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DNP or NOT?
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Baywatch69
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Forget DNP and Forget clen, Honestly, DIET and Cardio, you get ripped through HARD WORK not some pills.
shortspanishguy
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Dont use DNP. Id rather look "soft".
shortspanishguy
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Zuperman said:
DNP is at the top of my list of subtances Ill never touch.
Inhibitor13
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DNP over Tren aye? Im curious of why....
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Listen, like anything we all inject, ingest, or take in transdermally, there will be consequences. Yes, I have seen a lot of guys take DNP with great success, while others have almost died, like Mr. X, and others have urinated blood.
For obvious reasons, it sounds like you haven't even researched DNP and what its uses are outside of BB. It is used to couple DNA bonds, as a dye, and it is in pesticides and such. It was once approved by the FDA to treat obesity, but a small percentage of people were dropping dead, while others were getting cataracts in their eyes.
Other than that, DNP is the best fat burner. it raises your basil metabolic rate by almost 40-80%, while clen and T3 are around 3-5%. It basically destroys your ATP production, which is what your mitochondria produces for energy, so you will become overlysluggish. You will sweat yellow and give off a chlorine odor. With that said, you will be able to drop about a pound or two per day, while sparing any muscle.
Although I would never touch the stuff myself, I am not against it. If you don't take the necessary water intake, about 2 gallons a day, and about 10-15 different supplimentary vitamins, you will be in big trouble.
IMPO, the sides outweigh the benefits, but to each their own.
For obvious reasons, it sounds like you haven't even researched DNP and what its uses are outside of BB. It is used to couple DNA bonds, as a dye, and it is in pesticides and such. It was once approved by the FDA to treat obesity, but a small percentage of people were dropping dead, while others were getting cataracts in their eyes.
Other than that, DNP is the best fat burner. it raises your basil metabolic rate by almost 40-80%, while clen and T3 are around 3-5%. It basically destroys your ATP production, which is what your mitochondria produces for energy, so you will become overlysluggish. You will sweat yellow and give off a chlorine odor. With that said, you will be able to drop about a pound or two per day, while sparing any muscle.
Although I would never touch the stuff myself, I am not against it. If you don't take the necessary water intake, about 2 gallons a day, and about 10-15 different supplimentary vitamins, you will be in big trouble.
IMPO, the sides outweigh the benefits, but to each their own.
Burning_Inside
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you dont need anything to get ripped besides proper diet and exercise. Once you have that set in stone, just keep at it until you get ripped. Monitor your progress. If you notice your bodyfat % loss stalls, then start adding in some diet aids, but dnp should be the last choice ever. try clen + t3, any otc fat burner, etc. You can only lose so much fat at once anyways no matter what you're taking, so it's best to just do it naturally while falling in that 2-3 lb loss per week area, would make no sense to waste money for supps to help fat loss until you hit that wall.
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Diet and cardio is key. I'm a prime example. It has taken me about 3 years, but I was 255 lb's at 25% BF. I am now 242 lb's and the low 14% and still losing. It has taken me years to understand what diet works best for me and how much cardio to do without burning muscle.You can do it, it just takes time and effort.
Sassy69
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Zuperman said:
I think the relevant question is what are you trying to accomplish? If you want to say drop 5% bf or somethinig like that - diet, training & cardio. If these are optimized and you want to look into something else, then you can look at other stuff.
If you are remotely interested in DNP, do the research. Don't just ask people's opinions because you will get answers alll over the place. There's lots to learn about how to use DNP - that alone may keep you from being interested. But at least you'd have the basis to make the decision.
I probably take the more conservative approach w/ these types of questions because for women, anything you throw in your body is going to have some adverse affect, often much more drastic than for guys. But at the end of the day, diet, training & cardio will usualy get you what you want, though not fast, it is reliable. It aint' sexy or hot to talk about on the AAS board, but it will work.
tiggerizme
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Zuperman said:
Yes it can be that bad and here is why.
