DNA double trouble

[stilleto]

identical twin men both slept with the same woman within a 2 day period.

she got pregnant and the DNA tests can't determine which was is the father, since they have identical DNA.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/LegalCenter/Story?id=3195632&page=1

 

[Scotsman]

First off what a tramp sleeping with twins on the same day.

Secondly I wonder if they know which one got the sloppy seconds?

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[gonelifting]

I saw that the other day. I wonder how the outcome will be reached. They can both say "It's not me... prove it." and I think they can both be right in a court of law.

I'd like to see the ultimate outcome. Interesting.

 

[heatherrae]

identical twin men both slept with the same woman within a 2 day period.

she got pregnant and the DNA tests can't determine which was is the father, since they have identical DNA.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/LegalCenter/Story?id=3195632&page=1

I guess they should just have them split child support and give them both visitation. ???

 

[Bikini Mod]

I think it is deplorable that these men are using such an arguement to beat paying child support, however, I have said it before and I will say it again. The second a woman decides to lay down with a man she should automatically assume that the responsibility of an impending pregnancy will be hers alone as I believe this train of thought alleviates a lot of bullshit down the road.

I believe that this case could set a precedent for women's rights and abortion.

Think about it. Men are using the old "father's rights" arguement to say that they should have a say in whether a should be allowed to abort a fetus that they do not want to carry to term just because the women does not WANT to become a mother whether they keep the baby or not. So now, what will this case do to THAT arguement?

These people are all idiots. The woman and both men. How humiliating to deny a child that is DEFINITELY your blood just because you don't want to shell out a whole 50$ a month.

Trailer trash.... pure and simple. And these are the people that are setting legal precedents in our country.

 

[heatherrae]

I think it is deplorable that these men are using such an arguement to beat paying child support, however, I have said it before and I will say it again. The second a woman decides to lay down with a man she should automatically assume that the responsibility of an impending pregnancy will be hers alone as I believe this train of thought alleviates a lot of bullshit down the road.

I believe that this case could set a precedent for women's rights and abortion.

Think about it. Men are using the old "father's rights" arguement to say that they should have a say in whether a should be allowed to abort a fetus that they do not want to carry to term just because the women does not WANT to become a mother whether they keep the baby or not. So now, what will this case do to THAT arguement?

These people are all idiots. The woman and both men. How humiliating to deny a child that is DEFINITELY your blood just because you don't want to shell out a whole 50$ a month.

Trailer trash.... pure and simple. And these are the people that are setting legal precedents in our country.

Well, it is an interesting case. Whatever precedent it sets, I doubt these exact facts will arise too often if ever again. lol. It's a weird case.

I'm trying to look at it from the closest legal analogy that I can imagine: Imagine that two people fire identical guns and both bullets enter the brain. One bullet hit a vital part and killed the person. The other glanced off and was not the cause of death. However, it now cannot be determined from ballistics which bullet came from which gun.

Should you find both guilty of murder if only one bullet could have killed the person? Or, should both be acquitted because of lack of evidence?

In my opinion, the act necessary to cause the result and the intent to do the act were there (even if one did not necessarily intend the end result) and both should be held equally culpable if neither can be excluded.

 

[Sub-Zero]

maybe she shoulda thought of this before she went and got herself pregnant.

these men obviously wanted no part in child birth/being a father, and she kept the baby for some reason or another.

was slutting around on both of them, kinda gross.

since she wanted to be a mom so bad she should pay her own goddamn child support

 

[GoldenDelicious]

i need a clone...

 

[jh1]

Well, it is an interesting case. Whatever precedent it sets, I doubt these exact facts will arise too often if ever again. lol. It's a weird case.

I'm trying to look at it from the closest legal analogy that I can imagine: Imagine that two people fire identical guns and both bullets enter the brain. One bullet hit a vital part and killed the person. The other glanced off and was not the cause of death. However, it now cannot be determined from ballistics which bullet came from which gun.

Should you find both guilty of murder if only one bullet could have killed the person? Or, should both be acquitted because of lack of evidence?

In my opinion, the act necessary to cause the result and the intent to do the act were there (even if one did not necessarily intend the end result) and both should be held equally culpable if neither can be excluded.

Your analogy is fatally flawed. There was no bad intent by the twins.

However in your analogy - both 'suspects' are at *LEAST* guilty of attempted murder - the only thing in question is which one cast the bullet that actually killed the victim. Which in any reasonable person's judgement - is of insignificant consequence. I, for one, as a juror would easily convict both - my guess is that the vast vast vast majority of other jurors would feel the same way. Apparently this includes you.

You can't compare the actions of two men that had sex with the same women to two 'trigger men' in a murder case.



Bikinimom - $50????? Please. In general - child support is in the league of life altering amounts of money, not pocket change.

 

[swole]

this thread makes me want to surprise visit my biological father and punch him right in the face for making things difficult for my beautiful mommy when i was a yunggin

 

[Cutiebaby]

holy hell, I hope she atleast showered in between brothers!
I think neither one should have to pay support..Well ok maybe they both should pay support, it is not fair to only make one guy pay for the child when the possibility that she is not even his is so high

 

[jh1]

Hmmm..

