 100% sure on that) From the tape..it looks bad... but once again...like Rodney King...... it doesn't show the whole incident
 
thefantom1 said:
First of all.... the lawyer says he is mentally challenged... so that does not mean shit...from what Im hearing..the kid gave an officer a few stitches... (not 100% sure on that) From the tape..it looks bad... but once again...like Rodney King...... it doesn't show the whole incident

the thing is.. black, white, green.. whatever... the suspect was in cuffs. It was a late hit. That is Aggravated Assault brother.
 
If he'd beat his ass when he first got hit....good to go, BUT....did you see the size of the kid???? 16 years of age, and he did all this to 3 police officers, and they had to do that to him....he must have weighed alot to be picked up off the ground in that fashion....bad ass 16 year old is all I can say....those poor cops will hang due to the media....

Ranger
 
I agree if he was already in cuffs the cops should have stopped there. I remember this friend for high school at the beach one day was thrown in for PI and was in cuffs in the back of the police car. The cop went to bust someone else and while he was gone ask me to get him a smoke. So I went and put a lit cigarrette in his mouth and took off. Well when the cop came back my friend tried to spit cigarette out on the ground and it stuck to his bottom lip. So the cop said, a smart ass huh? And put the cigarette out on his leg. He should have sued that pig. What a prick.
 
I thought it was excessive (especially considering the kid was shackled), but if I were the cop and the kid hit and drew blood, it would be hard for me not to fuck him up.
 
dballer said:
normally I would not... but this time I gotta say that cop was WAY out of line. He proved to be a criminal himself.

Yeah, no shit. A lot of cops have serious power complexes.
 
no it was not excessive. just like rodney king (driving 90mph through residential neighborhoods, high on meth, many priors), we get the edited version, or just what happened at the end. you don't walk into a club and split a guys head open that has 20 friends standing there and not expect to take an ass-beating, and you don't hit police officers and not expect the same. he's an idiot.
 
I cant stand cops


everytime I talk myself in to having a little faith in them and believing that there are some good ones out there---they refresh my grasp on reality---they are jerks.

problem is that the open ended power that is given to cops attracks the wrong kind of folks to the job.
 
huntmaster said:
I cant stand cops


everytime I talk myself in to having a little faith in them and believing that there are some good ones out there---they refresh my grasp on reality---they are jerks.

problem is that the open ended power that is given to cops attracks the wrong kind of folks to the job.

I like the idea of cops, and I've met some cops socially that were cool and I've actually been given a couple of breaks by cops.

HOWEVER, I've encountered dickhead cops too, and sadly those instances stand out more than the good one. That is human nature.
 
PS, the cops that I met that were cool were generally older cops, the young guys tend to be hotheads looking for anykind of action and any reason to fuck with people.
 
Yes he deserved but no need to be 5-6 cops to do that. That dude was the size of a golf club....
 
edited or not, the whole story or not...cops should show more restraint...that was way outta line...cops are bestowed with great authority, and with that authority should come maturity and level-headedness....
 
Regardless on the the kids age or mental state the cop's behavior became out of line the moment the suspect became handcuffed.

It's that black and white (no pun intended).
 
I didn't read anyones reply, but I will tell you how I feel about all of this.......... This is the GREATEST thing that could have happened to the kid and his family.

1) He will be coming up on tons of money

2) He will be seen as a hero throughout los angeles

3) He will now know not to EVER fuck with authority or he will be put in his place, this will keep him out of trouble, and hopefully he will grow up to be a productive member of society.

Whether the cop was right or wrong is irrelevant. What's relevant is that this is the single greatest thing to have had happened to the kid and his family.

I wish it was my little brother who got beat down by the cops like that.
 
The cop was way over the line with excessive force.
 
I hope police keep beating kids up -----and it gets on tape---that way these power hund cops that would be nobodys without being a cop will loose their jobs and these kids would see some money that they would not ever see in their life time if it wasn't for these dummies----

What I want to see is a cop all alone beat the fuck out of someone(it will never happen--their all pussies-sorry guys on here that are cops but you your self I think can agree with that)---cops were nobodys in highschool and in really didn't go to a college---they have power trips----I just looked this up and guess what cops are #3 for suicide-----dentist are first---doctors second then cops----they are unstable (not all ) but on an average----fuck em all----------peace
 
why the fuck would a dentist wanna commit suicide? sick of onion breath?!?
 
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/07/11/police.beating/index.html
LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- The man who shot an amateur videotape of police beating a handcuffed black teen-ager in suburban Inglewood, California, has been subpoenaed to appear before a grand jury Thursday morning.

The Los Angeles County district attorney's office, which convened the grand jury to investigate the incident, hopes to get the original videotape shot by Mitchell Crooks, Chief Deputy District Attorney Curt Livesay said Wednesday on a Los Angeles radio talk show.