If you screw up using it, you may go blind, or end up in the hospital on an ice bed receiving ice-water enemas as the doctors frantically try to make the temperature of your yellow and sweaty body go back down. And no, I´m not joking. On the positive side, very few people have died from DNP use, although it remains a distinct possibility, as some DNP related fatalities have been reported. (14)(23)
Outside the Bodybuilding world, DNP is used to make certain dyes, break open a capsule of it and you´ll see that the distinct color you get on your hands is nearly impossible to wash off. It can also be used as a fungicide, herbicide, and insecticide. Before that, in the early part of the 1900´s it was used as an explosive.
Clearly, this is stuff you don´t want to take lightly.
DNP works by uncoupling oxidative phosphorylation, which increases the body´s temperature and metabolic rate (1). Synthesis of fatty acid in adipose tissue requires cooperation of mitochondrial and cytoplasmic enzymes. Mitochondria release energy from food molecules and transform energy into useable form via the production of ATP. ATP is the primary carrier of energy within your cells, and most cells die quickly in the absence of it. ATP in turn powers your muscles. What does DNP have to do with all this? DNP depletes your muscle´s ATP(4), thus requiring your mitochondria to convert more energy from food molecules, and thus create more ATP to replace what was lost. This makes your body use more energy to do anything from walking the dog to benching 315lbs. In addition, since cellular levels of all these metabolites depend on the efficiency of mitochondrial energy conversion, a mitochondrial proton leak via uncoupling proteins (UCPs) could modulate Fatty Acid synthesis.(8) Paradoxically, DNP inhibits muscle contraction, even though it accelerates the ATPase activity activity of isolated myosin(13). ATPase is the enzyme that causes ATP molecules to release the energy they store, and myosin is a protein that (along with actin) is responsible for both muscular contraction and relaxation.
DNP Weight Loss
All of this tells me that your body will need to create more energy than usual to keep up with the demands DNP is placing on it. In addition, it will have to use more of the food you take in to produce that much-needed energy, and less of that food to create and store fat. In fact, you´ll start using stored fat as energy to attenuate the energy deficit DNP creates. I´ve seen studies on animals where a +60% increase in metabolic rate is achieved with DNP use (9), although I feel that in humans, the rate may actually be higher. My speculation is that proper DNP use in humans can net a 40-80% rise in BMR (basal metabolic rate). This is all from hypermetabolism, or the increase in metabolism or your body´s need to use more energy to perform tasks.
So what happens when your body requires more energy to do today the same things it did yesterday? You lose more fat today than you did yesterday...in this case, a lot more. What else? You get tired more quickly as your body struggles to convert food into energy. Your endurance will suffer. Your staying power in the last few reps of a set will vanish. Your ability to complete the same amount of sets as you did yesterday, with the same intensity and weights will suffer. But that won´t seem like much of a big deal to you at the time, because you probably won´t get much of a "pump" at all from the workouts you are completing because DNP reduces the amount of available glycogen in your muscles(4) (5)(6). DNP will also increase your rate of ventilation, as your lungs try to get oxygen into your muscles (16). Your blood will be moving a bit slower than usual, as DNP will increase the viscosity (thickness) of it. Basically, it will increase your body´s need for oxygen as well as your blood viscosity (3), and it nearly doubles the rate of oxygen consumption in muscles (11). Thus, your body will have to work much harder to oxygenate your blood, and then transport it to working muscles. Cardiac output will then increase proportion to this new rate of oxygen consumption (15).If you are an athlete, you´ll play like garbage on DNP because of all that stuff I just mentioned. For these reasons, I see it as very useful for a bodybuilder (who only has aesthetics to be worried about, not functional ability or performance), but not very useful for an athlete. If (and this is a big if), you are badly out of shape and fat before you have training camp for your sport´s preseason, then I suppose you can try to use this stuff to lose some fast weight. But in all honesty, a 20 day cycle of DNP, no less than a month away from training camp is all I´d risk. You´ll lose some weight, and only have to keep it off for a month until training camp starts. I really want to stress, though, that this stuff is an exceptionally poor choice for use by an athlete. And remember that part I told you about earlier, about DNP inhibiting muscle contraction? Yeah, that´ll make you weaker, also.