Also... I didn't even bother to read the article, perhaps I should. But I wouldn't assume skankasourous would receive child support.

Here is a case where three people could potentially have parental rights and they could all possibly have an equal right to custody. They could each have the child 33.3% of the time - I have no idea what their incomes are - but she could end up owing child support to the men - which I'd find fucking hillarious.


As far as 'Reasonable Expectations' go... in a normal case both the man and the woman should reasonably expect that a pregnancy could occur as a result of the act, and that isn't any different in this case.

However, what is different in this case - is that the man should/could reasonably expect to be able to determine - scientifically - paternity. In this case that reasonable expectaion isn't met because - slut-whore - also fucked the twin brother. This act denied the brothers this - she was the only one with 100% foresight to see how the act could end and what could be reasonably expected. She should be responsible for the situation she caused, she could have reasonably expected this - whereas these guys wouldn't have reasonably expected this.

If I was the judge I wouldn't let the child suffer because of her failure though. What a wierd case.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Your analogy is fatally flawed. There was no bad intent by the twins.

However in your analogy - both 'suspects' are at *LEAST* guilty of attempted murder - the only thing in question is which one cast the bullet that actually killed the victim. Which in any reasonable person's judgement - is of insignificant consequence. I, for one, as a juror would easily convict both - my guess is that the vast vast vast majority of other jurors would feel the same way. Apparently this includes you.

You can't compare the actions of two men that had sex with the same women to two 'trigger men' in a murder case.



Bikinimom - $50????? Please. In general - child support is in the league of life altering amounts of money, not pocket change.

Really? Then how do you explain my ex being ordered to pay me just over 100$ p/week for FOUR KIDS in the state of NJ when I had full custody and he made well over 100K per year ans my income was so low that I was still eligible for food stamps?

puh-lease...

Unless the father is donald trump or the like, I haven't heard of too many mothers getting rich off of child support.

These guys are trailer trash that reside in Missouri and I can guarantee you that neither would be ordered to pay much more than 50$.

 

[Dial_tone]

Here's what gets me. The judge says:

"Look, she had a bunch of girlfriends to the rodeo and they got drunk and she went banging on Raymon's door trying to have sex," Copeland said. "He says he did reluctantly…but I can't imagine it was reluctantly — and that's when the baby was conceived I guess."

You guess? In a court of law you're going to guess? I have a problem with that.

 

[stilleto]

this thread makes me want to surprise visit my biological father and punch him right in the face for making things difficult for my beautiful mommy when i was a yunggin

thats actually very sweet.

I really don't know how i feel about these brother's paying. i don't think the mother should get to choose who has to pay.

and its like a murder trial where you can't prove who did it... neither should have to serve time, BUT, this is a kid... do they both pay half? does the mother take the responsibility, since she's the one that slept with BOTH of them, without birth control?

i dunno.

 

[jackangel]

if you kill everyone involved, the problem happily runs away.

 

[-SD-]

I guess they should just have them split child support and give them both visitation. ???

wrong. Its either one or the other. As a lawyer you should know any other lawyer will have a field day with this in court.

 

[puddlemonkey]

identical twin men both slept with the same woman within a 2 day period.

"And according to the woman's testimony, she had sex with each man on the same day. Within hours of each other."


I almost felt a little sorry for the woman until I read that. Not sure where you got the 2 day theory. She's a whore, 2 guys within hours of each other, no protection? Whore. This shouldn't have been in the courts for years. Neither guy wants to be a part of it, she's a whore, the kid should have been taken away from them at a young age and placed with adoptive parents. Ones that have morals and standards and can give the child a better upbringing than these retards can (or will).

 

[puddlemonkey]

And where's Pinto bean to move this to BTS

 

[heatherrae]

Your analogy is fatally flawed. There was no bad intent by the twins.

However in your analogy - both 'suspects' are at *LEAST* guilty of attempted murder - the only thing in question is which one cast the bullet that actually killed the victim. Which in any reasonable person's judgement - is of insignificant consequence. I, for one, as a juror would easily convict both - my guess is that the vast vast vast majority of other jurors would feel the same way. Apparently this includes you.

You can't compare the actions of two men that had sex with the same women to two 'trigger men' in a murder case.



Bikinimom - $50????? Please. In general - child support is in the league of life altering amounts of money, not pocket change.

Well, dearest JH1, I said that the intent to perform the act was there even if the intended result (i.e. getting her pregnant) was not.

If a man chooses to have sex, he is equally culpable in making a child as the female and is equally responsible to care for it. PERIOD. If you don't like the consequences, men, get a vasectomy or wear a condom. It isn't that hard to figure out.

I admitted that it was hard to think of an analogy, but in the law when a result is pretty likely from your actions, it is called reckless when you proceed in the face of that likelihood. Shooting a gun at someone is likely to injure or kill them. Shooting your load in a girl is likely to impregnate her. It isn't that tough to figure out, boys.

