Do brand names matter? (quality)

[Beachbum1546]

this guy said Zambons (winny) is real strong compared to most. i asked him if 50mg/day was enough and he said i only need half that. I know 50mg/day is a good dosage so this is why i got to thinking about this.

So, does the brand name of the product matter? Like are some brands of the same steroids stronger or better made?

could you give me a run down of some of the more common brands and if they are good or not.

 

[Anthony Starks]

this guy said Zambons (winny) is real strong compared to most. i asked him if 50mg/day was enough and he said i only need half that. I know 50mg/day is a good dosage so this is why i got to thinking about this.

So, does the brand name of the product matter? Like are some brands of the same steroids stronger or better made?

could you give me a run down of some of the more common brands and if they are good or not.

How did you get 2,200 posts and still not know what brands of roids are good? I'm not going to type out a huge list for you, but in general any human grade gear is going to be the best. As far as underground labs go I like British Dragon, but there are a few good ones out there.

 

[anthony518]

Yes, brand matters. Plus you are putting those chemicals in your body, go with a goood company.

 

[Beachbum1546]

These are the ones I know. Which ones do you like? I can add actual steroids to these brands if that matters.

Human grade:
Novaquimica
Organon
Schering
ICN
Galenika
Schening - Europe
Schening - Mexico
Zambon
Arentis - Brazil
British Dispensery

Animal grade:
QUALITY VET
DENKALL
SYDGROUP
VM LABS
TORNELL
BROVELL
INTERVET
ILLIUM TROY LABS
CHINFIELD LABS
OVER LABS (Argentina)
BURNETT LABS
CALASTREME LABS

 

[Anthony Starks]

These are the ones I know. Which ones do you like? I can add actual steroids to these brands if that matters.

Human grade:
Novaquimica
Organon
Schering
ICN
Galenika
Schening - Europe
Schening - Mexico
Zambon
Arentis - Brazil
British Dispensery

Animal grade:
QUALITY VET
DENKALL
SYDGROUP
VM LABS
TORNELL
BROVELL
INTERVET
ILLIUM TROY LABS
CHINFIELD LABS
OVER LABS (Argentina)
BURNETT LABS
CALASTREME LABS

Like I said, as long as its legit, any human grade gear is going to be good both on dose and sterility. I don't use underground anymore because its really not that much cheaper, but of what I have used British Dragon is the best. Also, it kind of goes without saying, but IP is the worst.

 

[glennds]

of course they matter! don't you want to know you are getting quality for your hard earned cash!

 

[Beachbum1546]

of course they matter! don't you want to know you are getting quality for your hard earned cash!

thanks genius but i want to know what brands are the best.

 

[Anthony Starks]

thanks genius but i want to know what brands are the best.

LOL

 

[jubei]

Organon, Zambon, Schering, BD for human grade are all top notch.

 

[TheRide]

thanks genius but i want to know what brands are the best.

TEll me what type of steroid you're interested about and I will tell you what I think is teh best.

 

[Beachbum1546]

TEll me what type of steroid you're interested about and I will tell you what I think is teh best.

dbol
test prop
winny
test enanthate
tren
EQ

 

[Lowest]

In my experience, no. I've used human-grade, vet-grade, and homebrew. The best? Couldn't tell a difference. Got the biggest on Brovel's T200, and that's supposed to be a crappy brand. Certainly, human-grade will be cleaner and better dosed, but my own homebrew is just as clean and accurately dosed, and it's higher concentration and cheaper. Can you guess by now that I don't buy any premade gear anymore? lol

 

[Mythicalbeing]

I agree with Lowest....lot of UG and homebrew stuff is as good as most human grade stuff that's just my own opinion tho.

 

[LVTitan]

dbol
test prop
winny
test enanthate
tren
EQ

dbol-any of the human grade stuff, british dragon, old ttokyo, and some of the other well known ones. avoid the denkall dbol it's crap, but their other gear is good.
as far as HG, if it's legit, it's good.

i would stay away from brovel and tornel and loeffler they are bottom of barrel in my opinion. qv is good stuff, most denkall, sydroup , ap, syrus labs,
the list goes on and on and on, the shorter list would be the low quality stuff

 

[wls8687]

2000+ haven't heard of Jelfa yet????

 

[Anthony Starks]

In my experience, no. I've used human-grade, vet-grade, and homebrew. The best? Couldn't tell a difference. Got the biggest on Brovel's T200, and that's supposed to be a crappy brand. Certainly, human-grade will be cleaner and better dosed, but my own homebrew is just as clean and accurately dosed, and it's higher concentration and cheaper. Can you guess by now that I don't buy any premade gear anymore? lol

If you really think the sterility of gear you make in your kitchen is going to be "just as clean" as a human grade or even vet grade lab facility you are just wrong.