Crooks and Livesay had a terse exchange on the show, with Crooks saying he feared police were "coming after me because I shot the video." (Full story)

The video shows a handcuffed Donovan Jackson, 16, being slammed onto a patrol car, then hit in the face by an Inglewood police officer. The tape, shot by Crooks from a hotel across the street from the incident, received widespread attention after airing on local and national television.

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The family of a teen-ager seen beaten by police in a videotape has filed suit. CNN's Thelma Gutierrez reports. (July 11)


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The FBI launches a probe into a police beating of a black teen in Inglewood, California, while angry protesters take to the streets. CNN's Thelma Gutierrez reports. (July 10)

Attorneys for Jackson and his father filed a federal lawsuit Wednesday, alleging that their civil rights were violated.

Family attorneys have alleged that Inglewood police officers and Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies beat Jackson and his father, Coby Chavis, before the videotape began.

"What you saw was the lesser of two beatings," said Joe Hopkins, Jackson's attorney.

The lawsuit names as defendants the city of Inglewood, Los Angeles County, four Inglewood police officers and three sheriff's deputies as well as unnamed officers from both departments who were at the scene.

The suit does not ask for specific damages, but John Sweeney, Chavis' attorney, said, "We believe this is a seven-figure case."

Law enforcement officials have insisted that the altercation was started by Jackson, who they say sought to interfere with a deputy trying to cite his father for having expired license plates and driving with a suspended license.

"The juvenile attacked our deputy, which started the scuffle in the first place," said Lt. Carl Deeley, a sheriff's department spokesman. "The young man lunged at the deputy, who then had to grab him, and they struggled with each other."

Jackson suffers from a disability that Sweeney termed "auditory processing delays," making it difficult for him to follow oral instructions.

Jeremy Morse, an Inglewood police officer of three years who is seen striking the teen on the videotape, has been suspended. No action has been taken against the other three Inglewood officers or the two sheriff's deputies who were at the scene.

In Washington, Attorney General John Ashcroft released a statement Wednesday saying the Inglewood incident "troubles me greatly." He has directed the FBI to begin an investigation, and a team from the Justice Department's community relations service was sent to the Los Angeles suburb.

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I like the part where the LAWYER says "We believe this is a seven-figure case." Yep - outstanding! My physical pain brought on by my resistance to authority can only be quenched by giving my dumb, broke ass a heap of taxpayer money and setting a standard for other delinquents.
 
SmegmaSoldier said:


interesting how you let the inappropriate actions of a couple of police let you believe that the many thousands of police are jerks.

inappropriate actions of a couple????

not the case pal.

I believe that the majority of cops are jerks.
 
They got what they deserved. HIs father was driving with a suspended license and an expired tag. I guarantee you that he didn't have insurance either. I've had two people crash into me in the same situation and my insurance had to pay for everything because the fuckers didn't have insurance or there license was suspended so there insurance didn't cover them at the time. Therefore I now have to pay double what the normal rate is for my insurance.

Besides, who knows what his dad did to get his license suspended. Possibly a DUI.

The kid shouldn't have interfered.
 
Most of you have no clue what it means to be a cop. As for the former cop, if you were really one, then you know as well as I do, that 95% of all the shit happens on car stops, And if the la sheriffs dep. were put out in trouble then the calvary is gonna show up. If he got a hinky feeling he is going to call for back up, especially in a shitty part of town.

Plates were expired, license was suspended, why was it suspended? Don't know because they are not telling us. Could it be for a dui?, unpaid ticket, habitual offender, etc. None of us knows because we were not there.

Does he deserve to smacked around if he was subdued and the threat was removed. NO!, but again, pictures do not always reveal the truth of the situation.

Funny, how almost all responses are against the cop and for the kid, yet the poll is showing the kid deserved his ass beating?

Cops don't have the luxury of giving an iq test to suspects, or asking if they have a hearing problem, etc.
 
chesty said:
Most of you have no clue what it means to be a cop. As for the former cop, if you were really one, then you know as well as I do, that 95% of all the shit happens on car stops, And if the la sheriffs dep. were put out in trouble then the calvary is gonna show up. If he got a hinky feeling he is going to call for back up, especially in a shitty part of town.

Plates were expired, license was suspended, why was it suspended? Don't know because they are not telling us. Could it be for a dui?, unpaid ticket, habitual offender, etc. None of us knows because we were not there.

Does he deserve to smacked around if he was subdued and the threat was removed. NO!, but again, pictures do not always reveal the truth of the situation.

Funny, how almost all responses are against the cop and for the kid, yet the poll is showing the kid deserved his ass beating?