 

[heatherrae]

this thread makes me want to surprise visit my biological father and punch him right in the face for making things difficult for my beautiful mommy when i was a yunggin

You SHOULD.

 

[heatherrae]

Hmmm..

Also... I didn't even bother to read the article, perhaps I should. But I wouldn't assume skankasourous would receive child support.

Here is a case where three people could potentially have parental rights and they could all possibly have an equal right to custody. They could each have the child 33.3% of the time - I have no idea what their incomes are - but she could end up owing child support to the men - which I'd find fucking hillarious.


As far as 'Reasonable Expectations' go... in a normal case both the man and the woman should reasonably expect that a pregnancy could occur as a result of the act, and that isn't any different in this case.

However, what is different in this case - is that the man should/could reasonably expect to be able to determine - scientifically - paternity. In this case that reasonable expectaion isn't met because - slut-whore - also fucked the twin brother. This act denied the brothers this - she was the only one with 100% foresight to see how the act could end and what could be reasonably expected. She should be responsible for the situation she caused, she could have reasonably expected this - whereas these guys wouldn't have reasonably expected this.

If I was the judge I wouldn't let the child suffer because of her failure though. What a wierd case.

LOL @ her being called all the names. NOTICE no one insulted the men based on their sexual choices.

TYPICAL

 

[-SD-]

LOL @ her being called all the names. NOTICE no one insulted the men based on their sexual choices.

TYPICAL

Double standards exist. Deal. The bottom line is if a court of law cant prove who the father is then neither one is responsible. The precedent set for thousands of men is that a paternity test proves who is the father, "splitting the difference" between two people where one is the father and one isnt. It sucks but thats how it goes.

 

[jh1]

LOL @ her being called all the names. NOTICE no one insulted the men based on their sexual choices.

TYPICAL

You've never called a girl a slut or anything similar?

You don't find her acts slutty?

Even more slutty than perhaps the men in this case?

From reading the article, I found that the men didn't know about the other one 'TAPPING THAT NASTY SLUT ASS'.....



She's a slut. A nasty one at that. Admit it.

 

[Bikini Mod]

LOL @ her being called all the names. NOTICE no one insulted the men based on their sexual choices.

TYPICAL

I clearly stated that the fact that these men are trying to use such an arguement to support their own flesh and blood was deplorable.

They are BOTH related to the child.

 

[heatherrae]

You've never called a girl a slut or anything similar?

You don't find her acts slutty?

Even more slutty than perhaps the men in this case?

From reading the article, I found that the men didn't know about the other one 'TAPPING THAT NASTY SLUT ASS'.....



She's a slut. A nasty one at that. Admit it.

Actually, I think both are pretty equal. I would NEVER repeat NEVER sleep with someone who my sister slept with. ICK! Who knows the back story, though. Maybe she was madly in love with one brother who dumped her and the other brother made a move to give her a shoulder to cry on. Or, perhaps, she really did just want to bang both of them. Who knows.

I just find it HILARIOUS that you are still calling her names but you haven't thought a single bad thing about the guys sleeping with the same woman. To me that is gross.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Who knows the back story, though. Maybe she was madly in love with one brother who dumped her and the other brother made a move to give her a shoulder to cry on.

"Asked if it is true that he did at one time formally date Adams, Richard Miller told ABC News, "Well, if you call that dating." Raymon confirms that he never dated Adams in any sense, but that they were "messing around.""

 

[jh1]

Actually, I think both are pretty equal. I would NEVER repeat NEVER sleep with someone who my sister slept with. ICK! Who knows the back story, though. Maybe she was madly in love with one brother who dumped her and the other brother made a move to give her a shoulder to cry on. Or, perhaps, she really did just want to bang both of them. Who knows.

I just find it HILARIOUS that you are still calling her names but you haven't thought a single bad thing about the guys sleeping with the same woman. To me that is gross.

I find them all to be low class disgusting trash, et cetera... (do I really need to go on here???)

I think all kinds of things about all of them I didn't necessarily express, I just find her behavior to be extrodinarily disgusting. Don't you?

 

[DannoMight]

I don't think the brother would have taken sloppy seconds if he knew his bro just blew a load up there. I certainly wouldn't but some people have low standards.

 

[heatherrae]

"Asked if it is true that he did at one time formally date Adams, Richard Miller told ABC News, "Well, if you call that dating." Raymon confirms that he never dated Adams in any sense, but that they were "messing around.""

Yeah, I'm not surprised he would say that. Don't all men pull that when they don't want to be a responsible father. It makes them feel better that they didn't abandon a girl they were dating. They try to reduce the girl to nothing so they feel okay about not being a decent dad.

I think unless a man is truly mentally handicapped and has no idea how babies are made, all the rationalizing on their part of how they shouldn't pay child support and shouldn't take care of their offspring is horse shit, plain and simple.

If you don't like it men, make sure it doesn't happen. It's a 50/50 proposition.