 

[Lowest]

Well Mr. Starks, you may not want to believe it, but it's quite true. You think just b/c a machine makes it in a "white room", it's any cleaner? I use sterile oil, BA, and put it through a sterile filter. ANY particulate material large enough to matter is caught in the filter, anything smaller like bacteria/viruses are killed by the BA. Exactly as clean as gear made by any medical company in the world, i've tested my gear and it comes back as pure as anything made anywhere in the world.

 

[Anthony Starks]

Well Mr. Starks, you may not want to believe it, but it's quite true. You think just b/c a machine makes it in a "white room", it's any cleaner?

Cleaner than made by you in your kitchen? Ummmm, yeah I do.

 

[LVTitan]

Cleaner than made by you in your kitchen? Ummmm, yeah I do.

human grade would be my number one choice, but i would personally use lowest's gear before certain mex and ug labs that i can think of.

 

[Lowest]

Well, I can certainly understand why you'd think that, and I take no offense at all bro. I was quite paranoid about "dirty" mex and UG gear when I first started and I'd only use human-grade. I just happen to trust myself more than other people when it comes to making my gear... that and I'm poor so I choose the much cheaper option

 

[Anthony Starks]

that and I'm poor so I choose the much cheaper option

Now that I can understand.

 

[glennds]

since i have been anointed a genius i like British Dragon. also had good luck with QV, although it is a little creepy taking drugs meant for animals that have a pic of a schnauzer on them. but if will assist me in increasing muscularity so be it.

 

[Anthony Starks]

since i have been anointed a genius i like British Dragon. also had good luck with QV, although it is a little creepy taking drugs meant for animals that have a pic of a schnauzer on them. but if will assist me in increasing muscularity so be it.

Dude, I don't care what they put on the bottle, QV is NOT "meant for animals". How many dogs do you know on test?

 

[glennds]

ok, let EF members answer this one. i will keep my mouth shut for now, genius.

 

[glennds]

btw guess what QV stands for?

 

[Beachbum1546]

since i have been anointed a genius i like British Dragon. also had good luck with QV, although it is a little creepy taking drugs meant for animals that have a pic of a schnauzer on them. but if will assist me in increasing muscularity so be it.

LOL

are british dragon and British Dispensery the same company?

 

[Anthony Starks]

btw guess what QV stands for?

No shit it stand for Quality Vet, but you are really naieve if you think any of the "vet" companies make their money from bodybuilding hamsters.

 

[glennds]

maybe not. but maybe from farmers trying to beef up their cattle (NO money in that for them) or breeders trying their horses bigger and stronger.

oh and may not be so unlikely that is a dog is on test for canine illnesses.

not trying to be disrespectful anthony but you shouldn't make sarcastic comments if you cannot back yourself up.

 

[Anthony Starks]

maybe not. but maybe from farmers trying to beef up their cattle (NO money in that for them) or breeders trying their horses bigger and stronger.

oh and may not be so unlikely that is a dog is on test for canine illnesses.

not trying to be disrespectful anthony but you shouldn't make sarcastic comments if you cannot back yourself up.

Cannot back myself up? You are looking like an idiot to everyone on the board and you are calling me out? Will someone please let this newbie know that companies like QV income is from bodybuilders? Thanks.

 

[TheRide]

Cannot back myself up? You are looking like an idiot to everyone on the board and you are calling me out? Will someone please let this newbie know that companies like QV income is from bodybuilders? Thanks.

If you were a horse breeder and you were to use steroids (which I don't think is even legal/ethical) Why would you buy a 10cc bottle of EQ? If 1 10 CC bottle lasts me 4 weeks... it would last a 1400lb horse 5 minutes...

When was the last time you saw a pooch who needed: anadrol, var or winstrol tabs? Test... ok there are clinical condidtions were a dog would need test, but a choice of prop, cyp, enath? Or how about a poodle of T400... I can't even take the pain! Bengi would DIE!

And, if you were a vet, why would you bother with mexican meds when you were licensed to purchase them from US vet supply stores??

BTW - whoever said something about cows and test... that's against FDA regulations... I don't even think they can them fina tablets anymore but then again, I'm not a farmer... But hey, if I did breed chickens, I would surely whack them up on 500cc's of Deca a week!

Anyway, dispite being licensed for ""Vet use" I would venture to guess that the majority of their revenue is generated by folks using their products for "physical enhancement"

 

[Anthony Starks]

If you were a horse breeder and you were to use steroids (which I don't think is even legal/ethical) Why would you buy a 10cc bottle of EQ? If 1 10 CC bottle lasts me 4 weeks... it would last a 1400lb horse 5 minutes...

When was the last time you saw a pooch who needed: anadrol, var or winstrol tabs? Test... ok there are clinical condidtions were a dog would need test, but a choice of prop, cyp, enath? Or how about a poodle of T400... I can't even take the pain! Bengi would DIE!