Cops don't have the luxury of giving an iq test to suspects, or asking if they have a hearing problem, etc.

it means absolutely nothing what the person did before he was subdude-----look what happen is california a few years back when 2 guys robbed a bank and came blasting anything in their way------one was shot dead but when the other was surrounded (40min later), why on earth didn't the cops just fill him full of lead(by what your saying is they had every right to do so)(hell everyone seen the video on TV) instead they let him die by not letting a ambulance get to him.....Pretty smart cops----how many lost their jobs because of what they did----another lost his house and his savings in a civil suit-----Cops are not judges and jurys(even though they act like it) all they are a walking note takers(and if you watch any court TV, they can't even do that right)----they just take notes---and/or cuff someone-----their not dectectives--they are basically meder maids with a gun and cuffs------
 
chesty said:
Most of you have no clue what it means to be a cop. As for the former cop, if you were really one, then you know as well as I do, that 95% of all the shit happens on car stops, And if the la sheriffs dep. were put out in trouble then the calvary is gonna show up. If he got a hinky feeling he is going to call for back up, especially in a shitty part of town.

Plates were expired, license was suspended, why was it suspended? Don't know because they are not telling us. Could it be for a dui?, unpaid ticket, habitual offender, etc. None of us knows because we were not there.

Does he deserve to smacked around if he was subdued and the threat was removed. NO!, but again, pictures do not always reveal the truth of the situation.

Funny, how almost all responses are against the cop and for the kid, yet the poll is showing the kid deserved his ass beating?

Cops don't have the luxury of giving an iq test to suspects, or asking if they have a hearing problem, etc.

you really have to get out of where you live----i live in san diego and on any given day their are hundreds if not thousands of 18 wheelers carrying goods across the borders---and guess what most don't have insurance(however insurance is something that one needs by law cali) but not if your from mexico----and these things kill people on more then you would think...its all swept under the rug---middle america never knows about it---

So what your saying is this kid should get his ass kicked because he may be a habitul offender? or unpaid parking tickets? pleaZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!------why nobody wants to say their are a lot of fucking punk cops in beyond me----even the good cops know they are dealing with fucking time bombs----and they can do nothing about it---just the way it is-----
 
What was the crime he committed?

Haven't any of you kicked someone while they were down on the ground half knocked out? Isn't that the same thing. I know I've done it plenty of times.

I'm not saying the cop was right, but he is human and may have been on some dbol and fina! LOL
 
Sounds like you have a problem!

Wombat said:
I hope police keep beating kids up -----and it gets on tape---that way these power hund cops that would be nobodys without being a cop will loose their jobs and these kids would see some money that they would not ever see in their life time if it wasn't for these dummies----

What I want to see is a cop all alone beat the fuck out of someone(it will never happen--their all pussies-sorry guys on here that are cops but you your self I think can agree with that)---cops were nobodys in highschool and in really didn't go to a college---they have power trips----I just looked this up and guess what cops are #3 for suicide-----dentist are first---doctors second then cops----they are unstable (not all ) but on an average----fuck em all----------peace

I am guessing that you may be the pussy, and were a nobody in high school, or grade school for that matter, and struggled with your GED.

You take 500,000 cops across the country and you are going to have quite a few dumb asses. Let's say you take 1% of the cops, (5,000) divide that by the number of states, (50) and that means you have 100 dumb ass cops per state. You figure those dumb asses should be screwing up at least 10 times a year, and we only hear about major incidents like this every few months across the nation.

I am guess that most cops aren't assholes, ASSHOLE!
 
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Wombat, first, the kid did not deserve to get bitch slapped because his daddy did something wrong, it was what the kid did before and during.

As for the la bank robbery, they didn't pounce on the guy after he was shot nor let the ambulance because the threat was not neutralized yet. And I don't remember hearing anything about cops losing their jobs or savings over this. In fact, the dept would have provided all of the defense for them and paid any suits brougt about and lost by the cops. You really need to get out more. And court tv? That is your argument? Oh please.

Kick the shit out of someone all by our lonseome? Been there, done that, and the punks attacked me while on patrol.

This case is not open and shut by any means. Just because your in cuffs does not mean you are still not a threat. And some keep referring to him being subdued when in handcuffs. You are not subdued you are merely have your ability to maneuver restrained to a certain degree.

Again, to many armchair cops here and no experience. Besides, look at the poll results. Funny how the results support the exact opposite of what the majority of the responses are on here. Makes you go hmmmmmmmm.
 
From what I have read the kid had ahold of the cops nuts. Hell yeah, I would of broke his nose on that car. And the video only shows half the story, which was probably recorded like that for a reason, by someone that has already been proven to be high moral standings. That kid probably punched, scratched and bit those cops.

Problem with the media, they can turn anything around and convince the majority of people of an untruth. The kid probably deserved more than what he recieved. Perhaps the police should of just used tranquilizer darts to subdue the subject so he wouldn't cause anymore problems. By the way, so what if he's black. All that means is that Jesse Jackson, MLKIII and many others are going to protest. If the cop gets off here comes a riot.
 
Wombat said:



something along the lines of being perfectionist----they need very weird lifes..

damn.....thats odd, but if they are that high it must be pretty tangble as a reason

thanx :)





they got some other dude on tape soliciting a prostitute and bein beaten too. only saw a micro second of that in tape. hope this doesnt lead ton a landslide of brutality claims now
 
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