 

[jh1]

If you don't like it men, make sure it doesn't happen. It's a 50/50 proposition.

In this case it's a 33.3/33.3/33.3 proposition cause she's a fuggin SLUT.

 

[DannoMight]

Yeah, I'm not surprised he would say that. Don't all men pull that when they don't want to be a responsible father. It makes them feel better that they didn't abandon a girl they were dating. They try to reduce the girl to nothing so they feel okay about not being a decent dad.

I think unless a man is truly mentally handicapped and has no idea how babies are made, all the rationalizing on their part of how they shouldn't pay child support and shouldn't take care of their offspring is horse shit, plain and simple.

If you don't like it men, make sure it doesn't happen. It's a 50/50 proposition.

and girls that don't want a baby should also use some type of BC but not everyone thinks rationally when they're all heated and ready to bang.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Yeah, I'm not surprised he would say that. Don't all men pull that when they don't want to be a responsible father. It makes them feel better that they didn't abandon a girl they were dating. They try to reduce the girl to nothing so they feel okay about not being a decent dad.

I think unless a man is truly mentally handicapped and has no idea how babies are made, all the rationalizing on their part of how they shouldn't pay child support and shouldn't take care of their offspring is horse shit, plain and simple.

If you don't like it men, make sure it doesn't happen. It's a 50/50 proposition.

Ok, fair enough, so which one pays child support?

 

[p0ink]

I'm trying to look at it from the closest legal analogy that I can imagine: Imagine that two people fire identical guns and both bullets enter the brain. One bullet hit a vital part and killed the person. The other glanced off and was not the cause of death. However, it now cannot be determined from ballistics which bullet came from which gun.

Should you find both guilty of murder if only one bullet could have killed the person? Or, should both be acquitted because of lack of evidence?
.

the gun analogy is impossible, because even if the two firearms were of the same make and model and the ammunition was out of the same lot, it would still be able to identify which gun shot which round.

this is possible because the barrels cannot be completely the same due to the manufacturing process. sure, each barrel would have the same specifications, but each would have their own unique 'fingerprint' due to several factors (imprecision of the manufacturing process, wear and tear from firing, scratches from cleaning, etc, etc)\. this fingerprint would then leave marks on the round which would be visible to forensics.

moral of the story? always change/alter barrels and firing pins after you shoot something that may have people come looking for you.

 

[heatherrae]

In this case it's a 33.3/33.3/33.3 proposition cause she's a fuggin SLUT.

I don't think she is the first gal in the world to sleep with more than one man in a month's time. I'm betting you have slept with more than one gal in a month.

 

[heatherrae]

and girls that don't want a baby should also use some type of BC but not everyone thinks rationally when they're all heated and ready to bang.

No argument. Equal responsibility from the man and woman.

 

[DannoMight]

Ok, fair enough, so which one pays child support?

Neither. The state should put the child in a home with caring, responsible adults. Not some brother fucking whore who probably has some mental illness. Now each guy will be called "UncleDaddy"

 

[jh1]

I don't think she is the first gal in the world to sleep with more than one man in a month's time. I'm betting you have slept with more than one gal in a month.

Not with twins.... yet. Stay tuned.


The difference here is that her 'CHOICE' in men led to a situation where paternity cannot be determined - hence the 33.3/33.3/33.3 goofiness. It wasn't so much that she slept with mulitple men, but the men that she slept with...



Oh, and don't try to lessen the reality of her disgustting slutiness. It wasn't a month. If that was the time table in this case, paternity wouldn't be an issue. I think semen can live up to 5 days inside a woman....

 

[heatherrae]

Ok, fair enough, so which one pays child support?

I guess they should split it, although I have a bit of a dillemma saying that. Under the law, you really are supposed to have proof. I doubt the situation will ever come up again. I mean, I doubt there are lots of identical twins having sex in the same month with the same woman.

If you think about it, one has to be the dad and one has to be the uncle. I just think if I were in the same position as the men, I would want my child or my niece or nephew to be well cared for.

This is the part I don't understand, guys. If I messed around and had a baby out there (hypothetically if men could get pregnant) I would want to see it, provide for it, and nurture it.

I have a hard time understanding why so many men aren't wired to feel any love for their offspring regardless of the situation that gave rise to the child. It makes me want to scream "grow up and quit pointing fingers."

 

[DannoMight]

Holy fuck I just seen the two uncledaddys and that nasty girl fugged both of those tubby slobs within a few hours of eachother? The state should just leave that case in the trailer park where it belongs.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Oh, and don't try to lessen the reality of her disgustting slutiness. It wasn't a month.

Exactly, apparently it was within hours of each other. SLUT!

 

[jh1]

I guess they should split it, although I have a bit of a dillemma saying that. Under the law, you really are supposed to have proof. I doubt the situation will ever come up again. I mean, I doubt there are lots of identical twins having sex in the same month with the same woman.

The standards of 'proof' aren't as high in a paternity case like this as they would be for sending someone to prison.