And, if you were a vet, why would you bother with mexican meds when you were licensed to purchase them from US vet supply stores??

BTW - whoever said something about cows and test... that's against FDA regulations... I don't even think they can them fina tablets anymore but then again, I'm not a farmer... But hey, if I did breed chickens, I would surely whack them up on 500cc's of Deca a week!

Anyway, dispite being licensed for ""Vet use" I would venture to guess that the majority of their revenue is generated by folks using their products for "physical enhancement"

Well said as always Ride. You rock.

 

[TheRide]

Well said as always Ride. You rock.

Thanks AS - I usually try to not be sarcastic in my posts. But I'm overtired and pissed b/c this is the last week of my winter cycle

 

[gunz99]

maybe not. but maybe from farmers trying to beef up their cattle (NO money in that for them) or breeders trying their horses bigger and stronger.

oh and may not be so unlikely that is a dog is on test for canine illnesses.

not trying to be disrespectful anthony but you shouldn't make sarcastic comments if you cannot back yourself up.

do you think farmers from idaho are going online and looking up qv products for their cattle or even more ridiculously their dog??? hell no we all know what qv or any other vet gear was meant for .. us.. mr. starks is right... i guess your annointing should be taken away

 

[a-f-x]

if its good enough for mexican cattle, its good enough for me.

 

[glennds]

boy such backlash! but i stand behind what i say. veterian pharmaceuticals is big business, including steroids for animal use. i don't need to be right here, but do a search on drugs used for cattle, horses, and dogs if you care.

anyhow, this type of thread has come up several times. EF posters have often wondered how much steroids manurfactured for human and/or animal use is actually used for its intended use, and how much ends up on the black market used by athletes and/or bodybuilders?

noone can possibly answer this here. maybe the execs at QV, or SYd Group know this for sure but it would be inappropriate and unethical to go public with this type of thing so we will never know.

there may be a huge medical need for steroids in the animal and human communities that we don't hear about. farmers may not need to go online thru black market sources to obtain say, equipose, for their horses. may be prescribed thru their vets. maybe one bottle of EQ that we humans split up into 5 doses or so would be one dose for a horse. (with a big old 8" guage needle and thick 15cc syringe).

 

[a-f-x]

it does say on the box of (mexican) enanthate, manufactured by brovel, that you should stop administering the drug a month or two before slaughter. that kind of speaks for itself... theres probably many things that we dont know about that go on with cattle and livestock... my buddy is a veterinarian and he does use SOME of the same steroids that we would use. for example: winstrol. he was talking to me about it the other day, although they do not use much of it, it is still used. by the way, nice post glennds.

 

[Jroxxx]

can some one tell me how to make home made plz ,is it finiplex??? do you make all kinds???

 

[maxpayne72]

boy such backlash! but i stand behind what i say. veterian pharmaceuticals is big business, including steroids for animal use. i don't need to be right here, but do a search on drugs used for cattle, horses, and dogs if you care..

You know, somewhere out there (Huntington Beach California) some white trash alcoholic is giving T400 to their PitBull. And we will hear about it on the late night news when "Cujo" rips up the neighbourhood.

As sad as it is to say, I'd imagine some sickos do give their fighting/guard/whatever dogs industrial ammounts of test to make them more aggressive.

 

[LVTitan]

you can bet the people behind ap,sydgroup, qv, denkall etc know DAMN WELL that a majority of their gear is being sold/marketed to humans, they stand behind the vet grade as a legal loophole. yes lots of vets do prescribe this stuff for animals, but everyone knows the big money is from bbers...
and yes you can still use fina in cattle, but it has to be out of the system for a month before the meat can be harvested you are correct there.

 

[glennds]

you can bet the people behind ap,sydgroup, qv, denkall etc know DAMN WELL that a majority of their gear is being sold/marketed to humans, they stand behind the vet grade as a legal loophole. yes lots of vets do prescribe this stuff for animals, but everyone knows the big money is from bbers...
.

there is no way of being sure about this. the black market for bodybuilders/athletes may be a terrific way for AAS manufacturers to boost their sales but think of ALL the pets/farm animals/horses/cattle in the entire world that may have a use for vet grade steroids.

there may be MORE cattle out there in every country worldwide on some sort of steroid than juiceheads. the dosages for a horse or a cow are way larger also.

 

[LVTitan]

yes true glennds, i should not have said a 'majority' i just meant a 'shitload'

 

[mr.cuts]

You know, somewhere out there (Huntington Beach California) some white trash alcoholic is giving T400 to their PitBull. And we will hear about it on the late night news when "Cujo" rips up the neighbourhood.

As sad as it is to say, I'd imagine some sickos do give their fighting/guard/whatever dogs industrial ammounts of test to make them more aggressive.

LOL! I think I read a post on this site by a guy who was thinking about juicing up this dog. I think he wanted to inject it with 500mg of test and 400mg of EQ per week!