DNP Fat Loss
Speaking about getting weaker, DNP will lower Thyroid (T3) and Thyroid Stimulating Hormone levels (7). Lower thyroid levels are positively correlated with lethargy (tiredness) and muscle weakness. So it´s pretty fair to say that just as DNP makes you lose fat via several mechanisms, it´s just as fair to say that it will make you feel like garbage through several mechanisms. Don´t get me wrong, not everyone feels like total garbage on DNP, but it´s by far the most common side effect I´ve heard of, next to bad breath. No, really. Oh, and I almost forgot yellow(ish?) sweat and body odor that´s brutal. Then there´s this weird taste in your mouth .On the bright side, we´re talking about fat loss of almost a half a kilogram per day (1lb/day), when DNP is properly used.
One of the most worrying side effect of DNP use is it´s ability to cause vision problems (19)(20). Realistically, you should be alright if you keep your doses and duration of use reasonable.
A lot of the side effects (at least the more dangerous ones, including the ones associated with vision problems) need to be addressed before I tell you how much DNP you can use, and for how long. First of all, you will want to make sure you are taking in enough carbs. Yeah, that´s right, a ketogenic diet (that´s a diet with no carbs, essentially) is too dangerous to consider with DNP use. In fact, I recommend taking in a good amount of carbs after your workouts, at least 1-2g/kg of bodyweight. Glucose metabolism is enhanced in less than a week (21), and I´m wary of depriving your body of carbs while using DNP. All of these extra carbs are going to make you sweat more, as your body literally burns them up. I´d still say you can take in as many carbs as you want& and you´ll want a lot (carb-cravings are a side effect of DNP use).
The other thing you want to use is pyruvate, which at the very least will have occularprotective properties (yes, I made that word up, and it means something that protects your eyes)(22). Pyruvate will also have some other cool effects on your body´s energy production ability, but here, we´re primarily concerned with not developing cataracts or floaters in our vision.
Thankfully, DNP is not particularly hard on your heart, blood pressure, or liver. The only reason you´ll experience increases in cardiac output is as a response to the increased ventilation DNP will cause while you are exerting any kind of muscular force, and even then it isn´t particularly dangerous (3)(6)(11)(15). Most DNP users feel this effect only vaguely, certainly nothing compared to what would be experienced with use of Ephedrine or maybe even caffeine. So we´re really only dealing with the lowering of thyroid values and the possible eyesight problems. Oh& and that pesky "death thing"&
So far, we know we need to keep some carbs in our body, and take some pyruvate. I can only assume you will also be taking a multivitamin/mineral while using DNP, just to keep all of our bases covered. There´s also some good reasons to take an energy supplement with DNP use, since it will sap energy out of you. I recommend something in the morning, and pre-workout, as a minimal insurance against feeling too tired all the time. Also, you want to take some T3 with your DNP, because of DNP´s aforementioned ability to lower conversion of T4 into T3, 50-100mcgs/day should suffice. Taurine and potassium are popular additions to a DNP cycle for many experienced users& they may not help, but if cramping becomes an issue, then they could help. Because we´d never even consider using DNP and not taking in enough water, right? I´d suggest water intake be kept obscenely high, and as close to two gallons per day as you can get.
So now that you know all about DNP, and how to avoid most of the negative side effects, I´ll tell you how much to take. From my research, I´d say 2mgs/kg-5mgs/kg is optimal. If I were going to use this stuff personally, I´d stay on the low end of that, but I am aware that the "Underground Standard" is 600mgs/day. That´s still a reasonably safe dose, for most. I´ll also say that were I to personally use DNP, I would limit its use to less than 3 weeks, 20 days is the longest I´m comfortable
YankeesMan
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Zuperman said:
At of all of the things you have listed here DNP is the most dangerous substance, and to be clear by dangerous I mean MOST likely to kill you.
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koartist said:
it usually relates to people not understanding diet, so although you can eat like shit on DNP and still lose weight, once you come off you will still be eating like shit and the weight will come back on. plus it effects your thyroid production.
mr. snakes
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Zuperman said:
DNP is hardcore stuff, if your going to use it be VERY careful with it.....
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