I think she bares the responsibility for causing such a fucking circus, but that should end up effecting the child.

I think they should all have to pay. All three of them - to care for the child.

Fucking wierdos.

And dirty slut.

 

[p0ink]

ok, is there any pictures of the people involved?

i cant make a judgement without one.

 

[puddlemonkey]

The state should put the child in a home with caring, responsible adults.

Yep, but like I said before, they should have done this early on. Now that the kid is a few years old she obviously recognizes "mommy".

 

[heatherrae]

The standards of 'proof' aren't as high in a paternity case like this as they would be for sending someone to prison.

I think she bares the responsibility for causing such a fucking circus, but that should end up effecting the child.

I think they should all have to pay. All three of them - to care for the child.

Fucking wierdos.

And dirty slut.

Why was she solely responsible. Did the men trip and have their dicks just fall into her?

 

[DannoMight]

ok, is there any pictures of the people involved?

i cant make a judgement without one.

there is a pic of the uncledaddys in the link on the first post. Couple of tubby bishes.

 

[puddlemonkey]

I guess they should split it, although I have a bit of a dillemma saying that. Under the law, you really are supposed to have proof. I doubt the situation will ever come up again. I mean, I doubt there are lots of identical twins having sex in the same month with the same woman.

WHAT!?!?!


One is without a doubt NOT the father. No way in hell should one of them have to pay for something that is guaranteed NOT to be his. And stop saying month, she whored around with these two guys within hours of each other.

 

[heatherrae]

Call the WHAAAAmbulance men.

Call the female all the names you want, but it takes TWO people to make a baby. If you don't have the emotional maturity to quit pointing fingers and be a responsible daddy if that is the result, then A) quit sticking your dicks in women you wouldn't want to bear a child with B) get a vasectomy C) actually put on a condom and quit whining about how it feels D) be a REAL MAN and own up to being a dad and be the best one you can be.

Pretty simple.

 

[pintoca]

The results of the first DNA test came up like this

"Hun, you a HO!"

 

[jh1]

Why was she solely responsible. Did the men trip and have their dicks just fall into her?

Because she was the only one in a position to have reasonably expected this rediculous outcome.

Because of her - the men have been deprived of the resoable expectation of being able to deterime paternity and therefore who is financially responsible.

Because of her nasty slut fest - this poor child will never know who it's father is.

 

[heatherrae]

From a legal strategy standpoint, she should have gotten the results back and just gone after ONE of them. The results would show a 99.9% match and paternity would be established. If she brought up the other guy, that was a BIG mistake.

 

[DannoMight]

As for who should pay. Both of those fat fucks should man up. Even if they aren't proud of sleeping with her within hrs apart. Its apparent that they really can't tell exactly who is the real daddy plus they both had sex with her the same day making each as guilty as the next and equally as nasty cause one did know that the other was with his brother.

 

[heatherrae]

Because she was the only one in a position to have reasonably expected this rediculous outcome.

Because of her - the men have been deprived of the resoable expectation of being able to deterime paternity and therefore who is financially responsible.

Because of her nasty slut fest - this poor child will never know who it's father is.

Well, I know men are stupid but.... (lol)

The men couldn't predict a resulting pregnancy form shooting a load in the girl? Really? LOL.

She deprived them of determining paternity? Really? They didn't deprive her of determing paternity equally? They didn't know they were twins? They didn't know how their dick works? They didn't know how babies are made?

The woman is a slut for sleeping with two men? Really? So banging someone your brother just finished banging isn't?

Who cares how it happened. There is a little baby here now, and the men should man up and quit being stupid asses.

 

[puddlemonkey]

The woman is a slut for sleeping with two men? Really? So banging someone your brother just finished banging isn't?

You're assuming they knew about the other one sleeping with her that day/night.


Newsflash pumpkin: WOMEN LIE

Or in this case she probably just chose to stfu about it.

 

[jh1]

Well, I know men are stupid but.... (lol)

The men couldn't predict a resulting pregnancy form shooting a load in the girl? Really? LOL.

She deprived them of determining paternity? Really? They didn't deprive her of determing paternity equally? They didn't know they were twins? They didn't know how their dick works? They didn't know how babies are made?

The woman is a slut for sleeping with two men? Really? So banging someone your brother just finished banging isn't?

Who cares how it happened. There is a little baby here now, and the men should man up and quit being stupid asses.

Never claimed they didn't know their actions could have resulted in pregnancy. Never.

They didn't know about each other.

 

[heatherrae]

I just now went and read the article and saw the guys pictures.

JESUS CHRIST!

They should both print up articles in the local paper about being the daddy and carry that little girl around everywhere. They should wear it as a badge of honor that someone actually slept with their ugly asses.

 

[puddlemonkey]

I just now went and read the article and saw the guys pictures.

lol, you've been blindly defending her without reading the article or getting all the information first? Damn lawyers! lol

 

[puddlemonkey]

Now admit she's a slut!!!!!! Do it!!!!!!

 

[heatherrae]

Never claimed they didn't know their actions could have resulted in pregnancy. Never.

They didn't know about each other.

Okay, if they didn't know about each other, how is it that as soon as she filed the paternity suit, Raymon claimed that the brother did it.

Really, it doesn't matter. What matters is the kid. Courts established paternity before DNA and can do so again. They should have taken testimony about how many times she had sex with each, whether one ejaculated inside her, etc. and just decided it on the other evidence.

Actually, now that I read the article, I realized it has already been decided. Raymon has been determined to be the dad, and says "the state should eat it" with regard to his child support. He is appealing so as to drag it on and on for years to try to keep for paying those years. My bet is that the appeals will fail.

 

[heatherrae]

lol, you've been blindly defending her without reading the article or getting all the information first? Damn lawyers! lol

No, my opinion is still the same. All three people were strangely promiscuous. It's neither here nor there with regard to who should pay child support.

 

[heatherrae]

lol, you've been blindly defending her without reading the article or getting all the information first? Damn lawyers! lol

I'm not defending HER. I'm defending the child's right to support. You guys don't focus on the right things. You are all about the conception and not about the little girl that resulted.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Okay, if they didn't know about each other, how is it that as soon as she filed the paternity suit, Raymon claimed that the brother did it.

Lets see, did she file a paternity suite the day after she had her little slutfest? Obviously not, its was months if not year(s) later. During that time she could have been so proud of her slutty self and told a friend she had twin brothers the same night, which told another friend, which got back to the brothers. Or, maybe the brothers talked the following day(s) and figured out at that time the whore had slept with both of them the same night.

 

[jh1]

No, my opinion is still the same. All three people were strangely promiscuous. It's neither here nor there with regard to who should pay child support.

Wait.

She was the only one that we know to be promiscuous.

Why are you attacking the men and calling them promiscuous???

Main Entry: promiscuous
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: sexual
Synonyms: abandoned, alley cat, bum, cheap, debauched, dissipated, dissolute, dog, easy mark, fast*, for free, immoral, indiscriminate, lax, libertine, licentious, loose*, musical beds, profligate, pushover, put out, run around, sex job, sleep around, slut, swinging, tramp, two-time, unbridled, unchaste, undiscriminating, unrestricted, wanton, wild.


Not nice to call them names.

 

[heatherrae]

Lets see, did she file a paternity suite the day after she had her little slutfest? Obviously not, its was months if not year(s) later. During that time she could have been so proud of her slutty self and told a friend she had twin brothers the same night, which told another friend, which got back to the brothers. Or, maybe the brothers talked the following day(s) and figured out at that time the whore had slept with both of them the same night.

I find it incredibly hard to believe and completely irrelevant anyway whether they knew or what.

I just think you men are a riot examining in great detail the actions of the woman but taking the men's word for gospel on anything that they said. Truth is, if they would have gotten to know the girl and were not being just as promiscuous as she was, they would have known better.

Plus, WHO FUCKING CARES? There is a baby here now. They stuck their dicks in and made a baby and now they need to be a man for once in their sorry lives and take care of it.

It speaks volumes about the men's character that they haven't even seen the child even though there is no doubt that one is her father and one is her uncle. They put their own mother in the middle, obviously not caring about hurting her either. They are self-centered losers who just need to start acting like adults and take care of their child/neice.

 

[jack sparrow]

I Heather.

 

[jh1]

Plus, WHO FUCKING CARES? There is a baby here now. They stuck their dicks in and made a baby and now they need to be a man for once in their sorry lives and take care of it.

Only one did that.


I think that's what the legal battle is over.

Although I do think they are being slimey and even if they knew who the father was these low class fugs would just use that as an excuse to not pay. She'd probably do the same thing though if she could - they're all disgustingly low class.

 

[heatherrae]

Only one did that.


I think that's what the legal battle is over.

Although I do think they are being slimey and even if they knew who the father was these low class fugs would just use that as an excuse to not pay. She'd probably do the same thing though if she could - they're all disgustingly low class.

Okay, pretty close in agreement here. lol.

 

[heatherrae]

I Heather.

I love you too.

You wanna make my next baby? When you get back we can practice up for it.

 

[heatherrae]

Wait.

She was the only one that we know to be promiscuous.

Why are you attacking the men and calling them promiscuous???

Main Entry: promiscuous
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: sexual
Synonyms: abandoned, alley cat, bum, cheap, debauched, dissipated, dissolute, dog, easy mark, fast*, for free, immoral, indiscriminate, lax, libertine, licentious, loose*, musical beds, profligate, pushover, put out, run around, sex job, sleep around, slut, swinging, tramp, two-time, unbridled, unchaste, undiscriminating, unrestricted, wanton, wild.


Not nice to call them names.

They are being promiscuous because they slept with a girl without so much as knowing that she was sleeping with their brother. That doesn't take lots of investigation to figure out...lol. I'm sure they didn't take her home to meet the parents first...

Promiscuity is rampant. Most of us are guilty, myself included. (Not talking about in regard to the father of my child. I only had sex with my bf while we were together). If you have sex, ever, without being at least in a serious, committed relationship with someone, then you are being promiscuous.

It really isn't an excuse not to take care of offspring that result.

 

[gonelifting]

From a legal strategy standpoint, she should have gotten the results back and just gone after ONE of them. The results would show a 99.9% match and paternity would be established. If she brought up the other guy, that was a BIG mistake.

Imagine she goes after the one guy and wins.... THEN goes after the other guy at a later time and WINS again! lol Only in an "Evidence not permissable" type thing. That would be awesome.


This case is interesting. I don't really care who the hell wins the case. "She's a whore, he's an uncle daddy deadbeat.." lol Who cares, the case is awesome and I can't wait to see what they do here.

Sure (disclaimer) you want a newborn child to be taken care of. blah blah blah. We're not animals here, but it's not our call to make at this point.

 

[jack sparrow]

I love you too.

You wanna make my next baby? When you get back we can practice up for it.

I wanna try for two...twins run in my family.

In the mean time, practice makes perfect.

 

[puddlemonkey]

I'm not defending HER. I'm defending the child's right to support. You guys don't focus on the right things. You are all about the conception and not about the little girl that resulted.

Yes, and I'll tell you why using my father as an example. After 16 years of marriage my mother decides she wants a divorce. Reason, "I just fell out of love". Ok, fair enough. Court decides my father gets us kids every other weekend. So four days out of the month we spend with our father. He pays a heafty amount of child support to help raise us, which he never complained once about even though it results in him living in a 1 bedroom apartment in the ghetto. However, with us only being with him 4 days out of 30 he has virtually no say in how we're raised. Luckily for my brother and I our mother never verbally trashed our father in front of us (she didn't have a reason to anyway). But I've seen many examples where this isn't the case, the mother will constantly say negatives things about the father. And of course kids are like sponges, they absorb these things, especially when its coming from their living environment of where they are 90% of the time. Unluckily for my brother and I my mother was way too lenient, at 14/15 years old I was out til 3am or 4am breaking into cars, homes, stores etc. This made my father livid! But there was nothing he could do. If he were at home I'd get the belt if I walked in the house late. My mother let my brother drop out of school (went back later) because he wanted his own job/money and school was telling him he could only work X amount of hours per week. This would infuriate my father, but nothing he could do. Basically my father had to financially support something he had no control over, and did not agree with. Maybe if the courts were fair to fathers we would focus more on the "right things". And sure, he probably could have tried to take her back to court, but in the end my father knew it would just be more for the lawyers and less for the family. He was already in the ghetto, he didn't want his kids there too.

 

[heatherrae]

Yes, and I'll tell you why using my father as an example. After 16 years of marriage my mother decides she wants a divorce. Reason, "I just fell out of love". Ok, fair enough. Court decides my father gets us kids every other weekend. So four days out of the month we spend with our father. He pays a heafty amount of child support to help raise us, which he never complained once about even though it results in him living in a 1 bedroom apartment in the ghetto. However, with us only being with him 4 days out of 30 he has virtually no say in how we're raised. Luckily for my brother and I our mother never verbally trashed our father in front of us (she didn't have a reason to anyway). But I've seen many examples where this isn't the case, the mother will constantly say negatives things about the father. And of course kids are like sponges, they absorb these things, especially when its coming from their living environment of where they are 90% of the time. Unluckily for my brother and I my mother was way too lenient, at 14/15 years old I was out til 3am or 4am breaking into cars, homes, stores etc. This made my father livid! But there was nothing he could do. If he were at home I'd get the belt if I walked in the house late. My mother let my brother drop out of school (went back later) because he wanted his own job/money and school was telling him he could only work X amount of hours per week. This would infuriate my father, but nothing he could do. Basically my father had to financially support something he had no control over, and did not agree with. Maybe if the courts were fair to fathers we would focus more on the "right things". And sure, he probably could have tried to take her back to court, but in the end my father knew it would just be more for the lawyers and less for the family. He was already in the ghetto, he didn't want his kids there too.

I don't really see how that is relevant to this particular case. Sounds like your mom had trouble with two teenage boys getting in trouble and your father was a good dad but was sideline coaching. It's easy to always blame the other parent, but kids can be a handful. Doesn't sound like either was a terrible parent, and it doesn't sound like your father got screwed if he never sought to change the arrangement.

What is weird to me is how you blame it all on your mom and make your dad out to be a martyr. It seems they both did what they could to make it work.

That isn't really the case with the 3 people in the story. In that story, it seems that the person who is really being mature and doing the right thing is the grandmother. They would all benefit, as would the baby, if they quit fighting and just took care of the girl. They are all blood relatives, by the way.

 

[jh1]

If you have sex, ever, without being at least in a serious, committed relationship with someone, then you are being promiscuous.

I disagree. Obviously people personal definitions of promiscuity are going to differ but this one more closely fits how I think of it:

Promiscuous: Engaging in casual sexual relations with many persons indiscriminately.

I think she was the slut. She was the only promiscuous one of the three. To my knowledge, anyway.

 

[heatherrae]

I disagree. Obviously people personal definitions of promiscuity are going to differ but this one more closely fits how I think of it:

Promiscuous: Engaging in casual sexual relations with many persons indiscriminately.

I think she was the slut. She was the only promiscuous one of the three. To my knowledge, anyway.

Hmmmm...well, if you are having sex with someone who you just met, my bet is that you are a bit promiscuous. I mean they are having sex with women without even questioning or caring whether they are "sluts" as you call them. Does this not make men "sluts?"

So, children of promiscuous women don't deserve to be supported by the fathers? Is that how you think it should work?

 

[jh1]

Hmmmm...well, if you are having sex with someone who you just met, my bet is that you are a bit promiscuous. I mean they are having sex with women without even questioning or caring whether they are "sluts" as you call them. Does this not make men "sluts?"

So, children of promiscuous women don't deserve to be supported by the fathers? Is that how you think it should work?

1) I don't beleive it's the case that they just met her. I mean seriously, what are the chances that two twins, seperately, just met this woman and fucked her? Hell if that's the case, maybe she thought it was the same guy.

That doesn't pass the laugh test, she's a slut. She knowingly fucked both of them. They had known her for awhile, therefore I don't think they can be judged as promiscuous from this one single act without knowing more.


2) Don't try to make me out to be advocating dead-beat dads simply because I think the childs mom is a whore, and the guys are not necessarily as disgusting as her. In almost every post I have made I have pointed out that hte child should not be victimized because her parents are loosers.


To be sure:

a. Mom is a disgusting, nasty slut.
b. The men are fat losers that are lucky they ever got laid.
c. They are all extremely low class trash that shouldn't be allowed to breed.
d. The child shouldn't be left without care or the financial means as result of any of this.

 

[heatherrae]

1) I don't beleive it's the case that they just met her. I mean seriously, what are the chances that two twins, seperately, just met this woman and fucked her? Hell if that's the case, maybe she thought it was the same guy.

That doesn't pass the laugh test, she's a slut. She knowingly fucked both of them. They had known her for awhile, therefore I don't think they can be judged as promiscuous from this one single act without knowing more.


2) Don't try to make me out to be advocating dead-beat dads simply because I think the childs mom is a whore, and the guys are not necessarily as disgusting as her. In almost every post I have made I have pointed out that hte child should not be victimized because her parents are loosers.


To be sure:

a. Mom is a disgusting, nasty slut.
b. The men are fat losers that are lucky they ever got laid.
c. They are all extremely low class trash that shouldn't be allowed to breed.
d. The child shouldn't be left without care or the financial means as result of any of this.

How well could they possibly know her and still claim they didn't know she was sleeping with their brother? Really. That is ridiculous.

Plus, it really doesn't matter. Yeah, I think it is gross to sleep with brothers. I think the brothers are gross for sleeping with the same girl. However, none of that really matters now. I guess we agree on that.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Double standards exist. Deal. The bottom line is if a court of law cant prove who the father is then neither one is responsible. The precedent set for thousands of men is that a paternity test proves who is the father, "splitting the difference" between two people where one is the father and one isnt. It sucks but thats how it goes.

Actually I believe that if this is the case (not saying that it should/shouldn't be) but then ALL MEN that make any sort of claim that they should have a say in whether or not a woman that they impregnate should be made to carry the baby to term whether the woman wants to or not are pretty much out of luck.

If the law can not make a man be held accountable for paternity, then neither should men be able to "legally" become fathers.

Legal precedents set by trailer trash.... Good Lord!

Bottom line - only the mother should be able to decide whether or not to carry a pregnancy to term. She alone should be able to make that decision, but also, she alone should be held responsible.

Sorry guys... that is just how nature designed it.

 

[puddlemonkey]

I don't really see how that is relevant to this particular case.

It was in response to your, "guys don't focus on the right things".

 

[blueta2]

Plus, it really doesn't matter. Yeah, I think it is gross to sleep with brothers.

wellllllllllllllll if they look like those brothers, yeah!

 

[jh1]

How well could they possibly know her and still claim they didn't know she was sleeping with their brother? Really. That is ridiculous.

Um girls and guys sneak around and fuck other people behind their commited lover's backs all the time and they don't know about it...

How could that POSSIBLY happen??? Fuck I don't know... use your imagination.... for crying out loud.

Hardly rediculous. Not even close.

 

[heatherrae]

Um girls and guys sneak around and fuck other people behind their commited lover's backs all the time and they don't know about it...

How could that POSSIBLY happen??? Fuck I don't know... use your imagination.... for crying out loud.

Hardly rediculous. Not even close.

Well, they whole lot of them gross me out. They should just hand the kid over to the grandma and all jump off a bridge somewhere.

 

[jh1]

Well, they whole lot of them gross me out. They should just hand the kid over to the grandma and all jump off a bridge somewhere.

Now we agree.